Re: [OSM-talk] Please do not re-use old node IDs

[Imre Samu]

Better test case is "node/1"  (
https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2015/12/25/openstreetmappy-christmas/ )
* https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1/history


2018-03-06 11:26 GMT+01:00 Frederik Ramm :

> Hi,
>
> we're all concerned about the environment these days. "Reduce, Reuse,
> Recycle" is certainly something to strive for in the real world out there.
>
> However, for the second time now I've encountered a user who thought it
> was a good idea to reclaim old node IDs for new edits. A couple of
> long-deleted TIGER nodes were raised from the dead, and put to use in
> mapping some new roads on the other side of the planet.
>
> This sounds like a funny/quirky thing to do, and looks harmless enough
> on the surface. But anyone who ever looks at the history of things
> *will* be totally confused. Nobody who works with historic data will
> expect that a U.S. bus stop could become a tree in Romania. People are
> bound to interpret this in any number of wrong ways. It also messes up
> my full history extracts, where you'll now find the occasional German
> hiking route in the California data extract because a node that used to
> be in California is now part of a path that belongs to the hiking route.
>
> Long story short, please don't do it - let the API assign you new node
> IDs to your stuff instead of building ingenious contraptions to recycle
> old nodes.
>
> Thanks
> Frederik
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Please do not re-use old node IDs

[James]

@Yves unfortunately would be hard to implement as reverting
reuses/undeletes the object if I'm not mistaken. So someone could just
undelete a node than move it to where they need to.

On Mar 6, 2018 5:47 AM, "Yves"  wrote:

> Hi Frederik,
> For my curiosity, is it a feature of the API to:
> _ allow users to choose an ID?
> _ not re-assign an old ID?
> Yves
>
> Le 6 mars 2018 11:26:55 GMT+01:00, Frederik Ramm  a
> écrit :
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> we're all concerned about the environment these days. "Reduce, Reuse,
>> Recycle" is certainly something to strive for in the real world out there.
>>
>> However, for the second time now I've encountered a user who thought it
>> was a good idea to reclaim old node IDs for new edits. A couple of
>> long-deleted TIGER nodes were raised from the dead, and put to use in
>> mapping some new roads on the other side of the planet.
>>
>> This sounds like a funny/quirky thing to do, and looks harmless enough
>> on the surface. But anyone who ever looks at the history of things
>> *will* be totally confused. Nobody who works with historic data will
>> expect that a U.S. bus stop could become a tree in Romania. People are
>> bound to interpret this in any number of wrong ways. It also messes up
>> my full history extracts, where you'll now find the occasional German
>> hiking route in the California data extract because a node that used to
>> be in California is now part of a path that belongs to the hiking route.
>>
>> Long story short, please don't do it - let the API assign you new node
>> IDs to your stuff instead of building ingenious contraptions to recycle
>> old nodes.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Frederik
>>
>>
> Yves
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Please do not re-use old node IDs

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2018-03-06 11:43 GMT+01:00 Yves :

> Hi Frederik,
> For my curiosity, is it a feature of the API to:
> _ allow users to choose an ID?
>



sure, you need this for any modification. Just upload a new version of a
deleted object and you resurrected it.

Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Please do not re-use old node IDs

[Lester Caine]

On 06/03/18 10:26, Frederik Ramm wrote:

Long story short, please don't do it - let the API assign you new node
IDs to your stuff instead of building ingenious contraptions to recycle
old nodes.


The reality is they are not 'old nodes' simply nodes which are not 
currently visible. I think I know the answer, but should the API be able 
to accept these ID's anyway? In an ideal world, the previous now hidden 
data should perhaps be flagged when the ID is used?


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Re: [OSM-talk] Please do not re-use old node IDs

[Yves]

Hi Frederik, 
For my curiosity, is it a feature of the API to:
_ allow users to choose an ID? 
_ not re-assign an old ID? 
Yves 

Le 6 mars 2018 11:26:55 GMT+01:00, Frederik Ramm  a écrit :
>Hi,
>
>we're all concerned about the environment these days. "Reduce, Reuse,
>Recycle" is certainly something to strive for in the real world out
>there.
>
>However, for the second time now I've encountered a user who thought it
>was a good idea to reclaim old node IDs for new edits. A couple of
>long-deleted TIGER nodes were raised from the dead, and put to use in
>mapping some new roads on the other side of the planet.
>
>This sounds like a funny/quirky thing to do, and looks harmless enough
>on the surface. But anyone who ever looks at the history of things
>*will* be totally confused. Nobody who works with historic data will
>expect that a U.S. bus stop could become a tree in Romania. People are
>bound to interpret this in any number of wrong ways. It also messes up
>my full history extracts, where you'll now find the occasional German
>hiking route in the California data extract because a node that used to
>be in California is now part of a path that belongs to the hiking
>route.
>
>Long story short, please don't do it - let the API assign you new node
>IDs to your stuff instead of building ingenious contraptions to recycle
>old nodes.
>
>Thanks
>Frederik
>
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[OSM-talk] Please do not re-use old node IDs

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

we're all concerned about the environment these days. "Reduce, Reuse,
Recycle" is certainly something to strive for in the real world out there.

However, for the second time now I've encountered a user who thought it
was a good idea to reclaim old node IDs for new edits. A couple of
long-deleted TIGER nodes were raised from the dead, and put to use in
mapping some new roads on the other side of the planet.

This sounds like a funny/quirky thing to do, and looks harmless enough
on the surface. But anyone who ever looks at the history of things
*will* be totally confused. Nobody who works with historic data will
expect that a U.S. bus stop could become a tree in Romania. People are
bound to interpret this in any number of wrong ways. It also messes up
my full history extracts, where you'll now find the occasional German
hiking route in the California data extract because a node that used to
be in California is now part of a path that belongs to the hiking route.

Long story short, please don't do it - let the API assign you new node
IDs to your stuff instead of building ingenious contraptions to recycle
old nodes.

Thanks
Frederik

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