Re: [OSM-talk] "reconverting" google mapmakers
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Ivan Garcia wrote: > I woudn't call it spamming cause we are not selling frigerators or viagra to > google map makers, IMHO mass or semi-mass mailing people that didn't subscribe to your mailing list is borderline spam, even if you're asking for help in saving the lives of innocent children, and even if you do it so on a mailing list on helping other children (thus probably interested in the topic) -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' homepage: http://www.trueelena.org email: elena.valha...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] "reconverting" google mapmakers
Ivan Garcia wrote: > those that > didn't want to participated instead they gave their opinions why they > don't like OSM which is a good feedback to learn and improve. Do share... David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] "reconverting" google mapmakers
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Would there not be a considerable outcry if Map Maker activists were to > mass e-mail OSM contributors telling them about the existence of Map Maker > and its advantages over OSM? > > Suggested reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_imperative > I woudn't call it spamming cause we are not selling frigerators or viagra to google map makers, experience makes me say that 8 of 10 google map makers I've contacted they didn't have no idea about the OSM map project and they are interested in helping with their data, those that didn't want to participated instead they gave their opinions why they don't like OSM which is a good feedback to learn and improve. Best Regards. Ivan. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] "reconverting" google mapmakers
Hi, Ivan Garcia wrote: > what I meant with my proposal is not any sort of an agreesive email to the > mapmaker users or anything like that. It's just a message telling them the > existence of OSM, their advantages over Google Maps (availability of the > nodes, open source license, good for tourism, good for local business, etc) Would there not be a considerable outcry if Map Maker activists were to mass e-mail OSM contributors telling them about the existence of Map Maker and its advantages over OSM? Suggested reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_imperative Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] "reconverting" google mapmakers
> I think you guys can do the same, let's try to let know the google > mapmakers > that there is a project similar of what they are doing named OpenStreetMap > where their efforts will not be closed later by any company or similar. > I think that there is a certain problem with 'cold calling' anybody on the internet raises the immediate questions are 'what's in it for you' or 'am I being scammed'. Contacting people is great, but you should have at least something in common and should expect to share data. Personally I've taken two recent actions on this sort of thing: 1). Local person here in Calgary is promoting adding footways/cycleways to Google to improve routing. So I emailed promoting OSM and asking to swap data (offering the stuff I have personally collected under suitable licensing). 2). ATV group in Crowsnest Pass. I've just emailed the group to let them know that there's a new version of OSM/Garmin GPS map which they can download and share. Hopefully this will peak their interest to get involved and add/correct trails in the Pass. The key is to tread softly and don't come over too heavy Cheers, Simon. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] "reconverting" google mapmakers
--- On Tue, 7/7/09, Sam Vekemans wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap#History > I'm looking forward to seeing New Zealand fully > complete. (It looks like it will be done faster than > Canada though :( ... with the LINZ data, and other other > stuff. I'd sort of expect NZ to be done before AU and CA using GPS only methods simply due to population to land area, AU and CA are both huge land masses with sparsely populated areas. > From 1 person mapping in an area.. it grows exponentially > as more people see the value and potential in the map... > they add it. :) Yes... Everything works in theory :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] "reconverting" google mapmakers
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:30 AM, John Smith wrote: > > > gmap people, 'cause Google already knows our map is > > better. > > Maybe in your area, but speaking from experience Australia is very poorly > mapped out except for metro areas. There is large areas that look empty but > really aren't, there is back roads all over the place, they just haven't > been mapped out for the most part. > Sorry, I meant metro areas. ..where in few years the rest of it will be filled in. > > The reasons for the lack of mapping is Australian Government not releasing > maps made with public funding, poor resolution sat imagery and lack of > people and/or resources to map them out with GPS. > And yup, inch by inch, meter by meter, the OpenSource Geo movement is CERTAINLY getting stronger. :) And were still a baby in growth. August 2008 50,000 users, March 2009 100,000 users. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap#History I'm looking forward to seeing New Zealand fully complete. (It looks like it will be done faster than Canada though :( ... with the LINZ data, and other other stuff. And im looking at that list of Potential Resources is getting bigger all the time. >From 1 person mapping in an area.. it grows exponentially as more people see the value and potential in the map... they add it. :) I could go on, but that would be even more off topic. .. i'll do so on my journal instead :) I look forward to seeing how SOTM 09 goes. Just looking at the http://www.stateofthemap.org/ programme, looks like a tonne of great info, which im sure will be exciting for everyone. Cheers, Sam Vekemans Across Canada Trails P.S. I also want the map completed yesterday :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] "reconverting" google mapmakers
> gmap people, 'cause Google already knows our map is > better. Maybe in your area, but speaking from experience Australia is very poorly mapped out except for metro areas. There is large areas that look empty but really aren't, there is back roads all over the place, they just haven't been mapped out for the most part. The reasons for the lack of mapping is Australian Government not releasing maps made with public funding, poor resolution sat imagery and lack of people and/or resources to map them out with GPS. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] "reconverting" google mapmakers
Hi all, what I meant with my proposal is not any sort of an agreesive email to the mapmaker users or anything like that. It's just a message telling them the existence of OSM, their advantages over Google Maps (availability of the nodes, open source license, good for tourism, good for local business, etc) After writing to let's say 10 people , I realized that only 1 if 10 knew OSM and that person had tried long time ago (3 years ago). What i mean is that most of them they used Google Maps because they are willing to contribute but they didn't know any other option. These guys have the spirit of OSM mappers, so you don't need to convince them why they should map, they are already very motivated to. Best Regards. Ivan. On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:17 AM, Sam Vekemans wrote: > Oh this is a good one. :) -i had to add my 2 sence. > > OSM is already better than gmaps :) anyway, our aim is not to convince > gmap people, 'cause Google already knows our map is better. > What we can do is be printing out the map and giving it out to > bikeshops, hotels, tourist offices for free. > My guess is that in 2 years time, we will have most of the planet > covered, and google will be able to can NavTeq. > The only reason that they cant right now, is because OSM is not > complete enough. -agreed? > > 'cause right now, we need all 3 -users; mappers and developers. > As we all know that its only after the basic things get mapped that > more people join in. > > Happy Mapping! > Sam Vekemans > Across Canada Trails > > On 7/6/09, Aun Yngve Johnsen wrote: > > On 06/07/2009, at 21:04, Chris Browet wrote: > >> > >> By scrolling the map you'll realize that in the bottom-right side of > >> the screen will appear the top contributors and if you are lucky > >> they will have a google profile where you can send them a email, or > >> contact them trough their blog, google picassa, etc > >> > >> > >> How good the intent, I'm not convinced by the means... > >> > >> - Chriis - > > I have to agree with Chris, this sounds like an offensive against a > > competitor. Doesn't mapmaker have some sort of community or other > > where we can advertise our existence and let people themselves decide > > if it is worth moving over or not? Emailing active contributors > > directly is not the way. > > > > > > Regards > > Aun Johnsen > > > > > > ___ > > talk mailing list > > talk@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > > -- > Twitter: @Acrosscanada > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] "reconverting" google mapmakers
Oh this is a good one. :) -i had to add my 2 sence. OSM is already better than gmaps :) anyway, our aim is not to convince gmap people, 'cause Google already knows our map is better. What we can do is be printing out the map and giving it out to bikeshops, hotels, tourist offices for free. My guess is that in 2 years time, we will have most of the planet covered, and google will be able to can NavTeq. The only reason that they cant right now, is because OSM is not complete enough. -agreed? 'cause right now, we need all 3 -users; mappers and developers. As we all know that its only after the basic things get mapped that more people join in. Happy Mapping! Sam Vekemans Across Canada Trails On 7/6/09, Aun Yngve Johnsen wrote: > On 06/07/2009, at 21:04, Chris Browet wrote: >> >> By scrolling the map you'll realize that in the bottom-right side of >> the screen will appear the top contributors and if you are lucky >> they will have a google profile where you can send them a email, or >> contact them trough their blog, google picassa, etc >> >> >> How good the intent, I'm not convinced by the means... >> >> - Chriis - > I have to agree with Chris, this sounds like an offensive against a > competitor. Doesn't mapmaker have some sort of community or other > where we can advertise our existence and let people themselves decide > if it is worth moving over or not? Emailing active contributors > directly is not the way. > > > Regards > Aun Johnsen > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] "reconverting" google mapmakers
On 06/07/2009, at 21:04, Chris Browet wrote: > > By scrolling the map you'll realize that in the bottom-right side of > the screen will appear the top contributors and if you are lucky > they will have a google profile where you can send them a email, or > contact them trough their blog, google picassa, etc > > > How good the intent, I'm not convinced by the means... > > - Chriis - I have to agree with Chris, this sounds like an offensive against a competitor. Doesn't mapmaker have some sort of community or other where we can advertise our existence and let people themselves decide if it is worth moving over or not? Emailing active contributors directly is not the way. Regards Aun Johnsen ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] "reconverting" google mapmakers
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Chris Browet wrote: > How good the intent, I'm not convinced by the means... Agreed, it is a bit of "hardsell". What we need to do is show them what we can do with the data. In the Philippines, the best case would be how to load them in their GPS-enabled phones. Here's what a Gmapmaker contributor said when he stumbled upon OSM-PH Garmin GPS map. " I recently searched a whole hog over the internet on how to get a GPS map of the Philippines that works on Microsoft Windows Mobile. I stumbled and downloaded your file, and knowing Garmin Mobile XT is installable for Windows Mobile I was able to see your work done. Bravo to all!!! the best way I can help is editing open street map, and hoping I can get updates on your data in the future. I contributed a number of places to Google Mapmaker, but this would not be useful as they export user edits to their Google Maps Software, before we can use their data on the road, we need to pay for an unlimited mobile internet on the road to update data of Google Maps Mobile. Seeing your efforts I will be repeating my work from Google Mapmaker to Open Street Map and keep you posted when my jobs are done. For now, I will edit Bulacan. "" -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] "reconverting" google mapmakers
> By scrolling the map you'll realize that in the bottom-right side of the > screen will appear the top contributors and if you are lucky they will have > a google profile where you can send them a email, or contact them trough > their blog, google picassa, etc > > How good the intent, I'm not convinced by the means... - Chriis - ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] "reconverting" google mapmakers
Hi all, as an OSM evangelizer I realize that convincing people that has not too much interest on GIS to join the OSM army is a bit difficult, that's why I had the idea of going to the http://www.google.com/mapmaker site and contact by mail the contributors and try to convince them to join the OSM idea. By scrolling the map you'll realize that in the bottom-right side of the screen will appear the top contributors and if you are lucky they will have a google profile where you can send them a email, or contact them trough their blog, google picassa, etc In an afternoon I was able to find a group of 6 ecuatorians very interested in tracing streets(they were google map makers of course) that didn't know anything about OSM and that didn't know that Google is taking advantage of their efforts that they do for free. Most of them are very interested in OSM and they just need a bit of help of how to start. I think you guys can do the same, let's try to let know the google mapmakers that there is a project similar of what they are doing named OpenStreetMap where their efforts will not be closed later by any company or similar. Best Regards. Ivan Garcia. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
