Re: [OSM-talk] Split into "map" and "data" projects, was: Re: Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of thecurrent maps
On 7/29/08, Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] OSM _is_ expressly here to encourage an ecosystem. It's here to > collect the data and then get people to do funky things with it. Speaking as a relatively new contributor to the project, I think this is absolutely fundamental. I don't think the "collect data" and "do funky things" schools should see themselves as in conflict. The best way to gather a very extensive dataset is to get more and more people to contribute. The best way to get people in is to create a good first impression, make it easy to contribute and reflect that contribution as quickly as possible. To me this means that we should be continually striving to improve the useability of the main map as suggested by Inge and supporting / incorporating new renderings and applications using OSM resources. Some people may have the ability and access to resources to set up alternative servers etc... but it should also be possible to do this within the main site, with the approval of the community. Oliver ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Split into "map" and "data" projects, was: Re: Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of thecurrent maps
Henry Loenwind wrote: > That sums it up rather nicely. OSM is only about collecting data, people > that are interested in using the data are not really welcome very much. Nonono. And here's another difference between OSM and Wikipedia. OSM _is_ expressly here to encourage an ecosystem. It's here to collect the data and then get people to do funky things with it. We're not like Wikipedia where the uses are all self-contained, little subsections of wikipedia.org - WikiProject this and WikiProject that. Rather, we want people to go off and develop "creative, productive or unexpected ways", while continuing to interact with the OSM community - and that's exactly what's happening. So when you say: > So I propose to start a new project, that is about using OSM data only. ...feel free, just as dozens of other people are doing: but that needn't affect what's happening on the main site. If it's great it'll feed back into osm.org, just as was true for Mapnik and the cycle map (for example), and I'm sure will be true of, say, routing before too long. cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Split into "map" and "data" projects, was: Re: Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of thecurrent maps
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Henry Loenwind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Someone wrote: >> let's keep >> the focus on filling up the database > >> I'll give 100% support to the 20%, the 80% should wait some more or >> better still try to do some mapping, somewhere, anywhere! > > That sums it up rather nicely. OSM is only about collecting data, people > that are interested in using the data are not really welcome very much. I wouldn't say that was true. Just that what few project resources there are should be concentrated on helping collection and distribution of the data rather than creating and running those end uses. > > So I propose to start a new project, that is about using OSM data only. > Transfer the current renderers and maps to the new project, and maybe it > would be possible there to et up a server farm, so people interested in > different rendering styles can concentrate on the rendering styles and > not on the problem of serving them. > > Anyone interested? That new project would first need people that have > time to organize it (I really don't have), and people to raise or > provide funding. > That's not so much a project as a service. And a fairly pricey one too. You'll need quite a lot of hardware at your disposal and a silly amount of bandwidth if you get remotely popular. Cyclemap bandwidth is in the order of hundreds of gigabytes already, and rising fast. You're talking on-demand which means you'll need access to a lot of CPUs. Dave ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Split into "map" and "data" projects
On 29/07/2008 09:21, Tom Chance wrote: > What a lot of effort! Why bother? I agree. In fact more than that, I think it would be damaging. For most people, the idea of "abstract" mapping data is a hard concept to grasp. The map renderings (in practice Mapnik, as I doubt most non-participants ever touch the layers menu) make the project concrete. Without this, I think OSM becomes largely invisible. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Split into "map" and "data" projects
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from host-82-44-126-103.static.telewest.net [82.44.126.103] with HTTP/1.1 (POST); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:21:02 +0100 User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1-rc1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:17:47 +0200, Henry Loenwind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That sums it up rather nicely. OSM is only about collecting data, people > that are interested in using the data are not really welcome very much. > > So I propose to start a new project, that is about using OSM data only. > Transfer the current renderers and maps to the new project, and maybe it > would be possible there to et up a server farm, so people interested in > different rendering styles can concentrate on the rendering styles and > not on the problem of serving them. > > Anyone interested? That new project would first need people that have > time to organize it (I really don't have), and people to raise or > provide funding. What a lot of effort! Why bother? I don't understand why we can't just establish a few wiki pages and a new mailing list for people interested in end-uses of data. Make a few clear splits in wikis, lists, the front page etc. for people interested in gathering and using data. There's definitely a need for more collaboration and code-sharing on the OpenLayers/stylesheet front, it's all a bit of a confusing mess at the moment. I'd be happy to get stuck into both discussions, having mapped large chunks of Reading, St Albans, Peckham and Sutton... and having set-up a map based on OSM data (http://map.oneplanetsutton.org). Kind regards, Tom ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Split into "map" and "data" projects, was: Re: Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of thecurrent maps
Someone wrote: > let's keep > the focus on filling up the database > I'll give 100% support to the 20%, the 80% should wait some more or > better still try to do some mapping, somewhere, anywhere! That sums it up rather nicely. OSM is only about collecting data, people that are interested in using the data are not really welcome very much. So I propose to start a new project, that is about using OSM data only. Transfer the current renderers and maps to the new project, and maybe it would be possible there to et up a server farm, so people interested in different rendering styles can concentrate on the rendering styles and not on the problem of serving them. Anyone interested? That new project would first need people that have time to organize it (I really don't have), and people to raise or provide funding. cu Henry ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
