Re: [OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 60, Issue 157

2009-08-25 Thread James Livingston
On 25/08/2009, at 9:37 AM, Roy Wallace wrote:
 What is everyone's preference? I quite like the relation described at:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Relation:type%3Dstop

 In fact, that relation avoids the need to split the way at the
 junction if the stop sign applies in both directions along the way
 through the junction.

I like the idea of that, but think it might be better if the member  
ways had roles like 'stop' or 'give_way'. I know several intersections  
which have both Stop and Give Way signs, so being able to use a single  
flow-control relation to represent both of them would be nice.

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Re: [OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 60, Issue 157

2009-08-24 Thread Martin Norbäck
 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:54:00 +1000
 From: Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop
        in      favour of Key:stop
 To: Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk
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 On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Lester Caineles...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
 That's right. There's two acceptable approaches to dealing with this:

 1) use a relation to relate the way and intersection - for this, I see
 nothing wrong with
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Relation:type%3Dstop

 or

 2) use a way and an implicit reference to a node to relate the way and
 intersection - this is what David is proposing here:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:stop

 The implicit reference to a node is in the form of
 at_first_node/at_last_node, etc.

Using a relation has some advantages:
* it connects the stop requirement to the junction node (you can look
at the junction node to see that there is a stop requirement)
* if the way leading to the junction is split/reversed, the relation
still works (although it will have two way members, so it's slightly
broken)

With the current editors, it's not hard to add relations, and a stop
relation is almost self evident how it works when viewing it, but the
tags proposed for the way needs to be looked up to be understandable.

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Re: [OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 60, Issue 157

2009-08-24 Thread Roy Wallace
2009/8/25 Martin Norbäck mar...@norpan.org:

 Using a relation has some advantages:
 * it connects the stop requirement to the junction node (you can look
 at the junction node to see that there is a stop requirement)
 * if the way leading to the junction is split/reversed, the relation
 still works (although it will have two way members, so it's slightly
 broken)

 With the current editors, it's not hard to add relations, and a stop
 relation is almost self evident how it works when viewing it, but the
 tags proposed for the way needs to be looked up to be understandable.

Yep. On the other hand, tagging a way has an advantage: it avoids the
need to add a relation.

What is everyone's preference? I quite like the relation described at:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Relation:type%3Dstop

In fact, that relation avoids the need to split the way at the
junction if the stop sign applies in both directions along the way
through the junction.

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