[OSM-talk] Tagging concert / music hall
I tried to tag two music halls in my hometown Haarlem, The Netherlands. I was surprised that I couldn't find a tag 'concert hall' or 'music hall'. I found this help question: https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/13007/which-tag-should-be-used-for-a-concert-hall The solution suggested there is to use 'theatre' for concert hall and nightclub for smaller concert halls. In the Dutch language a theatre is something completely different than a concert hall: theatre is used for buildings where you can look at plays, cabaret, comedies. Concert hall is used for buildings where you can listen to classical music (e.g. Concertgebouw, Amsterdam). Music hall is used for buildings where you can listen to e.g. rock concerts or new, promising bands (e.g. Heineken Music Hall (HMH), Ziggo Dome (ZD), both in Amsterdam). A nightclub is associated with an intimate atmosphere where 'easy listening' or jazz music is played, with a limited number of visitors. HMH and ZD absolutely do not fit into this definition, they are now both tagged with theatre, which I consider wrong. So I'm strongly in favour of having appropriate tags for the before mentioned buildings: concert hall and music hall. How can this be achieved? Peter van der Kamp ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging concert / music hall
Hello Peter. I found this same issue 2 years ago, when tagging Salurinn http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/180359924#map=19/64.11188/-21.90910 We achieve this by using the correct tag, in this case amenity=music_hall (both classical and smaller pop concerts are played there). There is no ultimate judge, use it and it becomes a standard. --Jói / Stalfur Þann 20.7.2015 17:39, skrifaði Peter vd Kamp: I tried to tag two music halls in my hometown Haarlem, The Netherlands. I was surprised that I couldn't find a tag 'concert hall' or 'music hall'. I found this help question: https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/13007/which-tag-should-be-used-for-a-concert-hall The solution suggested there is to use 'theatre' for concert hall and nightclub for smaller concert halls. In the Dutch language a theatre is something completely different than a concert hall: theatre is used for buildings where you can look at plays, cabaret, comedies. Concert hall is used for buildings where you can listen to classical music (e.g. Concertgebouw, Amsterdam). Music hall is used for buildings where you can listen to e.g. rock concerts or new, promising bands (e.g. Heineken Music Hall (HMH), Ziggo Dome (ZD), both in Amsterdam). A nightclub is associated with an intimate atmosphere where 'easy listening' or jazz music is played, with a limited number of visitors. HMH and ZD absolutely do not fit into this definition, they are now both tagged with theatre, which I consider wrong. So I'm strongly in favour of having appropriate tags for the before mentioned buildings: concert hall and music hall. How can this be achieved? Peter van der Kamp ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging concert / music hall
On 20/07/2015 18:39, Peter vd Kamp wrote: Music hall is used for buildings where you can listen to e.g. rock concerts or new, promising bands (e.g. Heineken Music Hall (HMH), Ziggo Dome (ZD), both in Amsterdam). The term 'music hall' in British English denotes a very different thing. In fact, it's a historical term relating to the entertainment of the 19th and early 20th centuries. As far as I know, music halls were like theatres inside, but used for mainly musical entertainment (a singer on the stage accompanied by a band of musicians in the pit). They are particularly remembered for comic songs like 'Daisy, Daisy', 'Henery the Eighth', 'A little of what you fancy does you good', etc., which are still sometimes sung in 'community singing' settings. -- Steve --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging concert / music hall
Some concert halls: Albert Hall, London: attraction=music_venue Concertgebouw, Amsterdam: amenity=theatre Gewandhaus, Leipzig: theatre:genre=philharmonic Musikverein, Vienna: amenity=concert_hall Philharmonie, Berlin: amenity=theatre Symphony Hall, Birmingham: building=concert_hall Clearly a consensus - NOT! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging concert / music hall
Thanks for the answers so far. It's a pity that there is no consensus, because it makes searching more difficult: the user must be aware of the fact that he has to search for different tags. I'm fairly new to contribute to Openstreetmap, so I don't know of long term habits for tagging. For the moment I will use amenity=music_hall or amenity=concert_hall. Thanks to this discussion I'm curious about standardization processes regarding metadata in Openstreetmap, but that's a topic for a new thread. Peter On 20 jul. 2015, at 21:28, Malcolm Herring wrote: > Some concert halls: > > Albert Hall, London: attraction=music_venue > Concertgebouw, Amsterdam: amenity=theatre > Gewandhaus, Leipzig: theatre:genre=philharmonic > Musikverein, Vienna: amenity=concert_hall > Philharmonie, Berlin: amenity=theatre > Symphony Hall, Birmingham: building=concert_hall > > Clearly a consensus - NOT! > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
