Re: [OSM-talk] mapping hypotheticals with OSM, e.g., for public charrettes?

2011-03-08 Thread Robin Paulson
On 9 March 2011 06:58, Tom Roche  wrote:
> I like the sound of the latter option, since I'd prefer not to hafta
> setup a separate system. But again, I don't know enough about OSM to
> implement that. Where would I go to learn?

a good start for all development-related items:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Develop

also, asking lots of questions on the dev ml (after you've read the
relevant bits from above!)

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Re: [OSM-talk] mapping hypotheticals with OSM, e.g., for public charrettes?

2011-03-08 Thread Tom Roche

Tom Roche Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 10:27 AM
>>> The NC GIS list was just queried for

 a Mapping Program that will allow users to map out specific places,
 routes, and areas for such things as Planning Charrettes, Surveys,
 or any other method of getting citizen's input more interactively?

Richard Fairhurst Mon, 7 Mar 2011 08:04:10 -0800 (PST)
>> you should set up your own OSM install on your local server, and seed
>> it with the existing OSM data. You can then use the usual tools to
>> talk to this rather than to osm.org. There's lots of documentation

:-) Unfortunately, I'm at the level of OSM expertise such that I want
one document about this usecase (which might then point to others for
subtasks), and I'm not seeing that.

>> or you can ask on the d...@openstreetmap.org list.

I'll try that: one presumes folks need to know how to setup local
instances for testing, and that therefore someone has documented the
process.

Richard Weait Mon, 7 Mar 2011 11:15:52 -0500
> First find the editing program that you want your public to use.

Which would you suggest for one-off use by "the general public" at a
meeting? Ease of first use is obviously stressed over functionality.

> Then segregate your OSM base map from your scratchpad area for your
> planning.

Makes sense, but I dunno how to implement that. Where to go to learn?

> You can create your own OSM stack and run it locally.
> Or simply capture the .osm files locally.

I like the sound of the latter option, since I'd prefer not to hafta
setup a separate system. But again, I don't know enough about OSM to
implement that. Where would I go to learn?

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Re: [OSM-talk] mapping hypotheticals with OSM, e.g., for public charrettes?

2011-03-07 Thread Richard Weait
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Tom Roche  wrote:
>
> How best to use OSM to "map" non-existent features for planning
> purposes, e.g., for public charrettes? (Apologies if this is a FAQ, but
> a brief search of
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FAQ
>
> and of the lists via
>
> http://www.google.com/custom?sa=Google+Search&domains=lists.openstreetmap.org&sitesearch=lists.openstreetmap.org
>
> found nothing I wanted, which may be due to poor search terms.) The NC
> GIS list was just queried for
>
>> a Mapping Program that will allow users to map out specific places,
>> routes, and areas for such things as Planning Charrettes, Surveys, or
>> any other method of getting citizen's input more interactively?
>
> Another lister immediately suggested OSM, as do I, but I'm unsure how
> best to do prospective or hypothetical mapping.

Hmmm.

First find the editing program that you want your public to use.  Then
segregate your OSM base map from your scratchpad area for your
planning.  Then publish your reference works as they are created and
discussed.

As Richard Fairhurst said, you won't contribute that fictional data to
OpenStreetMap.  You can create your own OSM stack and run it locally.
Or simply capture the .osm files locally.  You could capture
background images (responsibly please! no scraping.) then edit over
them with graphics tools or even pen and paper.

Publishing your works is simplest if you license your proposal maps
CC-By-SA as your OSM base maps will be CC-By-SA.  If not, include your
licensing details as well as "Base map image © OpenStreetMap and
Contributors CC-By-SA" with links for the OSM web site and CC-By-SA
license page.

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Re: [OSM-talk] mapping hypotheticals with OSM, e.g., for public charrettes?

2011-03-07 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Tom Roche wrote:
> How best to use OSM to "map" non-existent features for planning
> purposes, e.g., for public charrettes?

This shouldn't be mapped in the main OpenStreetMap database. OSM is for
mapping real, verifiable locations, not hypotheticals.

Rather, you should set up your own OSM install on your local server, and
seed it with the existing OSM data. You can then use the usual tools to talk
to this rather than to osm.org. There's lots of documentation on the wiki,
or you can ask on the d...@openstreetmap.org list.

cheers
Richard



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[OSM-talk] mapping hypotheticals with OSM, e.g., for public charrettes?

2011-03-07 Thread Tom Roche

How best to use OSM to "map" non-existent features for planning
purposes, e.g., for public charrettes? (Apologies if this is a FAQ, but
a brief search of

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FAQ

and of the lists via

http://www.google.com/custom?sa=Google+Search&domains=lists.openstreetmap.org&sitesearch=lists.openstreetmap.org

found nothing I wanted, which may be due to poor search terms.) The NC
GIS list was just queried for

> a Mapping Program that will allow users to map out specific places,
> routes, and areas for such things as Planning Charrettes, Surveys, or
> any other method of getting citizen's input more interactively?

Another lister immediately suggested OSM, as do I, but I'm unsure how
best to do prospective or hypothetical mapping.

Your assistance is appreciated, Tom Roche 

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