Re: [OSM-talk] The benefits of cross-linking OSM and Wikidata

[Kathleen Lu via talk]

Right. Since the definition of "active contributor" includes "has
maintained a valid email address in their registration profile and responds
to a request to vote within 3 weeks", then people who do not vote do not
count as active.
A 2/3 majority voting in favor is not an easy threshold by any means, but I
don't think it would be any more difficult for OSMF to *conduct* the vote
than it is to conduct the board election.


On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 7:01 AM Maarten Deen  wrote:

> On 2020-03-05 15:39, Rory McCann wrote:
> > On 05/03/2020 15:25, Sören Reinecke via talk wrote:
> >> couldn't we do a vote about that? Would it be possible for the OSMF to
> >> maintain and coordinate such a voting.
> >
> > Yes, we _could_.
> >
> > It would require a 2/3 majority of “active [OSM] contributors”,
>
> "and responds to a request to vote within 3 weeks"
>
> > is (intentionally) a large number (about 250,000 at the time of
> > writing).
>
> Which will limit that number of 250.000 substantially, and will in fact
> limit that number to the number of votes you receive.
> If 4 people respond and 3 vote in favor, than that counts as a 2/3
> majority as put forward in item 3 of the license.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] The benefits of cross-linking OSM and Wikidata

[Mateusz Konieczny via talk]

Mar 5, 2020, 15:39 by r...@technomancy.org:

> On 05/03/2020 15:25, Sören Reinecke via talk wrote:
>
>> couldn't we do a vote about that? Would it be possible for the OSMF to
>> maintain and coordinate such a voting.
>>
>
> Yes, we _could_.
>
> It would require a 2/3 majority of “active [OSM] contributors”, which is 
> (intentionally) a large number (about 250,000 at the time of writing). I'm 
> sorry, but a licence change to remove the share alike part of the OSM licence 
> has microscopic chance of passing... You'll just have to accept it.
>
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Contributor_Terms
>
And I am pretty sure that migrating Wikidata to ODBL is even less likely.

Sadly, you run into a conflict between strategies of this projects.

To make it even more irritating - imports from Wikidata into OSM are also
impossible in general due to licensing issues.

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Re: [OSM-talk] The benefits of cross-linking OSM and Wikidata

[Maarten Deen]

On 2020-03-05 15:39, Rory McCann wrote:

On 05/03/2020 15:25, Sören Reinecke via talk wrote:

couldn't we do a vote about that? Would it be possible for the OSMF to
maintain and coordinate such a voting.


Yes, we _could_.

It would require a 2/3 majority of “active [OSM] contributors”,


"and responds to a request to vote within 3 weeks"


is (intentionally) a large number (about 250,000 at the time of
writing).


Which will limit that number of 250.000 substantially, and will in fact 
limit that number to the number of votes you receive.
If 4 people respond and 3 vote in favor, than that counts as a 2/3 
majority as put forward in item 3 of the license.


Regards,
Maarten

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Re: [OSM-talk] The benefits of cross-linking OSM and Wikidata

[Rory McCann]

On 05/03/2020 15:25, Sören Reinecke via talk wrote:
> couldn't we do a vote about that? Would it be possible for the OSMF to
> maintain and coordinate such a voting.

Yes, we _could_.

It would require a 2/3 majority of “active [OSM] contributors”, which is 
(intentionally) a large number (about 250,000 at the time of writing). 
I'm sorry, but a licence change to remove the share alike part of the 
OSM licence has microscopic chance of passing... You'll just have to 
accept it.


https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Contributor_Terms

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Re: [OSM-talk] The benefits of cross-linking OSM and Wikidata

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 05.03.20 15:25, Sören Reinecke via talk wrote:
> couldn't we do a vote about that? Would it be possible for the OSMF to
> maintain and coordinate such a voting.

No. The OSMF is not at liberty to grant *anyone* exceptions from the ODbL.

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Re: [OSM-talk] The benefits of cross-linking OSM and Wikidata

[Sören Reinecke via talk]

couldn't we do a vote about that? Would it be possible for the OSMF to maintain and coordinate such a voting. Original Message Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] The benefits of cross-linking OSM and WikidataFrom: Martin Koppenhoefer To: Sören Reinecke CC: Mateusz Konieczny ,OSM talk mailing list Am Do., 5. März 2020 um 14:36 Uhr schrieb Sören Reinecke :No. Exceptions for both organisations on both site to use/lisence certain data differently than normal. Both organisations Wikipedia Foundation and OpenStreetMap Foundation would need to sign an aggreement.From my understanding of the OSM contributor terms, the OSMF does not have the faculty to grant exceptions from the license, which the majority of active contributors have chosen (currently ODbL), i.e. such an agreement would require to make a voting amongst all active contributors on the OSM side. No idea about wikidata terms, likely they would not need to change anything, wikidata is already very permissive.CheersMartin
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Re: [OSM-talk] The benefits of cross-linking OSM and Wikidata

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am Do., 5. März 2020 um 14:36 Uhr schrieb Sören Reinecke <
tilmanreine...@yahoo.de>:

> No. Exceptions for both organisations on both site to use/lisence certain
> data differently than normal. Both organisations Wikipedia Foundation and
> OpenStreetMap Foundation would need to sign an aggreement.



>From my understanding of the OSM contributor terms, the OSMF does not have
the faculty to grant exceptions from the license, which the majority of
active contributors have chosen (currently ODbL), i.e. such an agreement
would require to make a voting amongst all active contributors on the OSM
side. No idea about wikidata terms, likely they would not need to change
anything, wikidata is already very permissive.

Cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] The benefits of cross-linking OSM and Wikidata

[joost schouppe]

Hi Andy,

Nice to see the project picked up here. It was a fun one to be involved in.

Note that it works based on a mix. The core of the program is "take the
streets, find the etymology tag, query wikidata for the person, then their
gender". But we do have a csv with the streetnames and their associated
gender.
The gender in the CSV was assigned by humans, based on websearching.
Automatic approaches don't always work, since several streets just have a
last name but are in fact named after a single person, not a family.
In the long run, it would be awesome if all these humans get their wiki
page. We didn't have the time to make that happen in this project. Se we
only added wikidata tags to OpenStreetMap in cases where the q-number was
already available.
Note that we didn't need to use any OSM data for improving Wikidata in this
project.

Some cool things this project entails:
- I've seen a prototype that works without the CSV. So it works around the
globe; the only thing needed to make it work is adding the wikidata tags in
OSM
- this approach can be first step to making all sorts of nifty maps, like
colouring the streets named after people in a certain profession, or from a
certain century. Or make a map where neighborhoods show up where the
streets are named after flowers or birds.

For more info on the project see
https://github.com/openknowledgebe/equalstreetnames
(Issues welcome of course)
We had a few contacts with GeoChicas, but Jonathan decided to build from
scratch. Exactly because of the focus on the wikidata approach - the list
of names is a fallback only. I hope we can do some more exchange of
experience soon.

Joost
Note: I only helped to convince the people involved to use OpenStreetMap,
and supported the project here and there

Op di 3 mrt. 2020 om 17:21 schreef Andy Mabbett :

> Some of you will remember, around five years ago, a debate about
> whether or not we should add Wikidata IDs to OSM.
>
> We did, and so here's "EqualStreetNames.Brussels", an example of what
> is now possible:
>
>https://equalstreetnames.brussels/en/index.html
>
> It shows streets in Brussels named after men and women, visualized
> with data from OpenStreetMap and Wikidata.
>
> Does anyone have other good examples?
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Re: [OSM-talk] The benefits of cross-linking OSM and Wikidata

[Sören Reinecke via talk]

No. Exceptions for both organisations on both site to use/lisence certain data differently than normal. Both organisations Wikipedia Foundation and OpenStreetMap Foundation would need to sign an aggreement. Original Message Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] The benefits of cross-linking OSM and WikidataFrom: Martin Koppenhoefer To: Sören Reinecke CC: Mateusz Konieczny ,OSM talk mailing list Am Mi., 4. März 2020 um 20:56 Uhr schrieb Sören Reinecke via talk :Did I say "dialogue"? This is a matter of communication.What should be agreed on? Wikidata moving to ODbL? We moving to CC0? What other options do you see?CheersMartin
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Re: [OSM-talk] The benefits of cross-linking OSM and Wikidata

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am Mi., 4. März 2020 um 20:56 Uhr schrieb Sören Reinecke via talk <
talk@openstreetmap.org>:

> Did I say "dialogue"? This is a matter of communication.



What should be agreed on? Wikidata moving to ODbL? We moving to CC0? What
other options do you see?

Cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] The benefits of cross-linking OSM and Wikidata

[Sören Reinecke via talk]

Did I say "dialogue"? This is a matter of communication. Original Message Subject: Re: Re:[OSM-talk] The benefits of cross-linking OSM and WikidataFrom: Mateusz Konieczny To: Sören Reinecke CC: OSM talk mailing list 
  
  
Mar 4, 2020, 18:58 by tilmanreine...@yahoo.de:Mar 4, 2020, 16:42 by oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch:It is possible not only to add the Wikidata IDs to the OSM map, but also to add (or verify) the geographical coordinates in the Wikidata items themselves,Using OSM data?Yes, it is possible.No, it is not. Wikidata is CC0 licenced, OSM is ODBL licenced.  

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Re: [OSM-talk] The benefits of cross-linking OSM and Wikidata

[Mateusz Konieczny via talk]

Mar 4, 2020, 18:58 by tilmanreine...@yahoo.de:

> Mar 4, 2020, 16:42 by oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch:
>
>>> It is possible not only to add the Wikidata IDs to the OSM map, but also to 
>>> add (or verify) 
>>> the geographical coordinates in the Wikidata items themselves,
>>>
>> Using OSM data?
>>
> Yes, it is possible.
>
No, it is not. Wikidata is CC0 licenced, OSM is ODBL licenced.

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Re: [OSM-talk] The benefits of cross-linking OSM and Wikidata

[Harald Schwarz]

Hello,

since I am interested in streetnames and the historical background of the names 
of streets
I did myself an investigation on gender in streetnames of Düsseldorf, capital 
of Northrhine-Westfalia.

This is what I found out:

Some statistics on Düsseldorf Streetnames (german - english):
Statistik der Düsseldorfer Straßennamen

2916 = Anzahl aller Straßennamen - number of all streets
221 = noch nicht zugeordnet - unknown status, perhaps person
720 = nach Personen benannt - named after person
680 = nach männlichen Personen benannt - named after male person
94.44 = Prozent männliche Bennennung - percentage of male names
42 = nach weiblichen Personen benannt - named afer female person
5.83 = Prozent weibliche Bennennung - percentage of female names
68 = nach anonymen männlichen Personen benannt - anonymous male names, for 
example firstnames only
43 = nach anonymen weiblichen Personen benannt - annonymous femal names
13 = nach fiktiven männlichen Personen benannt - fictional male names
8 = nach fiktiven weiblichen Personen benannt - fictional femal names

As OSM lacks the concept of "STREET" I didn't know where to store my 
information in OpenStreetMap.
Streets in OSM are puzzeled into many piece, depending on surface, speedlimits 
or light conditions.
Even the associatedStreet-Relations in Germany were removed some months ago.

Actually I think that it should be enough to put information about the naming 
background to just one
single part of the street in OSM. Applications can then use this info for the 
whole street.

My way to generate a map showing the gender of the name givers in Düsseldorf 
streets was to use
overpass-turbo and hardcoding the names and gender in the CSS-Style.

I tried to add my overpass-turbo-query to this mail. Hope this is accepted. 
[NO, this failed. Mail To big and hold back If interresed, contact me directly.)

I think it is much better to store the information in OSM, wikidata and 
wikipedia, so that everybody can use this
information.

So in future I will try to put infos about the naming background of Düsseldorf 
streets to OSM, WikiData and Wikipedia.


Greetings from Ratingen
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Re: [OSM-talk] The benefits of cross-linking OSM and Wikidata

[Oleksiy Muzalyev]

On 3/4/20 18:37, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote:




Mar 4, 2020, 16:42 by oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch:

It is possible not only to add the Wikidata IDs to the OSM map,
but also to add (or verify)
the geographical coordinates in the Wikidata items themselves,

Using OSM data?

I would rather say using the ground truth. Preferably by visiting an 
object, verifying its location by GPS device, by direct observation, 
taking some photos for its Wikimedia category, recording a GPS trace, 
talking to locals, etc.


And updating both, the OSM data and the Wikidata item.

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Re: [OSM-talk] The benefits of cross-linking OSM and Wikidata

[Sören Reinecke via talk]

Yes, it is possible. The Wikipedia Foundation and its community must allow that and need to get in dialogue with us (us=OSM Community (speaking code)) or we with them.CheersSören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] The benefits of cross-linking OSM and WikidataFrom: Mateusz Konieczny via talk To: CC: OSM talk mailing list 
  
  
Mar 4, 2020, 16:42 by oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch:It is possible not only to add the Wikidata IDs to the OSM map, but also to add (or verify) the geographical coordinates in the Wikidata items themselves,Using OSM data?  

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Re: [OSM-talk] The benefits of cross-linking OSM and Wikidata

[Mateusz Konieczny via talk]

Mar 4, 2020, 16:42 by oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch:

> It is possible not only to add the Wikidata IDs to the OSM map, but also to 
> add (or verify) 
> the geographical coordinates in the Wikidata items themselves,
>
Using OSM data?
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Re: [OSM-talk] The benefits of cross-linking OSM and Wikidata

[Oleksiy Muzalyev]

On 03-Mar-20 17:17, Andy Mabbett wrote:

Some of you will remember, around five years ago, a debate about
whether or not we should add Wikidata IDs to OSM.

We did, and so here's "EqualStreetNames.Brussels", an example of what
is now possible:

https://equalstreetnames.brussels/en/index.html

It shows streets in Brussels named after men and women, visualized
with data from OpenStreetMap and Wikidata.

Does anyone have other good examples?

I wrote a simple tool, which allows to view the Wikidata items, which 
have the coordinates in the items themselves, on the OSM map:


http://ausleuchtung.ch/geo_wiki/?lat=46.66761954912767=6.472320556640626=13=en=wkd=3

It is done via the MediaWikiAPI (in areas with large concentration of 
Wikidata items reduce the radius from 10 to 2 or even to 1 km).


It is possible not only to add the Wikidata IDs to the OSM map, but also 
to add (or verify) the geographical coordinates in the Wikidata items 
themselves, so that they could be viewed on the OSM map via this and 
other similar tools.


Another thing, - quite often a Wikidata item may happen not to have a 
title, i.e. its label in English was not created yet (in this case, this 
tool shows "en title is absent"  on the geo-marker text). However, it is 
relatively easy to add the label's translation in English and also in 
other languages for a Wikidata item. In other words, some Wikidata items 
themselves may benefit from attention.




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Re: [OSM-talk] The benefits of cross-linking OSM and Wikidata

[Rodrigo Rodríguez]

GeoChicas has a similar project: 
https://geochicasosm.github.io/lascallesdelasmujeres/

El 3 de marzo de 2020 10:17:02 GMT-06:00, Andy Mabbett 
 escribió:
>Some of you will remember, around five years ago, a debate about
>whether or not we should add Wikidata IDs to OSM.
>
>We did, and so here's "EqualStreetNames.Brussels", an example of what
>is now possible:
>
>   https://equalstreetnames.brussels/en/index.html
>
>It shows streets in Brussels named after men and women, visualized
>with data from OpenStreetMap and Wikidata.
>
>Does anyone have other good examples?
>
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[OSM-talk] The benefits of cross-linking OSM and Wikidata

[Andy Mabbett]

Some of you will remember, around five years ago, a debate about
whether or not we should add Wikidata IDs to OSM.

We did, and so here's "EqualStreetNames.Brussels", an example of what
is now possible:

   https://equalstreetnames.brussels/en/index.html

It shows streets in Brussels named after men and women, visualized
with data from OpenStreetMap and Wikidata.

Does anyone have other good examples?

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