[OSM-talk] Relations Proposals for boundary, country and is_in

2008-06-11 Thread Raphael Studer
Hi,

I've founde three relation proposals with nearly the seam aims.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relations/Proposed/Boundaries
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relations/Proposed/Country
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relations/Proposed/Is_In

I've also seen relations with type=nation meaning nearly the same as country.

What's about having only two of them:

_Boundaries_
Relation:
 * type=boundary
 * name=?
 * admin_level=?
Members:
 * way or relation with role border.

_Territory (you may choose a better word that for)_
Relation:
 * type=relam
 * name[:de|:en|:it|:fr]=?
 * level=[country|state|county|district]
 * population, language, founded 
Members:
 * territoy-relation with role is_in
 * boundary-relation with role border
 * node with role capital

What do you think of this?

Regards
Raphael

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Re: [OSM-talk] Relations Proposals for boundary, country and is_in

2008-06-18 Thread Knut Arne Bjørndal
"Raphael Studer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I've founde three relation proposals with nearly the seam aims.
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relations/Proposed/Boundaries
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relations/Proposed/Country
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relations/Proposed/Is_In
>
> I've also seen relations with type=nation meaning nearly the same as country.
>
> What's about having only two of them:

I was thinking along these lines when I wrote the Country proposal,
please remove it as an obsolete suggestion and suggest this instead as
it looks much cleaner to me.

Btw: is there a clear procedure on how we make relation usages
standard?

-- 
Knut Arne Bjørndal
aka Bob Kåre
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Re: [OSM-talk] Relations Proposals for boundary, country and is_in

2008-06-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi,

> Btw: is there a clear procedure on how we make relation usages
> standard?

I believe the route relation has become standard by being used, and I'd 
suggest the same for others ;-)

Bye
Frederik


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Re: [OSM-talk] Relations Proposals for boundary, country and is_in

2008-06-19 Thread Stefan Baebler
Knut Arne Bjørndal wrote:
> "Raphael Studer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I've founde three relation proposals with nearly the seam aims.
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relations/Proposed/Boundaries
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relations/Proposed/Country
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relations/Proposed/Is_In
>>
>> I've also seen relations with type=nation meaning nearly the same as country.
Seeing some use of undocumented nation relation I beg to differ.
nation is not a country.

Countries are administratively (or by force) defined geographical 
entities. Countries generally don't overlap, have precise (although 
sometimes disputed) borders, can have exclaves, enclaves...can be mapped 
precisely
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country

Nation are people with common culture. Nations can overlap, can have 
minorities in other countries, borders between nations are generally 
blurring with globalisation...can be mapped only vaguely.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation

Sure, some countries might represent a nation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation-state
but this certainly cannot be applied globally.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State#Usage

So, I'm voting for country relation by using it in our parts of the wood. :)

Stefan

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