Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Semi Mechanical Edit : "recycling:excrement"
It's documented on the German wiki:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Animal#Hundekot-T.C3.BCten-Spender
On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
> On that node I got tripped up because "vending"="excrement_bags" seems to
> be used with and without "amenity"="vending_machine"
> I followed tagging of nearby nodes in josm, but missed reading the wiki
> convention. Sorry.
>
> The overpass query to find other similar tags is:
> ["vending"="excrement_bags"]["amenity"!~"."] ({{bbox}});
>
> "vending_machine" though still seems a strange tag, as the dog waste
> dispensers are very often free, and vending is described as involving money
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dvending_machine
>
>
>
>
> This is another tag that, in part because there is no guidance from
> *osm-carto* rendering, is poorly standardized:
>
> 83 amenity dog_waste_bin 26 waste_basket dog_waste 25 amenity
> dog_waste_station 23 amenity dog_waste 11 amenity
> dog_waste_basket 11 waste dog_waste 8 amenity_1 dog_waste_bin 4
> name Dog waste station 3 type dog_waste 2 amenity
> dog_waste_bag_dispencer 2 description Dog waste bin 2 name Dog
> waste bin 1 ref Dog Waste Bin 1 amenity Dog waste bag dispenser
> 1 amenity dog waste bin 1 amenity dog_waste_bags 1 type dog
> waste 1 name Dog Waste Bags
> 7 866 vending excrement_bags 154 waste dog_excrement 81 waste
> excrement 21 type excrement_bags 6 name excrement bags 6 name
> excrement_bags 6 waste trash;dog_excrement 2 amenity
> dog_excrement 2 type dog_excrement_bags 2 waste
> excrement;grey_water 1 type dog_excrement 1 description Dog
> excrement hot spot 1 note Integriert: "amenity=waste_basket +
> waste=dog_excrement" 1 note Integriert: . basiert auf ungenauer
> gps-Messung 1 waste_basket excrement_bags 1 waste
> dog_excrement;litter 1 product excrement_bag
> 9 source captainslash.com/nan-two-go-sliding-in-the-wet-red-shit/ 2
> type dog_shit 1 amenity dog_shit_box
> 8 293 waste_basket 1 037 waste_basket:excrement_bags 6
> waste_basket:type:nl 1 basket:excrement_bags 9
> dogshit
> note
> dog poop
> 55
> recycling:excrement 99
> disused:recycling:excrement
> 1 037 waste_basket:excrement_bags 34 excrement_bags 9 bags 1
> Bagshaw 1 basket:excrement_bags
> Rather than hoping mappers come by to fix them one at a time, this seems
> like a good candidate for a mechanical edit.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Semi Mechanical Edit : "recycling:excrement"
> Am 17.04.2015 um 21:02 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt : > > "vending_machine" though still seems a strange tag, as the dog waste > dispensers are very often free, and vending is described as involving money +1, it is mistagging, already noticed in the past but people didn't care at the time... Cheers Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Semi Mechanical Edit : "recycling:excrement"
On that node I got tripped up because "vending"="excrement_bags" seems to
be used with and without "amenity"="vending_machine"
I followed tagging of nearby nodes in josm, but missed reading the wiki
convention. Sorry.
The overpass query to find other similar tags is:
["vending"="excrement_bags"]["amenity"!~"."] ({{bbox}});
"vending_machine" though still seems a strange tag, as the dog waste
dispensers are very often free, and vending is described as involving money
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dvending_machine
This is another tag that, in part because there is no guidance from
*osm-carto* rendering, is poorly standardized:
83 amenity dog_waste_bin 26 waste_basket dog_waste 25 amenity
dog_waste_station 23 amenity dog_waste 11 amenity dog_waste_basket
11 waste dog_waste 8 amenity_1 dog_waste_bin 4 name Dog waste
station 3 type dog_waste 2 amenity dog_waste_bag_dispencer 2
description Dog waste bin 2 name Dog waste bin 1 ref Dog Waste Bin
1 amenity Dog waste bag dispenser 1 amenity dog waste bin 1
amenity dog_waste_bags 1 type dog waste 1 name Dog Waste Bags
7 866 vending excrement_bags 154 waste dog_excrement 81 waste
excrement 21 type excrement_bags 6 name excrement bags 6 name
excrement_bags 6 waste trash;dog_excrement 2 amenity dog_excrement
2 type dog_excrement_bags 2 waste excrement;grey_water 1 type
dog_excrement 1 description Dog excrement hot spot 1 note
Integriert: "amenity=waste_basket + waste=dog_excrement" 1 note
Integriert: . basiert auf ungenauer gps-Messung 1 waste_basket
excrement_bags 1 waste dog_excrement;litter 1 product excrement_bag
9 source captainslash.com/nan-two-go-sliding-in-the-wet-red-shit/ 2
type dog_shit 1 amenity dog_shit_box
8 293 waste_basket 1 037 waste_basket:excrement_bags 6
waste_basket:type:nl 1 basket:excrement_bags 9
dogshit
note
dog poop
55
recycling:excrement 99
disused:recycling:excrement
1 037 waste_basket:excrement_bags 34 excrement_bags 9 bags 1
Bagshaw 1 basket:excrement_bags
Rather than hoping mappers come by to fix them one at a time, this seems
like a good candidate for a mechanical edit.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Semi Mechanical Edit : "recycling:excrement"
On 17/04/2015 02:05, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 04/17/2015 02:10 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: I propose to use context to determine the meaning, and retag according to current conventions. For example "recycling:excrement" at a marina dock will be assume as a marine sewage pumpout station. The same tag in a city park will be a dog waste bin. Usually it's quite clear. Someone on talk-de has complained that you have deleted information in your recent marine sewage not-really-mechanical-but-still-large-scale-use-context-to-determine-meaning-without-having-first-hand-knowledge edit. One that I was unsure about was the loss of the amenity tag on http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3360668597/history#map=19/53.44159/-0.84441 in http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/29963851 (see changeset discussion there). When tagging that I was copying and pasting from the wiki at the time (the item concerned is what Germans would call a "Robidog" I think - they're rare in my bit of the UK although dog waste bins aren't. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Semi Mechanical Edit : "recycling:excrement"
Hi, On 04/17/2015 02:10 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > I propose to use context to determine the meaning, and retag according > to current conventions. For example "recycling:excrement" at a marina > dock will be assume as a marine sewage pumpout station. The same tag in > a city park will be a dog waste bin. Usually it's quite clear. Someone on talk-de has complained that you have deleted information in your recent marine sewage not-really-mechanical-but-still-large-scale-use-context-to-determine-meaning-without-having-first-hand-knowledge edit. I'm not sure what exactly the problem was or if they had a point, I'll ask them to comment on your changeset directly. *If* there is an issue there maybe it should be resolved before continuing. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Semi Mechanical Edit : "recycling:excrement"
Good idea, I support this proposal. -- Matthijs On 17 Apr 2015 02:14, "Bryce Nesbitt" wrote: > See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Bryce_C_Nesbitt > > The tag "recycling:excrement" is used 55 times, and has at least four > distinct meanings. > I propose to use context to determine the meaning, and retag according to > current conventions. For example "recycling:excrement" at a marina dock > will be assume as a marine sewage pumpout station. The same tag in a city > park will be a dog waste bin. Usually it's quite clear. > > This is not a true mechanical edit per > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct > as I will examine each node by hand, and exit by hand. Regardless, I am > writing to solicit comments or concerns. I will not visit the locations, > but may reference official websites. > > Given the state of the tag, I expect zero data consumer impact. > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Semi Mechanical Edit : "recycling:excrement"
The proposal also includes amending the wiki, including pages such as: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Segler ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Proposed Semi Mechanical Edit : "recycling:excrement"
See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Bryce_C_Nesbitt The tag "recycling:excrement" is used 55 times, and has at least four distinct meanings. I propose to use context to determine the meaning, and retag according to current conventions. For example "recycling:excrement" at a marina dock will be assume as a marine sewage pumpout station. The same tag in a city park will be a dog waste bin. Usually it's quite clear. This is not a true mechanical edit per http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct as I will examine each node by hand, and exit by hand. Regardless, I am writing to solicit comments or concerns. I will not visit the locations, but may reference official websites. Given the state of the tag, I expect zero data consumer impact. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
