Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")
--- On Wed, 29/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Well, I would tag them completely differently. It is a > different kind > of object, it is not a Motel where you just pay according > to a > different fee system / business modell. There is a tag for brothel in the system already ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")
Here is the propose page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Love_Hotel Cheers, 2009/7/29 Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) > On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:17:59 +0200, Ulf Lamping > > wrote: > > Joseph Scanlan schrieb: > >> On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> > >>> Well, I would tag them completely differently. It is a different kind > >>> of object, it is not a Motel where you just pay according to a > >>> different fee system / business modell. > >> > >> Around here I would not use a separate tag. No-Tell Motels must show a > >> little discretion. Hourly rate is a pretty clear hint as to what people > > >> are doing there (not sleeping) but it still looks like a motel on the > >> outside. > >> > >> Places that are more open could very well have businesses that deserve a > > >> special tag. For example, I wouldn't tag any business in Clark County > >> as a brothel, the brothels look like other businesses and the > >> prostitutes will go somewhere else when the location draws too much > >> attention from law enforcement. In other Nevada counties, were > >> prostitution is legal, a brothel tag makes sense. These are clearly > >> labeled, well established businesses. > >> > >> Just my point of view from a rather atypical city in the US desert south > > >> west. > >> > > > > You seem to think about an "inofficial brothel", as prostitution is > > illegal in some parts of nevada. > > > > IIRC the brazilian "love hotels" are often used by "regular couples" (so > > probably no "business" involved). Because the couple still lives at > > their parents, not married, or whatever. IIRC, this kind of "motel" is > > also known in japan. > > > > > > Yes, I guess it makes sense to tag them special, as a normal traveller > > probably wouldn't want to stay there. > > > > As we already have amenity=brothel, why not use amenity=love_hotel for > > this? > > > I think in most cases they can be tagged as normal motels, most of them > also offer day-rates or even week-rates in addition to hour-rates, most of > them have a few or more "Adult" tv-channels, but so do many hotels. The > only difference is that some of them have a 18year limit for guests (no > minores under 18 can stay). The kind of rates a motel (or hotel for that > matter) should be possible to tag, I do not think the entertainment package > is of interest to the map, age limits might be tagged as some sort of > restriction. I also know that there are "normal" hotels that have some > restrictions, such as no infants, unmarried couples cannot share room, no > alcoholic beverage, etc. > > IMO, a brazilian love hotel should be tagged motel, with additional tags > if needed. > > Me and my wife use such love hotels at times to get a night from the kids, > so there are several usages. > > When travelling in Brazil, usually Pousada is a good and cheap place to > stay, taking the role of motels in Europe, though most pousadas don't > accept visitors after a certain hour (without prior > notification/reservation) while the motels accepts visitors at any hour. > -- > Brgds > Aun Johnsen > via Webmail > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Arlindo Saraiva Pereira Jr. Bacharelando em Sistemas de Informação - UNIRIO - uniriotec.br Consultor de Software Livre da Uniriotec Consultoria - uniriotec.com Acadêmico: arlindo.pere...@uniriotec.br Profissional: arlindo.pere...@uniriotec.com Geral: cont...@arlindopereira.com Tel.: +5521 92504072 Jabber/Google Talk: nig...@nighto.net Skype: nighto_sumomo Chave pública: BD065DEC ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:17:59 +0200, Ulf Lamping wrote: > Joseph Scanlan schrieb: >> On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> >>> Well, I would tag them completely differently. It is a different kind >>> of object, it is not a Motel where you just pay according to a >>> different fee system / business modell. >> >> Around here I would not use a separate tag. No-Tell Motels must show a >> little discretion. Hourly rate is a pretty clear hint as to what people >> are doing there (not sleeping) but it still looks like a motel on the >> outside. >> >> Places that are more open could very well have businesses that deserve a >> special tag. For example, I wouldn't tag any business in Clark County >> as a brothel, the brothels look like other businesses and the >> prostitutes will go somewhere else when the location draws too much >> attention from law enforcement. In other Nevada counties, were >> prostitution is legal, a brothel tag makes sense. These are clearly >> labeled, well established businesses. >> >> Just my point of view from a rather atypical city in the US desert south >> west. >> > > You seem to think about an "inofficial brothel", as prostitution is > illegal in some parts of nevada. > > IIRC the brazilian "love hotels" are often used by "regular couples" (so > probably no "business" involved). Because the couple still lives at > their parents, not married, or whatever. IIRC, this kind of "motel" is > also known in japan. > > > Yes, I guess it makes sense to tag them special, as a normal traveller > probably wouldn't want to stay there. > > As we already have amenity=brothel, why not use amenity=love_hotel for > this? > I think in most cases they can be tagged as normal motels, most of them also offer day-rates or even week-rates in addition to hour-rates, most of them have a few or more "Adult" tv-channels, but so do many hotels. The only difference is that some of them have a 18year limit for guests (no minores under 18 can stay). The kind of rates a motel (or hotel for that matter) should be possible to tag, I do not think the entertainment package is of interest to the map, age limits might be tagged as some sort of restriction. I also know that there are "normal" hotels that have some restrictions, such as no infants, unmarried couples cannot share room, no alcoholic beverage, etc. IMO, a brazilian love hotel should be tagged motel, with additional tags if needed. Me and my wife use such love hotels at times to get a night from the kids, so there are several usages. When travelling in Brazil, usually Pousada is a good and cheap place to stay, taking the role of motels in Europe, though most pousadas don't accept visitors after a certain hour (without prior notification/reservation) while the motels accepts visitors at any hour. -- Brgds Aun Johnsen via Webmail ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")
Yes, that's right, usually regular couples go there. Should I propose a new tag? Cheers, 2009/7/29 Ulf Lamping > Joseph Scanlan schrieb: > > On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > >> Well, I would tag them completely differently. It is a different kind > >> of object, it is not a Motel where you just pay according to a > >> different fee system / business modell. > > > > Around here I would not use a separate tag. No-Tell Motels must show a > > little discretion. Hourly rate is a pretty clear hint as to what people > > are doing there (not sleeping) but it still looks like a motel on the > > outside. > > > > Places that are more open could very well have businesses that deserve a > > special tag. For example, I wouldn't tag any business in Clark County > > as a brothel, the brothels look like other businesses and the > > prostitutes will go somewhere else when the location draws too much > > attention from law enforcement. In other Nevada counties, were > > prostitution is legal, a brothel tag makes sense. These are clearly > > labeled, well established businesses. > > > > Just my point of view from a rather atypical city in the US desert south > > west. > > > > You seem to think about an "inofficial brothel", as prostitution is > illegal in some parts of nevada. > > IIRC the brazilian "love hotels" are often used by "regular couples" (so > probably no "business" involved). Because the couple still lives at > their parents, not married, or whatever. IIRC, this kind of "motel" is > also known in japan. > Yes, I guess it makes sense to tag them special, as a normal traveller > probably wouldn't want to stay there. > > As we already have amenity=brothel, why not use amenity=love_hotel for > this? > > Regards, ULFL > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Arlindo Saraiva Pereira Jr. Bacharelando em Sistemas de Informação - UNIRIO - uniriotec.br Consultor de Software Livre da Uniriotec Consultoria - uniriotec.com Acadêmico: arlindo.pere...@uniriotec.br Profissional: arlindo.pere...@uniriotec.com Geral: cont...@arlindopereira.com Tel.: +5521 92504072 Jabber/Google Talk: nig...@nighto.net Skype: nighto_sumomo Chave pública: BD065DEC ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Ulf Lamping wrote: > You seem to think about an "inofficial brothel", as prostitution is illegal > in some parts of nevada. Sorry I wasn't clear. I understand the love motel isn't a brothel. My point is that in places that disapprove (officially or not) some business look a lot like other businesses (and may even offer "normal" services to some clients). Should there be a love motel tag? IMHO, yes. Would I use the tag to describe a motel around here? No. One probably could rent a room for the night, alone, to sleep (but the clerk might try to direct the guest to some place more appropriate). So... after all that, I probably haven't helped the original poster at all. (But I am enjoying the thread!) -- - Joseph Scanlan +1-702-455-3679 http://www.n7xsd.us/ j...@co.clark.nv.us (work) (not work) n7...@arrl.net - So he went inside there to take on what he found. But he never escaped them, for who can escape what he desires? --Tony Banks of Genesis in "The Lady Lies" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")
Joseph Scanlan schrieb: > On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> Well, I would tag them completely differently. It is a different kind >> of object, it is not a Motel where you just pay according to a >> different fee system / business modell. > > Around here I would not use a separate tag. No-Tell Motels must show a > little discretion. Hourly rate is a pretty clear hint as to what people > are doing there (not sleeping) but it still looks like a motel on the > outside. > > Places that are more open could very well have businesses that deserve a > special tag. For example, I wouldn't tag any business in Clark County > as a brothel, the brothels look like other businesses and the > prostitutes will go somewhere else when the location draws too much > attention from law enforcement. In other Nevada counties, were > prostitution is legal, a brothel tag makes sense. These are clearly > labeled, well established businesses. > > Just my point of view from a rather atypical city in the US desert south > west. > You seem to think about an "inofficial brothel", as prostitution is illegal in some parts of nevada. IIRC the brazilian "love hotels" are often used by "regular couples" (so probably no "business" involved). Because the couple still lives at their parents, not married, or whatever. IIRC, this kind of "motel" is also known in japan. Yes, I guess it makes sense to tag them special, as a normal traveller probably wouldn't want to stay there. As we already have amenity=brothel, why not use amenity=love_hotel for this? Regards, ULFL ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Well, I would tag them completely differently. It is a different kind > of object, it is not a Motel where you just pay according to a > different fee system / business modell. Around here I would not use a separate tag. No-Tell Motels must show a little discretion. Hourly rate is a pretty clear hint as to what people are doing there (not sleeping) but it still looks like a motel on the outside. Places that are more open could very well have businesses that deserve a special tag. For example, I wouldn't tag any business in Clark County as a brothel, the brothels look like other businesses and the prostitutes will go somewhere else when the location draws too much attention from law enforcement. In other Nevada counties, were prostitution is legal, a brothel tag makes sense. These are clearly labeled, well established businesses. Just my point of view from a rather atypical city in the US desert south west. -- - Joseph Scanlan +1-702-455-3679 http://www.n7xsd.us/ j...@co.clark.nv.us (work) (not work) n7...@arrl.net - So he went inside there to take on what he found. But he never escaped them, for who can escape what he desires? --Tony Banks of Genesis in "The Lady Lies" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")
That's the point. Shouldn't we use another tag to map these kind of hotels? I imagine a search tool for each type of hotels, without having to guess about the period or the movies :P 2009/7/29 Joseph Scanlan > Perhaps an additional tag to show stay duration. > >stay=hourly;daily;weekly;monthly > > Use any that apply. (There's probably a better tag to use than 'stay'.) > > We used to have a motel in town that featured "Free XXX Adult Movies" on > their Marque (just in case hourly rates weren't a big enough hint). > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/89004...@n00/773484486/ > > http://www.roadsidepeek.com/roadusa/southwest/nevada/vegas/lvmotel/lvstripmotel/index2.htm > > -- > - > Joseph Scanlan > +1-702-455-3679 http://www.n7xsd.us/ > j...@co.clark.nv.us (work) (not work) n7...@arrl.net > - > > So he went inside there to take on what he found. > But he never escaped them, for who can escape what he desires? > --Tony Banks of Genesis > in "The Lady Lies" > -- Arlindo Saraiva Pereira Jr. Bacharelando em Sistemas de Informação - UNIRIO - uniriotec.br Consultor de Software Livre da Uniriotec Consultoria - uniriotec.com Acadêmico: arlindo.pere...@uniriotec.br Profissional: arlindo.pere...@uniriotec.com Geral: cont...@arlindopereira.com Tel.: +5521 92504072 Jabber/Google Talk: nig...@nighto.net Skype: nighto_sumomo Chave pública: BD065DEC ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")
2009/7/29 Joseph Scanlan : > Perhaps an additional tag to show stay duration. > > stay=hourly;daily;weekly;monthly > > Use any that apply. (There's probably a better tag to use than 'stay'.) > > We used to have a motel in town that featured "Free XXX Adult Movies" on > their Marque (just in case hourly rates weren't a big enough hint). > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/89004...@n00/773484486/ > > http://www.roadsidepeek.com/roadusa/southwest/nevada/vegas/lvmotel/lvstripmotel/index2.htm Well, I would tag them completely differently. It is a different kind of object, it is not a Motel where you just pay according to a different fee system / business modell. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")
Perhaps an additional tag to show stay duration. stay=hourly;daily;weekly;monthly Use any that apply. (There's probably a better tag to use than 'stay'.) We used to have a motel in town that featured "Free XXX Adult Movies" on their Marque (just in case hourly rates weren't a big enough hint). http://www.flickr.com/photos/89004...@n00/773484486/ http://www.roadsidepeek.com/roadusa/southwest/nevada/vegas/lvmotel/lvstripmotel/index2.htm -- - Joseph Scanlan +1-702-455-3679 http://www.n7xsd.us/ j...@co.clark.nv.us (work) (not work) n7...@arrl.net - So he went inside there to take on what he found. But he never escaped them, for who can escape what he desires? --Tony Banks of Genesis in "The Lady Lies" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")
Always on short time basis (1-4h) and always with the "love" factor...
perhaps the portuguese Wikipedia article translated to english [2] would
help on clarifying that.
2:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=pt-BR&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpt.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMotel
Cheers,
2009/7/29 Martin Koppenhoefer
> 2009/7/29 Arlindo Pereira :
> > Hi there,
> >
> > here in Brazil, and in most of Latin America as I can see on Wikipedia
> [1],
> > so-called "motels" are short-time hotels or "love hotels", differing from
> > the original concept in english (hotel for drivers). Do you think that we
> > should tag them differently (such as amenity=lovehotel or whatever,
> > tourism=lovehotel doesn't seems to fit) or keep it tourism=motel?
> >
> > It's a thin line, because some love hotels ("motels" here) call
> themselves
> > "hotels" but everyone (the locals) knows that they are, in fact, love
> > hotels.
> >
> > 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motel#Short-time
>
> do you pay them on a short time basis or could you stay there the
> whole night for the same price? If it's the first, I would tag them
> differently, otherwise I think they could be tagged like normal
> motels.
>
> cheers,
> Martin
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")
2009/7/29 Arlindo Pereira :
> Hi there,
>
> here in Brazil, and in most of Latin America as I can see on Wikipedia [1],
> so-called "motels" are short-time hotels or "love hotels", differing from
> the original concept in english (hotel for drivers). Do you think that we
> should tag them differently (such as amenity=lovehotel or whatever,
> tourism=lovehotel doesn't seems to fit) or keep it tourism=motel?
>
> It's a thin line, because some love hotels ("motels" here) call themselves
> "hotels" but everyone (the locals) knows that they are, in fact, love
> hotels.
>
> 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motel#Short-time
do you pay them on a short time basis or could you stay there the
whole night for the same price? If it's the first, I would tag them
differently, otherwise I think they could be tagged like normal
motels.
cheers,
Martin
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[OSM-talk] Tagging Love Hotels ("Brazilian Motels")
Hi there,
here in Brazil, and in most of Latin America as I can see on Wikipedia [1],
so-called "motels" are short-time hotels or "love hotels", differing from
the original concept in english (hotel for drivers). Do you think that we
should tag them differently (such as amenity=lovehotel or whatever,
tourism=lovehotel doesn't seems to fit) or keep it tourism=motel?
It's a thin line, because some love hotels ("motels" here) call themselves
"hotels" but everyone (the locals) knows that they are, in fact, love
hotels.
1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motel#Short-time
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