Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap cheat mug now available

2009-12-03 Thread Aleš Janda
Hi,

OpenStreetMap mug is amazing! Do you plan to produce it also in bigger size?
I think cca 0.5 l, some one like 
http://www.eshop-pro.cz/img/p/5830-8430-thickbox.jpg :-)

Current mug is too small for common every-day use (at least for me) and it's 
pity but if bigger mug would be available, I would like to buy it :-)

Aleš


 > Hi,

 > a German company specialising in Open Source paraphernalia has
 > produced an OpenStreetMap "cheat mug" in the tradition of the popular
 > "vi mug" that you can see on many geek desks.

 > The mug boasts 179 of the most important OSM tags (plus a somewhat fake
 > "amenity=mug, access=private") and is dishwasher safe. Here is a picture:

 > http://www.openstreetmap.de/fan-artikel/tasse-big.png

 > Here are two happy customers:

 > http://www.openstreetmap.de/fan-artikel/osm-tasse-kaeufer-froscon.jpg

 > and here's the full design (spoiler warning):

 > http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/images/osm-mug-preview.png

 > I don't earn anything from the mug sales, but FOSSGIS e.V. (the soon to
 > be German OSMF chapter...) does: Each mug costs 7.50 EUR to the end
 > user, and 1.30 EUR of each sale go to FOSSGIS.

 > They do international sales and shipping (you can order the mug online
 > here: http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/product_info.php?products_id=112)
 > but shipping individual mugs is prohibitively expensive. If there is
 > interest in the international community then it would probably be best
 > if people would pool orders. Their online shop is a bit quirky if you
 > use the English interface - contact me offlist if there is a problem and
 > I'll check with them.

 > Bye
 > Frederik

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap cheat mug now available

2009-09-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/17 Frederik Ramm :
> Hi,
> Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>>
>> Don't they have to release it in CC-BY-SA as it is content from the
>> wiki?
>
> Don't know if it is content from the Wiki. Could just as well be content
> from the OSM book ;-)
>
> If you are of the opinion that the design must be released CC-BY-SA then
> write to them. Using the design without their permission just because you
> *think* that the design should be under a different license is probably not
> a good idea. They are nice people and they won't sue you but it isn't right.
>

as I was already pointing out: I'm not interested in copying their
work, I would simply buy a mug from them or make my own design ;-)

cheers,
Martin

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap cheat mug now available

2009-09-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi,

Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> Don't they have to release it in CC-BY-SA as it is content from the
> wiki? 

Don't know if it is content from the Wiki. Could just as well be content 
from the OSM book ;-)

If you are of the opinion that the design must be released CC-BY-SA then 
write to them. Using the design without their permission just because 
you *think* that the design should be under a different license is 
probably not a good idea. They are nice people and they won't sue you 
but it isn't right.

Bye
Frederik



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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap cheat mug now available

2009-09-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/17 Frederik Ramm :
> Hi,
>
> Valent Turkovic wrote:
>> Could we get this image in original vector format?
>> http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/images/osm-mug-preview.png
>>
>> I would like to make it myself, and skip shipping charges to Croatia,
>> which are probably more than the mug itself.
>
> I have spoken to them and they would really prefer to sell the mugs they
> have had made instead of releasing the mug design for everyone to make
> their own. Which is understandable given the considerable investment
> (these mugs are not print-on-demand inkjet mugs but "real" mass
> production prints).
>
> The say that they can ship small quantities as a registered letter to
> save shipping cost - details now in English on
> http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/shipping.php.
>
> They will consider allowing individual re-prints only on a per-request
> basis i.e. you will have to contact them and tell them what you want to
> do and get their permission for it. They're not totally against it but
> if at all possible they will try to find a way to supply their mugs to
> you rather than have you make your own. Write to
> simon.bu...@kernelconcepts.de (he did the original design) if you have
> such a request.

Don't they have to release it in CC-BY-SA as it is content from the
wiki? (Besides that IMHO the pricing is fair for a good quality
long-lasting product, and I would personally buy from them instead of
making an inferior one myself). They look quite nice, though are
lacking one of the most important features: amenity=drinking_water
(*g)

cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap cheat mug now available

2009-09-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi,

Valent Turkovic wrote:
> Could we get this image in original vector format?
> http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/images/osm-mug-preview.png
> 
> I would like to make it myself, and skip shipping charges to Croatia, 
> which are probably more than the mug itself.

I have spoken to them and they would really prefer to sell the mugs they 
have had made instead of releasing the mug design for everyone to make 
their own. Which is understandable given the considerable investment 
(these mugs are not print-on-demand inkjet mugs but "real" mass 
production prints).

The say that they can ship small quantities as a registered letter to 
save shipping cost - details now in English on 
http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/shipping.php.

They will consider allowing individual re-prints only on a per-request 
basis i.e. you will have to contact them and tell them what you want to 
do and get their permission for it. They're not totally against it but 
if at all possible they will try to find a way to supply their mugs to 
you rather than have you make your own. Write to 
simon.bu...@kernelconcepts.de (he did the original design) if you have 
such a request.

Bye
Frederik


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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap cheat mug now available

2009-09-16 Thread Ulf Lamping
Frederik Ramm schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> Maning wrote:
>> Can we request permission use the design to produce mugs locally?
> 
> I will check with them and report back.
> 
> Ken wrote:
>> and to perhaps print out and laminate the design for use as a general 
>> OSM cheatsheet? ;-)
> 
> Like this: 
> http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1418629/OpenStreetMap%20cheat%20sheet.pdf ?
> 
>> btw, there is no mention of shipping charges on kernelconcepts website - 
>> the English language version of the Shipping & Returns page is blank. 
>> Something I'd imagine they need to rectify.
> 
> Told them, and they're at it already.

I've added an example section to the corresponding wiki page:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cheat_sheet#Examples

... and added the two examples I know now :-)

Regards, ULFL

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap cheat mug now available

2009-09-16 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:21:08 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote:

> Told them, and they're at it already.

Could we get this image in original vector format?
http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/images/osm-mug-preview.png

I would like to make it myself, and skip shipping charges to Croatia, 
which are probably more than the mug itself.

Cheers!

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap cheat mug now available

2009-09-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi,

Maning wrote:
> Can we request permission use the design to produce mugs locally?

I will check with them and report back.

Ken wrote:
> and to perhaps print out and laminate the design for use as a general 
> OSM cheatsheet? ;-)

Like this: 
http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1418629/OpenStreetMap%20cheat%20sheet.pdf ?

> btw, there is no mention of shipping charges on kernelconcepts website - 
> the English language version of the Shipping & Returns page is blank. 
> Something I'd imagine they need to rectify.

Told them, and they're at it already.

Bye
Frederik


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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap cheat mug now available

2009-09-16 Thread Shaun McDonald


On 16 Sep 2009, at 10:35, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:


El Miércoles, 16 de Septiembre de 2009, Łukasz Jernaś escribió:

2009/9/16 Iván Sánchez Ortega :

With this and the new hi-viz vests, we could re-launch the OSM
merchandise¶phernalia shop.


New hi-viz vests? Were and how much ;)


andy at osmfoundation.org, £10 each plus shipping.


Ideally bought in batches to distribute locally.

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap cheat mug now available

2009-09-16 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Miércoles, 16 de Septiembre de 2009, Łukasz Jernaś escribió:
> 2009/9/16 Iván Sánchez Ortega :
> > With this and the new hi-viz vests, we could re-launch the OSM
> > merchandise¶phernalia shop.
>
> New hi-viz vests? Were and how much ;)

andy at osmfoundation.org, £10 each plus shipping.


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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap cheat mug now available

2009-09-16 Thread Łukasz Jernaś
2009/9/16 Iván Sánchez Ortega :
> With this and the new hi-viz vests, we could re-launch the OSM
> merchandise¶phernalia shop.

New hi-viz vests? Were and how much ;)

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap cheat mug now available

2009-09-16 Thread Ken Guest
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:55 AM, maning sambale
wrote:

> Can we request permission use the design to produce mugs locally?
>
>
and to perhaps print out and laminate the design for use as a general OSM
cheatsheet? ;-)

btw, there is no mention of shipping charges on kernelconcepts website - the
English language version of the Shipping & Returns page is blank. Something
I'd imagine they need to rectify.


k.


> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:52 AM, Frederik Ramm 
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >a German company specialising in Open Source paraphernalia has
> > produced an OpenStreetMap "cheat mug" in the tradition of the popular
> > "vi mug" that you can see on many geek desks.
> >
> > The mug boasts 179 of the most important OSM tags (plus a somewhat fake
> > "amenity=mug, access=private") and is dishwasher safe. Here is a picture:
> >
> > http://www.openstreetmap.de/fan-artikel/tasse-big.png
> >
> > Here are two happy customers:
> >
> > http://www.openstreetmap.de/fan-artikel/osm-tasse-kaeufer-froscon.jpg
> >
> > and here's the full design (spoiler warning):
> >
> > http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/images/osm-mug-preview.png
> >
> > I don't earn anything from the mug sales, but FOSSGIS e.V. (the soon to
> > be German OSMF chapter...) does: Each mug costs 7.50 EUR to the end
> > user, and 1.30 EUR of each sale go to FOSSGIS.
> >
> > They do international sales and shipping (you can order the mug online
> > here: http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/product_info.php?products_id=112)
> > but shipping individual mugs is prohibitively expensive. If there is
> > interest in the international community then it would probably be best
> > if people would pool orders. Their online shop is a bit quirky if you
> > use the English interface - contact me offlist if there is a problem and
> > I'll check with them.
> >
> > Bye
> > Frederik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap cheat mug now available

2009-09-15 Thread maning sambale
Can we request permission use the design to produce mugs locally?

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:52 AM, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>    a German company specialising in Open Source paraphernalia has
> produced an OpenStreetMap "cheat mug" in the tradition of the popular
> "vi mug" that you can see on many geek desks.
>
> The mug boasts 179 of the most important OSM tags (plus a somewhat fake
> "amenity=mug, access=private") and is dishwasher safe. Here is a picture:
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.de/fan-artikel/tasse-big.png
>
> Here are two happy customers:
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.de/fan-artikel/osm-tasse-kaeufer-froscon.jpg
>
> and here's the full design (spoiler warning):
>
> http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/images/osm-mug-preview.png
>
> I don't earn anything from the mug sales, but FOSSGIS e.V. (the soon to
> be German OSMF chapter...) does: Each mug costs 7.50 EUR to the end
> user, and 1.30 EUR of each sale go to FOSSGIS.
>
> They do international sales and shipping (you can order the mug online
> here: http://shop.kernelconcepts.de/product_info.php?products_id=112)
> but shipping individual mugs is prohibitively expensive. If there is
> interest in the international community then it would probably be best
> if people would pool orders. Their online shop is a bit quirky if you
> use the English interface - contact me offlist if there is a problem and
> I'll check with them.
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap cheat mug now available

2009-09-15 Thread Sam Vekemans
Thats AWESOME!

Is that file available to modify with OpenOffice so to make a nice
page to go with walking papers? And with OSM atlas?

When i get some time, i'd like to work at it a little bit.

Great job!
Sam

On 9/15/09, Ken Guest  wrote:
> done.
> it's a wiki so if anyone wants to tweak what I wrote go ahead and do so...
>
> k.
>
> 2009/9/15 Iván Sánchez Ortega 
>
>> El Martes, 15 de Septiembre de 2009, Frederik Ramm escribió:
>> > a German company specialising in Open Source paraphernalia has
>> > produced an OpenStreetMap "cheat mug" in the tradition of the popular
>> > "vi mug" that you can see on many geek desks.
>>
>> amenity=mug, amazing=yes
>>
>> Could you puh-leeeaze add that at the top of
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Merchandise ??
>>
>> With this and the new hi-viz vests, we could re-launch the OSM
>> merchandise¶phernalia shop.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --
>> --
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>>
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>> compleja.
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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap cheat mug now available

2009-09-15 Thread Ken Guest
done.
it's a wiki so if anyone wants to tweak what I wrote go ahead and do so...

k.

2009/9/15 Iván Sánchez Ortega 

> El Martes, 15 de Septiembre de 2009, Frederik Ramm escribió:
> > a German company specialising in Open Source paraphernalia has
> > produced an OpenStreetMap "cheat mug" in the tradition of the popular
> > "vi mug" that you can see on many geek desks.
>
> amenity=mug, amazing=yes
>
> Could you puh-leeeaze add that at the top of
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Merchandise ??
>
> With this and the new hi-viz vests, we could re-launch the OSM
> merchandise¶phernalia shop.
>
>
> Cheers,
> --
> --
> Iván Sánchez Ortega 
>
> Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un microondas, es una herramienta
> compleja.
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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap cheat mug now available

2009-09-15 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Martes, 15 de Septiembre de 2009, Frederik Ramm escribió:
> a German company specialising in Open Source paraphernalia has
> produced an OpenStreetMap "cheat mug" in the tradition of the popular
> "vi mug" that you can see on many geek desks.

amenity=mug, amazing=yes

Could you puh-leeeaze add that at the top of 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Merchandise ??

With this and the new hi-viz vests, we could re-launch the OSM 
merchandise¶phernalia shop.


Cheers,
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