[OSM-talk] introducing localities in wikipedia

[RB]

I just discovered the wikidata project and felt like contributing and
adding wikidata tags to OSM objects. However, as I discovered that
localities (such as Javerne )
aren't mostly covered by wikipedia articles, I created a few. This led to
all the 3 localities pages I had created being deleted by the wikipedia
moderators.

Is it like an official policy and if yes is it still worth to link
localities to orphan wikidata objects?
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Re: [OSM-talk] introducing localities in wikipedia

[Stefano]

2016-11-14 15:11 GMT+01:00 RB :

> I just discovered the wikidata project and felt like contributing and
> adding wikidata tags to OSM objects. However, as I discovered that
> localities (such as Javerne )
> aren't mostly covered by wikipedia articles, I created a few. This led to
> all the 3 localities pages I had created being deleted by the wikipedia
> moderators.
>
> Is it like an official policy and if yes is it still worth to link
> localities to orphan wikidata objects?
>

Can you link to the deleted article?
Is this locality "notable" (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability)?

In my opinion it is worth to add entries to wikidata, with triples
describing them properly as you did. In the future if the object can't have
a proper article it could still have a placeholder (
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ArticlePlaceholder).

But Wikidata is going to be useful to other projects other than Wikipedia.

Regards,
Stefano



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Re: [OSM-talk] introducing localities in wikipedia

[Rod Bera]

Hi,

what did you put into your wikipedia page?

If they were nearly empty maybe the moderator decided they had no
pertinence (hence deletion). Which is odd anyway.

Maybe you should put more contents and/or get in touch with the moderators.

Please keep me informed of your findings on the issue.
Indeed I believe there is a strong interest in link OSM data to
wikidata... and link wikidata to wikipedia and other resources.

Regards,

Rod


On 14/11/16 15:11, RB wrote:
> I just discovered the wikidata project and felt like contributing and
> adding wikidata tags to OSM objects. However, as I discovered that
> localities (such as Javerne
> ) aren't mostly covered by
> wikipedia articles, I created a few. This led to all the 3 localities
> pages I had created being deleted by the wikipedia moderators.
> 
> Is it like an official policy and if yes is it still worth to link
> localities to orphan wikidata objects?
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] introducing localities in wikipedia

[Rory McCann]

On 14/11/16 15:11, RB wrote:
> I just discovered the wikidata project and felt like contributing and
> adding wikidata tags to OSM objects. However, as I discovered that
> localities (such as Javerne
> ) aren't mostly covered by
> wikipedia articles, I created a few. This led to all the 3 localities
> pages I had created being deleted by the wikipedia moderators.
> 
> Is it like an official policy and if yes is it still worth to link
> localities to orphan wikidata objects?

Hi. So obviously this is really a Wikipedia issue, rather than an
OpenStreetMap issue.

But yes, IME Wikipedia does have an official "notability" policy. You
can't just put anything into Wikipedia. OSM is considerably more relaxed
in this regard. There are ways around it, like using your user sandbox
area first to flesh out the article. But it's possible that the place is
just not notable enough for Wikipedia.

Rory



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Re: [OSM-talk] introducing localities in wikipedia

[Simon Poole]

In some aspects wikipedia is completely different than OSM, for example
WP has the rule of "no original research", we on the other hand want
exactly that (via survey). Adding a WP article on an object would
require you finding citable third party sources with information on the
object, it is not enough that you've been there and have seen say a sign
is not enough.

Simon


Am 14.11.2016 um 15:11 schrieb RB:
> I just discovered the wikidata project and felt like contributing and
> adding wikidata tags to OSM objects. However, as I discovered that
> localities (such as Javerne
> ) aren't mostly covered
> by wikipedia articles, I created a few. This led to all the 3
> localities pages I had created being deleted by the wikipedia moderators.
>
> Is it like an official policy and if yes is it still worth to link
> localities to orphan wikidata objects?
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] introducing localities in wikipedia

[Michael Andersen]

Mandag den 14. november 2016 14:11:50 skrev RB:
> I just discovered the wikidata project and felt like contributing and
> adding wikidata tags to OSM objects. However, as I discovered that
> localities (such as Javerne )
> aren't mostly covered by wikipedia articles, I created a few. This led to
> all the 3 localities pages I had created being deleted by the wikipedia
> moderators.
> 
> Is it like an official policy and if yes is it still worth to link
> localities to orphan wikidata objects?

I'd say it can still be worth it  linking to wikidata items that doesn't link 
to any wikipedia articles and in fact I regularly do this (example: 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q27827666).

For me as an OSM editor one advantage of this is that if anything unfortunate 
happens to the OSM counterpart (in my experience not entirely unlikely), 
chances are that the wikidata item will still be around to help make it easy 
to recreate it as well as remind you whenever you run a search for wikidata 
items over the area in JOSM.

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Re: [OSM-talk] introducing localities in wikipedia

[Rory McCann]

On 15/11/16 10:11, Simon Poole wrote:
> In some aspects wikipedia is completely different than OSM, for example
> WP has the rule of "no original research", we on the other hand want
> exactly that (via survey).

Exactly. There's a very good wiki page for Wikipedians explaining some
of the differences:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Welcome_to_Wikipedia_users






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