Re: [OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
Valent Turkovic wrote: Android negative points: - less apps than iPhone, both for OSM and general - not so good as multimedia player (video and audio podcasts) - a bit bigger and heavier than iPhone The last point depends on the phone because Android is a platform not a single Phone. iPhone negative points: - runs only one app at once :( - pretty closed platform :( - quite expensive, no carrier in Croatia offers it in contract deals :( add the point that it's seems to have one of the worst GPS precision of all modern phones. Matthias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
Hi, Matthias Versen wrote: add the point that it's seems to have one of the worst GPS precision of all modern phones. The iPhone is a lifestyle device, not a measuring device. It has a GPS receiver in order to display location based opportunities to spend money; and for that I guess it's good enough. Expecting precise GPS measurements from an iPhone is like going windsurfing in your Gucci jacket. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
Hi, Frederik Ramm wrote: The iPhone is a lifestyle device, not a measuring device. Before anyone misreads this - I don't claim that Android phones weren't lifestyle devices, it's just more difficult to say something about them in general because there's no such thing as the Android phone. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
2009/11/24 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com: I'm not seeing Palm Pre anywhere in Croatia, and it looks like not available in whole world, only in few countries :( AFAIK the german Pre's can be ordered worldwide, if not directly from O2 then through expansys. Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
(OpenMoko could also be an option? Comes with GTK itself so GPSd along with josm or anything else should run better than mobile platforms moko also comes with resistance based touch and 3d accel and gps and all regular features and also my favourite USB host option. me contemplating to buy one of those) 2009/11/24 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com Hi, I'm looking for the best mobile phone for OpenStreetMap. Which mobile phone do you think is better for OpenStreetMap? Things for consideration are: - onboard GPS precision - applications for GPS logging - applications for POI collection - battery life when mapping (how long can you map) Please share any experience that you have with any or even better if you had experience with both of them. I only user iPhone for a short while, and haven't even seen Android for real but I ran Android emulator via SDK to get a feel for it. Here are some of my thoughts... Android positive points: - platform on the uptake, more apps coming every day - nice POI collection app [1] - runs multiple apps at once - quite open platform Android negative points: - less apps than iPhone, both for OSM and general - not so good as multimedia player (video and audio podcasts) - a bit bigger and heavier than iPhone iPhone positive points: - lots of apps, both for OSM and general [2] - CloudMade MapZen POI collector supports for iPhone [3] - multitouch interface - great multimedia player (video and audio podcasts) - nice deal for a 2 year T-Mobile contract iPhone negative points: - runs only one app at once :( - pretty closed platform :( - quite expensive, no carrier in Croatia offers it in contract deals :( [1] http://maps.bigtincan.com/btc-mapper.php [2] http://blog.cloudmade.com/2009/03/19/bring-cloudmade-maps-to-your- iphone-application/http://blog.cloudmade.com/2009/03/19/bring-cloudmade-maps-to-your-%0Aiphone-application/ [3] http://mapzen.cloudmade.com/mapzen-poi-collector -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
On Thu, 26 Nov 2009, ヴィカス ヤダヴァ (vikas yadav) wrote: (OpenMoko could also be an option? Comes with GTK itself so GPSd along with josm or anything else should run better than mobile platforms moko also comes with resistance based touch and 3d accel and gps and all regular features and also my favourite USB host option. me contemplating to buy one of those) Battery life with the Freerunner is a real problem to me, it doesn't last more than a few hours of use. Navit, TangoGps run well. TangoGps will collect a track. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
I use an iPhone 3G. I've never used any other GPS device, so I can't give you a direct comparison, just my experience with the iPhone. My area (Japan) was completely blank before I started, so I've really been concentrating on mapping roads rather than POIs. 1) Precision In suburban/low-rise/countryside areas: When placed horizontal on a car dashboard (i.e. probably only half the sky is visible) - or carried horizontally in front when walking - the precision is good. It gets a fix within 10-15 seconds. When carried vertically inside a shoulder bag pocket with the bag over your shoulder, it is less accurate (probably because it is only seeing about 1 quarter or less of the sky), but still creates a track that's useable for mapping. I don't think the vertical/horizontal orientation is important, but the amount of visible sky is important. In city centre (when surrounded by tall skyscrapers and held horizontally away from the body): it is less accurate but reasonable. In city centre (surrounded by tall skyscrapers and carried vertically inside a shoulder bag pocket with the bag over your shoulder and walking along the side of a street): The tracks are not accurate enough for mapping. 2) Applications I've used OSMTrack, Track n' Trails, and Trails. OSMTrack: No map. No graphical display of track. Uploads directly to OSM Displays compass and other info - not focussed on the track. Track n' Trails: No map. Good graphical display of track. Used to be able to upload directly to OSM, but has not been updated since the last OSM API change (so need to email track to email account and then upload from there) Good 'lock' mode, which displays dynamically zoomed track during recording. Has a bug - which I think is caused when the physical 'home' button is pressed before the 'Stop' button in the app is pressed - which can cause sections of the recorded track to be deleted. Nice and simple/clear display - focussed on the track. Trails Displays the OSM (mapnik?) map during track recording (so you can see where roads are unmapped). Displays the track on top of the OSM map. Very complicated - loads of info and buttons and not so intuitive or clear display. My favourite (and the one I've used for all my mapping so far) is Track n' Trails, it's simple and clear. The only thing I miss is that it doesn't display any map, just the graphical track. I've recently purchased Trails because it shows the OSM map, but it feels quite inelegant in comparison. None of those apps (I think) supports POIs. If I was in an area where the roads had already been mapped then I'd use a completely different app, but I haven't looked at any of the POI apps yet. 3) Battery life Not long enough for day trips. The battery runs out in a few hours, even with ordinary usage of the iPhone, so on a day trip with a 2 hour car drive you can't map both the outward and inward journeys. I now have a Mophie Juice Pack Air for the iPhone 3G, which solves the battery problem completely - it can last all day/a few days easily. I'm not normally recording a track continuously all day, but with the Juice Pack Air I have never run out of power. I've never had another smartphone with web access, so I've no idea how the battery of the iPhone 3G compares to the 3GS or Android phones. Regarding your positive and negative points: I don't really think that any of the +ve ones you list for Android are important for me, and I don't think the -ve ones you list for the iPhone are important for me either! Hope that helps! Woll valentt wrote: Hi, I'm looking for the best mobile phone for OpenStreetMap. Which mobile phone do you think is better for OpenStreetMap? Things for consideration are: - onboard GPS precision - applications for GPS logging - applications for POI collection - battery life when mapping (how long can you map) Please share any experience that you have with any or even better if you had experience with both of them. I only user iPhone for a short while, and haven't even seen Android for real but I ran Android emulator via SDK to get a feel for it. Here are some of my thoughts... Android positive points: - platform on the uptake, more apps coming every day - nice POI collection app [1] - runs multiple apps at once - quite open platform Android negative points: - less apps than iPhone, both for OSM and general - not so good as multimedia player (video and audio podcasts) - a bit bigger and heavier than iPhone iPhone positive points: - lots of apps, both for OSM and general [2] - CloudMade MapZen POI collector supports for iPhone [3] - multitouch interface - great multimedia player (video and audio podcasts) - nice deal for a 2 year T-Mobile contract iPhone negative points: - runs only one app at once :( - pretty closed platform :( - quite expensive, no carrier in Croatia offers it in contract deals :( [1]
Re: [OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
2009/11/25 Woll w...@2-islands.com: 3) Battery life Not long enough for day trips. The battery runs out in a few hours, even with ordinary usage of the iPhone, so on a day trip with a 2 hour car drive you can't map both the outward and inward journeys. Here's an iPhone negaitve I didn't see mentioned before, non-changable batteries... Most if not every other phone made in the last 10 years allows you to change the battery, some companies make phone battery chargers... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:52:46 +0100, andrzej zaborowski wrote: If anyone has experience with any of the two and additionally the Palm Pre, I'm not seeing Palm Pre anywhere in Croatia, and it looks like not available in whole world, only in few countries :( -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:37:38 +0100, Bernhard zwischenbrugger wrote: Safari in iPhone is better for maps than Android browser o no SVG in Android browser o no multitouch in Android browser Javascript (evt.touches) o no 3d CSS in Android browser 3d css is good for fast zooming) Thanks for the tip! -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
Hi, I'm looking for the best mobile phone for OpenStreetMap. Which mobile phone do you think is better for OpenStreetMap? Things for consideration are: - onboard GPS precision - applications for GPS logging - applications for POI collection - battery life when mapping (how long can you map) Please share any experience that you have with any or even better if you had experience with both of them. I only user iPhone for a short while, and haven't even seen Android for real but I ran Android emulator via SDK to get a feel for it. Here are some of my thoughts... Android positive points: - platform on the uptake, more apps coming every day - nice POI collection app [1] - runs multiple apps at once - quite open platform Android negative points: - less apps than iPhone, both for OSM and general - not so good as multimedia player (video and audio podcasts) - a bit bigger and heavier than iPhone iPhone positive points: - lots of apps, both for OSM and general [2] - CloudMade MapZen POI collector supports for iPhone [3] - multitouch interface - great multimedia player (video and audio podcasts) - nice deal for a 2 year T-Mobile contract iPhone negative points: - runs only one app at once :( - pretty closed platform :( - quite expensive, no carrier in Croatia offers it in contract deals :( [1] http://maps.bigtincan.com/btc-mapper.php [2] http://blog.cloudmade.com/2009/03/19/bring-cloudmade-maps-to-your- iphone-application/ [3] http://mapzen.cloudmade.com/mapzen-poi-collector -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:03:00 +, Valent Turkovic wrote: - quite expensive, no carrier in Croatia offers it in contract deals This negative point should have been in Android section not in iPhone. -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm looking for the best mobile phone for OpenStreetMap. Which mobile phone do you think is better for OpenStreetMap? Things for consideration are: - onboard GPS precision - applications for GPS logging - applications for POI collection - battery life when mapping (how long can you map) Please share any experience that you have with any or even better if you had experience with both of them. I only user iPhone for a short while, and haven't even seen Android for real but I ran Android emulator via SDK to get a feel for it. Here are some of my thoughts... Android positive points: - platform on the uptake, more apps coming every day - nice POI collection app [1] - runs multiple apps at once - quite open platform Android negative points: - less apps than iPhone, both for OSM and general - not so good as multimedia player (video and audio podcasts) - a bit bigger and heavier than iPhone iPhone positive points: - lots of apps, both for OSM and general [2] - CloudMade MapZen POI collector supports for iPhone [3] - multitouch interface - great multimedia player (video and audio podcasts) - nice deal for a 2 year T-Mobile contract iPhone negative points: - runs only one app at once :( - pretty closed platform :( - quite expensive, no carrier in Croatia offers it in contract deals :( [1] http://maps.bigtincan.com/btc-mapper.php [2] http://blog.cloudmade.com/2009/03/19/bring-cloudmade-maps-to-your- iphone-application/ [3] http://mapzen.cloudmade.com/mapzen-poi-collector Hi Valent, as for myself I'm using Nokia E51 with gpsmid as my primary mapping software. Used to utilize TrekBuddy but now that I discovered beauty of vector maps and audio tagging I am using TB only when gpsmid has some real issues which leads us to its downsides. Dunno whether it's j2me implementation, hardware problem or problem with gpsmid but sometimes I have some hard time with it: bluetooth connection drops randomly (I'm using external bluetooth module), crash or freeze and I also ended up with a corrupted midlet once. But still.. I was unable to find anything better. Anyway your mileage may vary with a different phone (Sony Ericsson?). Hope it helps, joe ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
2009/11/23 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com: Things for consideration are: - onboard GPS precision - applications for GPS logging - applications for POI collection - battery life when mapping (how long can you map) Please share any experience that you have with any or even better if you had experience with both of them. I only user iPhone for a short while, and haven't even seen Android for real but I ran Android emulator via SDK to get a feel for it. Here are some of my thoughts... Android positive points: - platform on the uptake, more apps coming every day - nice POI collection app [1] - runs multiple apps at once - quite open platform Android negative points: - less apps than iPhone, both for OSM and general - not so good as multimedia player (video and audio podcasts) - a bit bigger and heavier than iPhone iPhone positive points: - lots of apps, both for OSM and general [2] - CloudMade MapZen POI collector supports for iPhone [3] - multitouch interface - great multimedia player (video and audio podcasts) - nice deal for a 2 year T-Mobile contract iPhone negative points: - runs only one app at once :( - pretty closed platform :( - quite expensive, no carrier in Croatia offers it in contract deals :( If anyone has experience with any of the two and additionally the Palm Pre, I'd love to see a comparison too, and especially if there are any OSM related apps. My experience with Pre so far: + very exact aided GPS - no un-aided GPS at all (until the protocol is reverse engineered) + pretty open OS (Linux based webOS, partially closed-source, but on some accounts it's more transparent than Android since it's all javascript) - none GPS related apps whatsoever, that I've seen (but a lot of developer uptake) + multitouch, 3D graphics accel, accelerometers, etc etc Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
On 23 Nov 2009, at 21:45, Jozef Riha wrote: Hi Valent, as for myself I'm using Nokia E51 with gpsmid as my primary mapping software. Used to utilize TrekBuddy but now that I discovered beauty of vector maps and audio tagging I am using TB only when gpsmid has some real issues which leads us to its downsides. Dunno whether it's j2me implementation, hardware problem or problem with gpsmid but sometimes I have some hard time with it: bluetooth connection drops randomly (I'm using external bluetooth module), crash or freeze and I also ended up with a corrupted midlet once. But still.. I was unable to find anything better. Anyway your mileage may vary with a different phone (Sony Ericsson?). I'm using TrackMyJourney on a Sony Ericsson W995 (previously on a K850i and K750i) and haven't had a problem of bluetooth to the GPS dropping out. Note that TMJ won't work on Android (which the original poster asked about), as it is a completely different platform even so it's still Java, just not the standard J2ME that TMJ uses. Shaun ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Safari in iPhone is better for maps than Android browser o no SVG in Android browser o no multitouch in Android browser Javascript (evt.touches) o no 3d CSS in Android browser 3d css is good for fast zooming) bernhard Valent Turkovic schrieb: Hi, I'm looking for the best mobile phone for OpenStreetMap. Which mobile phone do you think is better for OpenStreetMap? Things for consideration are: - onboard GPS precision - applications for GPS logging - applications for POI collection - battery life when mapping (how long can you map) Please share any experience that you have with any or even better if you had experience with both of them. I only user iPhone for a short while, and haven't even seen Android for real but I ran Android emulator via SDK to get a feel for it. Here are some of my thoughts... Android positive points: - platform on the uptake, more apps coming every day - nice POI collection app [1] - runs multiple apps at once - quite open platform Android negative points: - less apps than iPhone, both for OSM and general - not so good as multimedia player (video and audio podcasts) - a bit bigger and heavier than iPhone iPhone positive points: - lots of apps, both for OSM and general [2] - CloudMade MapZen POI collector supports for iPhone [3] - multitouch interface - great multimedia player (video and audio podcasts) - nice deal for a 2 year T-Mobile contract iPhone negative points: - runs only one app at once :( - pretty closed platform :( - quite expensive, no carrier in Croatia offers it in contract deals :( [1] http://maps.bigtincan.com/btc-mapper.php [2] http://blog.cloudmade.com/2009/03/19/bring-cloudmade-maps-to-your- iphone-application/ [3] http://mapzen.cloudmade.com/mapzen-poi-collector ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
2009/11/24 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com: - onboard GPS precision The iPhone has a poor GPS chip from what I've read. - a bit bigger and heavier than iPhone There is more than one phone that runs Android, some are very similar in weight/size to the iPhone, also some have a physical keypad which is much much more useful that soft keypads. - multitouch interface I've had multitouch running on Android and I didn't find it that useful, and a motorola handset being launched in Europe with Android will have multitouch, Android isn't a single phone and different phones have different features. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
2009/11/24 andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com: If anyone has experience with any of the two and additionally the Palm Pre, I'd love to see a comparison too, and especially if there are any OSM related apps. My experience with Pre so far: Is there a GSM version of the Pre yet? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPhone vs Android - OSM shootout
Am Dienstag 24 November 2009 03:49:42 schrieb John Smith: 2009/11/24 andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com: If anyone has experience with any of the two and additionally the Palm Pre, I'd love to see a comparison too, and especially if there are any OSM related apps. My experience with Pre so far: Is there a GSM version of the Pre yet? yes. I got mine yesterday :-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
