Re: [OSM-talk] Remove Wikidata parameter from Infobox on wiki (ValueDescription, KeyDescription boxes)
I have removed the wikidata parameter from the Description template and it's related documentation page. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Remove Wikidata parameter from Infobox on wiki (ValueDescription, KeyDescription boxes)
May 3, 2020, 18:10 by joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com: > I propose removing the "wikidata=" parameter from the descriptions of keys > and tags on the OpenStreetMap wiki. See discussion: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template_talk:ValueDescription#Wikidata > Yes, infobox is for the summary of the most important information. Wikidata link maybe can be useful in some extremely rare cases, but none is typical for people using OSM Wiki. It is certainly not deserving to be displayed there. And now, with Data items this data can be added there, so not displaying it in the infoxbox does not mean that data loss would happen. I fully support not showing this kind of links in our infoboxes. > I've also noted that often the links are wrong, because a tag like "craft=*" > is not the same as the wikidata definition of "crafts". You would need to > link to several wikidata concepts to describe one OpenStreetMap tag in that > case. > Yeah, links are weird mix of "Wikidata data items about OSM tag" (that has 0 added value), "sort of related data item but not actually matching OSM tag" (misleading) and some "matches OSM tag but there are crucial differences" (misleading anyway) and rare cases where context exactly matches (but added value is minimal if any). ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Remove Wikidata parameter from Infobox on wiki (ValueDescription, KeyDescription boxes)
sent from a phone > On 3. May 2020, at 19:24, Andrew Hain wrote: > > there are also links to artificial Wikidata items such as Q57977870 highway > key in OpenStreetMap to consider. IMHO these are the least questionable kind, if all wikidata links from OpenStreetMap tags would be pointing to wikidata items for these specific OpenStreetMap tags, they might be less contested ;-) Cheers Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Remove Wikidata parameter from Infobox on wiki (ValueDescription, KeyDescription boxes)
See https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions/Archive/2018/10/16#Q29637965 for another artificial item. -- Andrew From: Andrew Hain Sent: 03 May 2020 18:22 To: Joseph Eisenberg ; osm Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Remove Wikidata parameter from Infobox on wiki (ValueDescription, KeyDescription boxes) Getting rid of the search link is definitely a good idea, there are also links to artificial Wikidata items such as Q57977870 highway key in OpenStreetMap to consider. -- Andrew From: Joseph Eisenberg Sent: 03 May 2020 17:10 To: osm Subject: [OSM-talk] Remove Wikidata parameter from Infobox on wiki (ValueDescription, KeyDescription boxes) I propose removing the "wikidata=" parameter from the descriptions of keys and tags on the OpenStreetMap wiki. See discussion: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template_talk:ValueDescription#Wikidata "While it is sometimes possible to state that all OSM elements with that tag are an instance of some Wikidata item, it is not possible in other situations. For example, roads with bridge=yes crossing a man_made=bridge are not instances of "bridge". Furthermore, a lot of OSM tags don't represent an instance relationship with some class of objects at all, but are properties instead. So I doubt that mapping Wikidata onto OSM tags in that manner is feasible. --Tordanik 21:47, 1 September 2014 (UTC)" "I don't think the "Wikidata" link adds anything useful for OSM mappers and I would be in favour of dropping it. Also, if there is no Wikidata link set, then currently the template displays a "search in Wikidata..." link which gives the whole "linked data" religion unnecessary prominence. The template has many optional parameters, and "wikidata" is the only parameter where, when it is missing, Wiki users are nudged in the direction of researching and adding it. This makes it look as if adding the "wikidata" parameter was a more valuable use of an editor's time than completing other missing bits of information. This is a value judgement that I oppose. --Frederik Ramm 16:02, 8 November 2018 (UTC)" "Now we have our own Wikibase there’s another problem. The Wikidata link has a database link (Q number) that is different from the Q number in our own Wikibase instance. The WMF developers were very un-keen on Yuri’s suggestion of us using a different prefix letter to distinguish the two. Getting rid of the Wikidata parameter would solve this.--Andrew (talk) 06:26, 9 November 2018 (UTC)" I've also noted that often the links are wrong, because a tag like "craft=*" is not the same as the wikidata definition of "crafts". You would need to link to several wikidata concepts to describe one OpenStreetMap tag in that case. -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Remove Wikidata parameter from Infobox on wiki (ValueDescription, KeyDescription boxes)
Getting rid of the search link is definitely a good idea, there are also links to artificial Wikidata items such as Q57977870 highway key in OpenStreetMap to consider. -- Andrew From: Joseph Eisenberg Sent: 03 May 2020 17:10 To: osm Subject: [OSM-talk] Remove Wikidata parameter from Infobox on wiki (ValueDescription, KeyDescription boxes) I propose removing the "wikidata=" parameter from the descriptions of keys and tags on the OpenStreetMap wiki. See discussion: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template_talk:ValueDescription#Wikidata "While it is sometimes possible to state that all OSM elements with that tag are an instance of some Wikidata item, it is not possible in other situations. For example, roads with bridge=yes crossing a man_made=bridge are not instances of "bridge". Furthermore, a lot of OSM tags don't represent an instance relationship with some class of objects at all, but are properties instead. So I doubt that mapping Wikidata onto OSM tags in that manner is feasible. --Tordanik 21:47, 1 September 2014 (UTC)" "I don't think the "Wikidata" link adds anything useful for OSM mappers and I would be in favour of dropping it. Also, if there is no Wikidata link set, then currently the template displays a "search in Wikidata..." link which gives the whole "linked data" religion unnecessary prominence. The template has many optional parameters, and "wikidata" is the only parameter where, when it is missing, Wiki users are nudged in the direction of researching and adding it. This makes it look as if adding the "wikidata" parameter was a more valuable use of an editor's time than completing other missing bits of information. This is a value judgement that I oppose. --Frederik Ramm 16:02, 8 November 2018 (UTC)" "Now we have our own Wikibase there’s another problem. The Wikidata link has a database link (Q number) that is different from the Q number in our own Wikibase instance. The WMF developers were very un-keen on Yuri’s suggestion of us using a different prefix letter to distinguish the two. Getting rid of the Wikidata parameter would solve this.--Andrew (talk) 06:26, 9 November 2018 (UTC)" I've also noted that often the links are wrong, because a tag like "craft=*" is not the same as the wikidata definition of "crafts". You would need to link to several wikidata concepts to describe one OpenStreetMap tag in that case. -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Remove Wikidata parameter from Infobox on wiki (ValueDescription, KeyDescription boxes)
I propose removing the "wikidata=" parameter from the descriptions of keys and tags on the OpenStreetMap wiki. See discussion: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template_talk:ValueDescription#Wikidata "While it is sometimes possible to state that all OSM elements with that tag are an instance of some Wikidata item, it is not possible in other situations. For example, roads with bridge=yes crossing a man_made=bridge are not instances of "bridge". Furthermore, a lot of OSM tags don't represent an instance relationship with some class of objects at all, but are properties instead. So I doubt that mapping Wikidata onto OSM tags in that manner is feasible. --Tordanik 21:47, 1 September 2014 (UTC)" "I don't think the "Wikidata" link adds anything useful for OSM mappers and I would be in favour of dropping it. Also, if there is no Wikidata link set, then currently the template displays a "search in Wikidata..." link which gives the whole "linked data" religion unnecessary prominence. The template has many optional parameters, and "wikidata" is the only parameter where, when it is missing, Wiki users are nudged in the direction of researching and adding it. This makes it look as if adding the "wikidata" parameter was a more valuable use of an editor's time than completing other missing bits of information. This is a value judgement that I oppose. --Frederik Ramm 16:02, 8 November 2018 (UTC)" "Now we have our own Wikibase there’s another problem. The Wikidata link has a database link (Q number) that is different from the Q number in our own Wikibase instance. The WMF developers were very un-keen on Yuri’s suggestion of us using a different prefix letter to distinguish the two. Getting rid of the Wikidata parameter would solve this.--Andrew (talk) 06:26, 9 November 2018 (UTC)" I've also noted that often the links are wrong, because a tag like "craft=*" is not the same as the wikidata definition of "crafts". You would need to link to several wikidata concepts to describe one OpenStreetMap tag in that case. -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
