Re: [OSM-talk] What phone survey results
On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 12:00 -0800, SteveC wrote: That's kind of interesting. Sold over what time period though? The article I posted gave figures (in both volume and $ sales) for per-quarter periods, compared with other quarters in 2010 and the previous year. Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game.. I find this a very interesting response when the question asked of you was: *I* don't want to know who's using what 'phone; I wanted to know why *you* wanted to know. Someone fairly and squarely asked the reason why youre surveying users on this mailing list, a mailing list for a project that begins with 'Open', and your response is to call it an argument with an anonymous idiot? Wouldnt it be easier (and less personally insulting) to simply give an answer to the question everyone has politely asked you, or if youre under some commercial-in-confidence agreement, then at least say so? You asked everyone here for their help with your project, then launch into a tirade that everyone who enquired for more details about your project, is a 'self-righteous sixteen-year-old posessing infinite amounts of free time'. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What phone survey results
On Jan 8, 2011, at 5:18 PM, David Murn wrote: On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 12:00 -0800, SteveC wrote: That's kind of interesting. Sold over what time period though? The article I posted gave figures (in both volume and $ sales) for per-quarter periods, compared with other quarters in 2010 and the previous year. Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game.. I find this a very interesting response when the question asked of you was: *I* don't want to know who's using what 'phone; I wanted to know why *you* wanted to know. Someone fairly and squarely asked the reason why youre surveying users on this mailing list, a mailing list for a project that begins with 'Open', and your response is to call it an argument with an anonymous idiot? No, I answered it several times, as did others. It was simple curiosity. My reply was to the trolling. Wouldnt it be easier (and less personally insulting) to simply give an answer to the question everyone has politely asked you, or if youre under some commercial-in-confidence agreement, then at least say so? You asked everyone here for their help with your project, then launch into a tirade that everyone who enquired for more details about your project, is a 'self-righteous sixteen-year-old posessing infinite amounts of free time'. David Steve stevecoast.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What phone survey results
Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be—or to be indistinguishable from—self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time. — Neal Stephenson (Cryptonomicon) On Jan 6, 2011, at 4:34 AM, Dave F. wrote: On 05/01/2011 22:45, SteveC wrote: In response to the critique of the validity, feel free to go do a better job. Why do people who are afraid of criticism (in fact, it was just a question to start with) always post ridiculous non sequiturs such as the above? *I* don't want to know who's using what 'phone; I wanted to know why *you* wanted to know. Was that too hard to comprehend? Your failure to give a conclusive reason suggests an ulterior motive. Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Steve stevecoast.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What phone survey results
That's kind of interesting. Sold over what time period though? On Jan 6, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Michael Kugelmann wrote: On 05.01.2011 23:45, SteveC wrote: Results from my crude little survey; For my point of view this is somehow the same as the distribution of phones sold. Except: the very low number of BB-Devices. Best regards, Michael. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Steve stevecoast.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What phone survey results
One reason for the limited number of BlackBerry devices being used for mapping is a serious lack of software. To my knowledge, there is only one app for BlackBerry phones that lets you do editing, BigTinCan Mapper, and the only editing you can do is to upload GPS traces and to add certain preset types of POIs. The program has a means of requesting new POI types, but the product has apparently been abandoned by BigTinCan. No new POI types have been added in the two years that I have been using BigTinCan Mapper, and getting a reply from their tech support literally takes months of waiting. There are a number of other products, both commercial and free, that will display OSM data, but none of them, to my knowledge, allow you to make changes. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] What phone survey results From :mailto:st...@asklater.com Date :Fri Jan 07 14:00:49 America/Chicago 2011 That's kind of interesting. Sold over what time period though? On Jan 6, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Michael Kugelmann wrote: On 05.01.2011 23:45, SteveC wrote: Results from my crude little survey; For my point of view this is somehow the same as the distribution of phones sold. Except: the very low number of BB-Devices. Best regards, Michael. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Steve stevecoast.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What phone survey results
The version of BigTinCan Mapper I am using, BigTinCan Mapper Pro version 2.0.148, is a paid product. I purchased it directly from BigTinCan. Curiously, this version is only for sale directly from BigTinCan; the MobiPro App Store (for example' CrackBerry.com) is still selling version 1.0.95. As I said, there is provision for requesting new POI types, and for refreshing the list of POI types, but I have seen no changes in the list of POI types that can be created by Mapper, in the nearly two years that I have been using the program. Some months ago, I suggested to the BigTinCan developers that provision be made for adding a POI with only a name and location, with other tags to be added later, using a program such as JOSM or Potlatch. This would allow other types of POIs not directly supported by BigTinCan Mapper Pro. The developers replied that this sounded like a good idea, but have not added the feature. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] What phone survey results From :mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Date :Fri Jan 07 14:40:40 America/Chicago 2011 On 8 January 2011 06:35, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: One reason for the limited number of BlackBerry devices being used for mapping is a serious lack of software. To my knowledge, there is only one app for BlackBerry phones that lets you do editing, BigTinCan Mapper, and the only editing you can do is to upload GPS traces and to add certain preset types of POIs. The program has a means of requesting new POI types, but the product has apparently been abandoned by BigTinCan. No new POI types have been added in the two years that I have been using BigTinCan Mapper, and getting a reply from their tech support literally takes months of waiting. It hasn't been abandoned, although there hasn't been much work done on it lately, well none, mostly due to a lack of a business model although that might be changing shortly, however we're working on other paid stuff atm which takes precedent. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What phone survey results
On 05/01/2011 22:45, SteveC wrote: In response to the critique of the validity, feel free to go do a better job. Why do people who are afraid of criticism (in fact, it was just a question to start with) always post ridiculous non sequiturs such as the above? *I* don't want to know who's using what 'phone; I wanted to know why *you* wanted to know. Was that too hard to comprehend? Your failure to give a conclusive reason suggests an ulterior motive. Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What phone survey results
On 6 January 2011 22:34, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Why do people who are afraid of criticism (in fact, it was just a question to start with) always post ridiculous non sequiturs such as the above? *I* don't want to know who's using what 'phone; I wanted to know why *you* wanted to know. I kind of wanted to know this as well, since knowing why someone wants to know something can dramatically influence the outcome, for example contributors might not be a good lot to ask if you are making some kind of phone app for end users. I expected a similar outcome so I never bothered to ask. Your failure to give a conclusive reason suggests an ulterior motive. I've lost count. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What phone survey results
On Thursday 06 January 2011 08:40:02 Lester Caine wrote: One thing that it does not show is what OS is being used. 'nokia' covers several options, and I'm finding my N900 is actually quite a nice linux computer ... And you can pry my 6201 off my cold, dead hands! -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es i...@geonerd.org Now listening to: Majestic 12 - Bar Lounge Classics: Mediterranean Edition (2007) - [16] Superstar (3:36) (96.277802%) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What phone survey results
On 05.01.2011 23:45, SteveC wrote: Results from my crude little survey; For my point of view this is somehow the same as the distribution of phones sold. Except: the very low number of BB-Devices. Best regards, Michael. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What phone survey results
On Thu, 2011-01-06 at 22:05 +0100, Michael Kugelmann wrote: On 05.01.2011 23:45, SteveC wrote: Results from my crude little survey; For my point of view this is somehow the same as the distribution of phones sold. Except: the very low number of BB-Devices. I think also one bit missing is the location of the survey answerer. I read a stat that nearly 50% of phones in Australia now, are android. I imagine even different results from the US and europe, with developed nations having a higher representation of more advanced technology, while other less developed countries, will still be using old-style phones. I guess we can pick this survey apart til the cows come home though. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What phone survey results
On 7 January 2011 09:30, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: I think also one bit missing is the location of the survey answerer. I read a stat that nearly 50% of phones in Australia now, are android. I Not sure if that is accurate or not, there is a lot of BBs and iPhones that have a large share of their own, but that would most likely be smart phone sales, however the smart phone sales only makes up a small percentage of total sales usually, somewhere between 10 and 20% I guess we can pick this survey apart til the cows come home though. And without knowing what it's for it's mostly useless guessing. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] What phone survey results
Results from my crude little survey; count percentage Android of some kind70 30% Nokia 65 28% iPhone 39 17% Other 45 19% Rim/Blackberry 5 2% Windows Phone 7 4 2% Palm4 2% In response to the critique of the validity, feel free to go do a better job. I was just curious. Steve stevecoast.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What phone survey results
SteveC wrote: In response to the critique of the validity, feel free to go do a better job. I was just curious. One thing that it does not show is what OS is being used. 'nokia' covers several options, and I'm finding my N900 is actually quite a nice linux computer ... -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
