Re: [OSM-talk] Introductions, and Icons?:

[OJ W]

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Austin Martin wrote:
> Also, does OSM need a collective icon set, because by looking at this:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features. It seems like just a random
> mishmash of icons, but maybe I'm wrong on this.. However if I'm right, I
> would love to work on this to create a similar stylized icon set custom for
> OSM (and projects using OSM data..).

Browsing through http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:NewImages
you see people uploading all sorts of icons, but as tiny bitmap images
rather than SVG.  It would be nice to have someone organising it all
into one place so you didn't have to go searching over SVN to find
icons.

Wikimedia seems to be trying too:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Map_symbols

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Re: [OSM-talk] Introductions, and Icons?:

[Roeland Douma]

First of all welcome! Always good to see new members of our ever growing 
community :)

If you want to buy a GPS you might want to go with a Garmin since then you can 
use OSM maps, which is awesome. However there are people here that know a lot 
more about GPSes, which to buy, which to avoid. Also by searching on the wiki 
you can find a lot of stuff.

According to you question about icons, OSM is, almost, complete anarchy. So 
someone things of something creates an icon and it is done. So feel free to 
create new images, a collective icon set would be awesome since it would 
improve the overall look and feel of the map. Also maybe day/night icons etc 
could be possible for navigation software or something.

I am not aware of any group in particular working on this, but I could be 
wrong, so I guess it would be best to just create a place on the wiki and 
start uploading nice (vector) images.

Regards,
--Roeland

On Saturday 08 August 2009 01:35:29 Austin Martin wrote:
> Hey my name is Austin Martin, I recently got registered on OpenStreetMap
> (wiki and map), because I heard about it on FLOSS Weekly, Wednesday (though
> I have volunteered to help FLOSS projects for a while now, know how most
> work, and have heard about/visited the site before). So I thought I might
> introduce myself and ask a few questions.
>
> What is a recommended GPS (low lost, but with average features), or
> commonly used one with the people of OSM?
>
> Also, does OSM need a collective icon set, because by looking at this:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features. It seems like just a
> random mishmash of icons, but maybe I'm wrong on this.. However if I'm
> right, I would love to work on this to create a similar stylized icon set
> custom for OSM (and projects using OSM data..).
>
> Finally if someone can please inform me on any current projects related to
> art or promotion, because that's generally what I like to contribute.
> (Though of course mapping will be done..)
>
> I guess that's all, hopefully I can make some nice contributions to OSM,
> Austin Martin



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Re: [OSM-talk] Introductions, and Icons?:

[Austin Martin]

Hello, OJ, Roeland, all

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Roeland Douma  wrote:

> If you want to buy a GPS you might want to go with a Garmin since then you
> can
> use OSM maps, which is awesome. However there are people here that know a
> lot
> more about GPSes, which to buy, which to avoid. Also by searching on the
> wiki
> you can find a lot of stuff.


Yea, I looked around the wiki, just the page that is used to inform you
about buying a GPS (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GPS_Reviews) was just
a bit too overwhelming. As apposed to something like this:
http://www.bestinclass.com/digital-cameras, which makes the process a bit (a
lot) easier. So I thought I might try to ask here.

According to you question about icons, OSM is, almost, complete anarchy. So
> someone things of something creates an icon and it is done. So feel free to
> create new images, a collective icon set would be awesome since it would
> improve the overall look and feel of the map. Also maybe day/night icons
> etc
> could be possible for navigation software or something.


Thanks, that answers my 2nd question nicely.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 9:47 AM, OJ W  wrote:

> Browsing through http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:NewImages
> you see people uploading all sorts of icons, but as tiny bitmap images
> rather than SVG.  It would be nice to have someone organising it all
> into one place so you didn't have to go searching over SVN to find
> icons.


Yea I intend to create the collection using Inkscape, and upload the
collection with SVG source and rendered PNGs of 32, 24, and 16 sizes. Also I
will make a wiki page once I get substantial progress. I'm intending to make
the collection somewhat follow
Tango!Icon
Guidelines, because the style guidelines really do make the icons look
nice.

I have created a list of what I'm going to try to create, please add/change,
sort the list how you think it should be, or just make comments at the
bottom. The list is located here:

http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AXYd3_GKYmbBZGhwMjlkY3pfNWM2dzd6d2Ny&hl.

Finally, I have attached a traffic light (16, 24, 36 pngs) for input,
hopefully you all like it. (They follow this in a way when it comes to
naming:
http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html
.)

Austin Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] Introductions, and Icons?:

[Liz]

On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, Roeland Douma wrote:

> If you want to buy a GPS you might want to go with a Garmin since then you
> can use OSM maps, which is awesome. However there are people here that know
> a lot more about GPSes, which to buy, which to avoid. Also by searching on
> the wiki you can find a lot of stuff.

while the Garmin ones can use OSM maps, the chips they are still using is not 
the newest and best
so it is harder to get a fix
My newest logger can actually get a fix inside my house, which was constructed 
with a near complete Faraday cage design, although a fix takes much longer 
than the 30 secs it needs outside.
Yesterday I stuck it to the top of my point-and-shoot camera 
as that is my favourite recording item.

the other benefit over the Garmin with too many buttons is that after it 
looses a fix no user input is required to restart logging

using i-887 from Transcend i-blue series, sold as photoMate.
it's not on the wiki yet, the wiki crashed the night I was going to add it

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Re: [OSM-talk] Introductions, and Icons?:

[Apollinaris Schoell]

>
>
> while the Garmin ones can use OSM maps, the chips they are still using is
> not
> the newest and best
> so it is harder to get a fix
> My newest logger can actually get a fix inside my house, which was
> constructed
> with a near complete Faraday cage design, although a fix takes much longer
> than the 30 secs it needs outside.
> Yesterday I stuck it to the top of my point-and-shoot camera
> as that is my favourite recording item.
>

Garmin has some big benefits. they have rugged outdoor devices and the
support for maps worldwide  is superior. now with osm and mkgmap even
better.
If you don't need these features they are pretty lame compared to many other
devices
depends on your priorities.



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> the other benefit over the Garmin with too many buttons is that after it
> looses a fix no user input is required to restart logging
>
> using i-887 from Transcend i-blue series, sold as photoMate.
> it's not on the wiki yet, the wiki crashed the night I was going to add it
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Re: [OSM-talk] Introductions, and Icons?:

[Richard Fairhurst]

Austin Martin wrote:
> Also, does OSM need a collective icon set, because by looking at 
> this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features. It seems 
> like just a random mishmash of icons, but maybe I'm wrong on this.

OSM is about the data, it's up to individual clients to decide what icons
they want to use.

The Map_Features icons, as a set, aren't actually used by anything AFAIK.
Certainly they wouldn't be used by anyone with a ounce of cartographic
self-respect. ;)

cheers
Richard
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Re: [OSM-talk] Introductions, and Icons?:

[Brian Quinion]

On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> Austin Martin wrote:
>> Also, does OSM need a collective icon set, because by looking at
>> this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features. It seems
>> like just a random mishmash of icons, but maybe I'm wrong on this.

There are various icon sets.  I'd suggest you have a further look at
what is available, if only for inspiration:

http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/share/map-icons/
http://www.sjjb.co.uk/mapicons/SJJBMapIconsv0.03/recoloured/
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Icon

There is also an icons set used by Potlatch and cloudmade which I
believe has an svg base (although I've only ever seen png renderings -
does anyone have a link to a source?)

If you want to create a nice consistent set of icons I'm sure it would
be welcome but as Richard said it is up to each developer to decide
what they want to use for their application.

--
 Brian

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