Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging dangerous areas
I am currently available for hire to survey police-state roads (following a recent success in London, see http://www.livingwithdragons.com/2009/04/high-vis-authority-and-stealth-mapping). Not sure I'm upp for rough areas yet, although being a student money and beer could tempt me. Let me know when you're ready to start mapping disaster zones ;) -Mikel___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Although I've discussed the need for public footpaths to have a tag landowner=hostile maybe with signage=dilberatly_altered... Sounds like this is cause for a mash up from another source or website(which could be set up for the purpose, or some goverment statistics etc.). Someone mentioned hot or not. I overheard on irc someone mention http://scenic.mysociety.org (which appears to be connected to geograph). I think someone was going to mash it into a heat map overlaid on OSM. Would be great if they do, otrherwise I might be tempted to. I am currently available for hire to survey police-state roads (following a recent success in London, see http://www.livingwithdragons.com/2009/04/high-vis-authority-and-stealth-mapping). Not sure I'm upp for rough areas yet, although being a student money and beer could tempt me. Gregory. 2009/4/19 D Tucny d...@tucny.com 2009/4/20 D Tucny d...@tucny.com 2009/4/20 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 5:31 PM, MP singular...@gmail.com wrote: after the wembley mapping party last year i heard suggestions of a locals=angry tag. maybe we should expand that to include locals=violent or locals=heavily_armed? What happened at the Wembley mapping party? andy and steve independently attempted to map the same road on a council estate but both decided it might not be a wise idea. no violence was done i think, just evil stares. andy actually tagged it locals=angsty, rather than angry, but there is a precedent :-) http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/27794700 I feel like I'm debating a point of order in a student union ( :-) ), but the encampment^Wstreet which Steve8 and I didn't want to map was this one, a short distance away: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/27693507 Also, if you check on the wiki, the locals=angsty is defined as implying the tag mapper=slightly_lazy and is often used on hot afternoons that bring out the worst in British council estate congregation behaviour. The tag doesn't apply during rain or winter conditions, but applies doubly shortly after football matches... After reading this thread and the comments on the diary post, I decided to see if there was any streetview there now... So, I entered Lynton Close, Wembley into the Google Maps find box and these were the first and third results... Mr T Blairhttp://maps.google.com/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=engeocode=q=lynton+close,+wembleyvps=1jsv=154csll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=50.424342,79.101563ie=UTF8latlng=42945511,-81211446,8277933314319449699ei=4FnrSaawL5OyiAO7v6nNAQcd=1 - more info »http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=engeocode=q=lynton+close,+wembleyvps=1jsv=154csll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=50.424342,79.101563ie=UTF8latlng=42945511,-81211446,8277933314319449699ei=4FnrSaawL5OyiAO7v6nNAQcd=1 10 Downing Crescent, London, ON N6C, Canada - +44 7866 607197Unverified listing Write a reviewhttps://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=localhl=ennui=1continue=http://maps.google.com/maps%3Ff%3Dq%26source%3Ds_q%26hl%3Den%26geocode%3D%26q%3Dlynton%2Bclose,%2Bwembley%26vps%3D1%26jsv%3D154c%26sll%3D37.0625,-95.677068%26sspn%3D50.424342,79.101563%26ie%3DUTF8%26ei%3D4FnrSaawL5OyiAO7v6nNAQ%26dtab%3D2%26cid%3D42945511,-81211446,8277933314319449699%26iwd%3D1%26iwloc%3DA%26action%3Dopen The Committee will continue to keep all the issues covered by the Sixth Report under *close* review, while also continuing to fulfil its terms of reference by *...* cabinetoffice.gov.ukhttp://maps.google.com/local_url?q=http://archive.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/standards/publications/6th_report/correspondence/neill_blair.htmldq=lynton+close,+wembleyf=qsource=s_qoutput=jshl=engeocode=vps=1jsv=154csll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=50.424342,79.101563s=ANYYN7kCez7hisFRCZIbWnItF_cyjINxcA Gordon Brown'shttp://maps.google.com/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=engeocode=q=lynton+close,+wembleyvps=1jsv=154csll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=50.424342,79.101563ie=UTF8latlng=42945511,-81211446,1473789639052526619ei=4FnrSaawL5OyiAO7v6nNAQcd=3 - more info »http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=engeocode=q=lynton+close,+wembleyvps=1jsv=154csll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=50.424342,79.101563ie=UTF8latlng=42945511,-81211446,1473789639052526619ei=4FnrSaawL5OyiAO7v6nNAQcd=3 10 Downing Crescent, London, ON N6C, Canada - +32 2 298 75 00Unverified listing Write a reviewhttps://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=localhl=ennui=1continue=http://maps.google.com/maps%3Ff%3Dq%26source%3Ds_q%26hl%3Den%26geocode%3D%26q%3Dlynton%2Bclose,%2Bwembley%26vps%3D1%26jsv%3D154c%26sll%3D37.0625,-95.677068%26sspn%3D50.424342,79.101563%26ie%3DUTF8%26ei%3D4FnrSaawL5OyiAO7v6nNAQ%26dtab%3D2%26cid%3D42945511,-81211446,1473789639052526619%26iwd%3D1%26iwloc%3DA%26action%3Dopen I am writing this over the Christmas Break, (the copy dates are a month in advance of publication) and, as our Epetition to the Prime
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging dangerous areas
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: I don't think OSM is the place for statistics... it has been said over and over map what is on the ground. But what we should be able to do is use the OSM data to easily correlate with available statistical sources, which means things like official boundaries and so on in the OSM dataset, so if someone said that statistically, the London Borough of Barnet has less car crime than Moss Side in Manchester, then it should be able to plot those areas on a map. Whether anyone would want to build such overlays into applications like a vehicle navigation system Find the nearest on-street free parking where I'll be able to come back and still likely find all my vehicle intact.. is another matter. Not that any of this matters. Crime maps and statistics are always retrospective. Any crime figures for my street show a very low crime level, but that didn't stop my house being burgled and my car vandalised in the space of a weekend. If we can come up with a method of providing a reliable crime forecast and put it on a map, you've got a very valuable product. If you leave your bicycle here after closing time at the local pub 'The Angle Grinder's tattood arms' then it's got a 25% chance of not being there tomorrow. -- Simon Hewison ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 5:31 PM, MP singular...@gmail.com wrote: after the wembley mapping party last year i heard suggestions of a locals=angry tag. maybe we should expand that to include locals=violent or locals=heavily_armed? What happened at the Wembley mapping party? andy and steve independently attempted to map the same road on a council estate but both decided it might not be a wise idea. no violence was done i think, just evil stares. andy actually tagged it locals=angsty, rather than angry, but there is a precedent :-) http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/27794700 I feel like I'm debating a point of order in a student union ( :-) ), but the encampment^Wstreet which Steve8 and I didn't want to map was this one, a short distance away: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/27693507 Also, if you check on the wiki, the locals=angsty is defined as implying the tag mapper=slightly_lazy and is often used on hot afternoons that bring out the worst in British council estate congregation behaviour. The tag doesn't apply during rain or winter conditions, but applies doubly shortly after football matches... Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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2009/4/20 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 5:31 PM, MP singular...@gmail.com wrote: after the wembley mapping party last year i heard suggestions of a locals=angry tag. maybe we should expand that to include locals=violent or locals=heavily_armed? What happened at the Wembley mapping party? andy and steve independently attempted to map the same road on a council estate but both decided it might not be a wise idea. no violence was done i think, just evil stares. andy actually tagged it locals=angsty, rather than angry, but there is a precedent :-) http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/27794700 I feel like I'm debating a point of order in a student union ( :-) ), but the encampment^Wstreet which Steve8 and I didn't want to map was this one, a short distance away: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/27693507 Also, if you check on the wiki, the locals=angsty is defined as implying the tag mapper=slightly_lazy and is often used on hot afternoons that bring out the worst in British council estate congregation behaviour. The tag doesn't apply during rain or winter conditions, but applies doubly shortly after football matches... After reading this thread and the comments on the diary post, I decided to see if there was any streetview there now... So, I entered Lynton Close, Wembley into the Google Maps find box and these were the first and third results... Mr T Blairhttp://maps.google.com/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=engeocode=q=lynton+close,+wembleyvps=1jsv=154csll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=50.424342,79.101563ie=UTF8latlng=42945511,-81211446,8277933314319449699ei=4FnrSaawL5OyiAO7v6nNAQcd=1 - more info »http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=engeocode=q=lynton+close,+wembleyvps=1jsv=154csll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=50.424342,79.101563ie=UTF8latlng=42945511,-81211446,8277933314319449699ei=4FnrSaawL5OyiAO7v6nNAQcd=1 10 Downing Crescent, London, ON N6C, Canada - +44 7866 607197Unverified listing Write a reviewhttps://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=localhl=ennui=1continue=http://maps.google.com/maps%3Ff%3Dq%26source%3Ds_q%26hl%3Den%26geocode%3D%26q%3Dlynton%2Bclose,%2Bwembley%26vps%3D1%26jsv%3D154c%26sll%3D37.0625,-95.677068%26sspn%3D50.424342,79.101563%26ie%3DUTF8%26ei%3D4FnrSaawL5OyiAO7v6nNAQ%26dtab%3D2%26cid%3D42945511,-81211446,8277933314319449699%26iwd%3D1%26iwloc%3DA%26action%3Dopen The Committee will continue to keep all the issues covered by the Sixth Report under *close* review, while also continuing to fulfil its terms of reference by *...* cabinetoffice.gov.ukhttp://maps.google.com/local_url?q=http://archive.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/standards/publications/6th_report/correspondence/neill_blair.htmldq=lynton+close,+wembleyf=qsource=s_qoutput=jshl=engeocode=vps=1jsv=154csll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=50.424342,79.101563s=ANYYN7kCez7hisFRCZIbWnItF_cyjINxcA Gordon Brown'shttp://maps.google.com/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=engeocode=q=lynton+close,+wembleyvps=1jsv=154csll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=50.424342,79.101563ie=UTF8latlng=42945511,-81211446,1473789639052526619ei=4FnrSaawL5OyiAO7v6nNAQcd=3 - more info »http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=engeocode=q=lynton+close,+wembleyvps=1jsv=154csll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=50.424342,79.101563ie=UTF8latlng=42945511,-81211446,1473789639052526619ei=4FnrSaawL5OyiAO7v6nNAQcd=3 10 Downing Crescent, London, ON N6C, Canada - +32 2 298 75 00Unverified listing Write a reviewhttps://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=localhl=ennui=1continue=http://maps.google.com/maps%3Ff%3Dq%26source%3Ds_q%26hl%3Den%26geocode%3D%26q%3Dlynton%2Bclose,%2Bwembley%26vps%3D1%26jsv%3D154c%26sll%3D37.0625,-95.677068%26sspn%3D50.424342,79.101563%26ie%3DUTF8%26ei%3D4FnrSaawL5OyiAO7v6nNAQ%26dtab%3D2%26cid%3D42945511,-81211446,1473789639052526619%26iwd%3D1%26iwloc%3DA%26action%3Dopen I am writing this over the Christmas Break, (the copy dates are a month in advance of publication) and, as our Epetition to the Prime Minister has just *closed*, *...* sportsmansassociation.co.ukhttp://maps.google.com/local_url?q=http://www.sportsmansassociation.co.uk/%3Fp%3D25dq=lynton+close,+wembleyf=qsource=s_qoutput=jshl=engeocode=vps=1jsv=154csll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=50.424342,79.101563s=ANYYN7kQNn5Eq-2wU6NK27oX63h2kwuyfg Off topic, but, what a crazy combination of information google have put together there that I found amusing :) There's still no street view there, but, google's aerial imagery is pretty high resolution... Teleatlas seem to have it fully mapped, including a side road within the area (as seen on google), but perhaps they used the aerial imagery... Navteq, as seen on yahoo didn't seem to want to go near it and it appears made a guess at the angle and length too... d ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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2009/4/20 D Tucny d...@tucny.com 2009/4/20 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 5:31 PM, MP singular...@gmail.com wrote: after the wembley mapping party last year i heard suggestions of a locals=angry tag. maybe we should expand that to include locals=violent or locals=heavily_armed? What happened at the Wembley mapping party? andy and steve independently attempted to map the same road on a council estate but both decided it might not be a wise idea. no violence was done i think, just evil stares. andy actually tagged it locals=angsty, rather than angry, but there is a precedent :-) http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/27794700 I feel like I'm debating a point of order in a student union ( :-) ), but the encampment^Wstreet which Steve8 and I didn't want to map was this one, a short distance away: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/27693507 Also, if you check on the wiki, the locals=angsty is defined as implying the tag mapper=slightly_lazy and is often used on hot afternoons that bring out the worst in British council estate congregation behaviour. The tag doesn't apply during rain or winter conditions, but applies doubly shortly after football matches... After reading this thread and the comments on the diary post, I decided to see if there was any streetview there now... So, I entered Lynton Close, Wembley into the Google Maps find box and these were the first and third results... Mr T Blairhttp://maps.google.com/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=engeocode=q=lynton+close,+wembleyvps=1jsv=154csll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=50.424342,79.101563ie=UTF8latlng=42945511,-81211446,8277933314319449699ei=4FnrSaawL5OyiAO7v6nNAQcd=1 - more info »http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=engeocode=q=lynton+close,+wembleyvps=1jsv=154csll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=50.424342,79.101563ie=UTF8latlng=42945511,-81211446,8277933314319449699ei=4FnrSaawL5OyiAO7v6nNAQcd=1 10 Downing Crescent, London, ON N6C, Canada - +44 7866 607197 Unverified listing Write a reviewhttps://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=localhl=ennui=1continue=http://maps.google.com/maps%3Ff%3Dq%26source%3Ds_q%26hl%3Den%26geocode%3D%26q%3Dlynton%2Bclose,%2Bwembley%26vps%3D1%26jsv%3D154c%26sll%3D37.0625,-95.677068%26sspn%3D50.424342,79.101563%26ie%3DUTF8%26ei%3D4FnrSaawL5OyiAO7v6nNAQ%26dtab%3D2%26cid%3D42945511,-81211446,8277933314319449699%26iwd%3D1%26iwloc%3DA%26action%3Dopen The Committee will continue to keep all the issues covered by the Sixth Report under *close* review, while also continuing to fulfil its terms of reference by *...* cabinetoffice.gov.ukhttp://maps.google.com/local_url?q=http://archive.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/standards/publications/6th_report/correspondence/neill_blair.htmldq=lynton+close,+wembleyf=qsource=s_qoutput=jshl=engeocode=vps=1jsv=154csll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=50.424342,79.101563s=ANYYN7kCez7hisFRCZIbWnItF_cyjINxcA Gordon Brown'shttp://maps.google.com/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=engeocode=q=lynton+close,+wembleyvps=1jsv=154csll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=50.424342,79.101563ie=UTF8latlng=42945511,-81211446,1473789639052526619ei=4FnrSaawL5OyiAO7v6nNAQcd=3 - more info »http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=engeocode=q=lynton+close,+wembleyvps=1jsv=154csll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=50.424342,79.101563ie=UTF8latlng=42945511,-81211446,1473789639052526619ei=4FnrSaawL5OyiAO7v6nNAQcd=3 10 Downing Crescent, London, ON N6C, Canada - +32 2 298 75 00 Unverified listing Write a reviewhttps://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=localhl=ennui=1continue=http://maps.google.com/maps%3Ff%3Dq%26source%3Ds_q%26hl%3Den%26geocode%3D%26q%3Dlynton%2Bclose,%2Bwembley%26vps%3D1%26jsv%3D154c%26sll%3D37.0625,-95.677068%26sspn%3D50.424342,79.101563%26ie%3DUTF8%26ei%3D4FnrSaawL5OyiAO7v6nNAQ%26dtab%3D2%26cid%3D42945511,-81211446,1473789639052526619%26iwd%3D1%26iwloc%3DA%26action%3Dopen I am writing this over the Christmas Break, (the copy dates are a month in advance of publication) and, as our Epetition to the Prime Minister has just *closed*, *...* sportsmansassociation.co.ukhttp://maps.google.com/local_url?q=http://www.sportsmansassociation.co.uk/%3Fp%3D25dq=lynton+close,+wembleyf=qsource=s_qoutput=jshl=engeocode=vps=1jsv=154csll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=50.424342,79.101563s=ANYYN7kQNn5Eq-2wU6NK27oX63h2kwuyfg Off topic, but, what a crazy combination of information google have put together there that I found amusing :) There's still no street view there, but, google's aerial imagery is pretty high resolution... Teleatlas seem to have it fully mapped, including a side road within the area (as seen on google), but perhaps they used the aerial imagery... Navteq, as seen on yahoo didn't seem to want to go near it and it appears made a guess at the angle and length too... And some more info...
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging dangerous areas
Matt Amos wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Brian Quinion openstreet...@brian.quinion.co.uk wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@googlemail.com wrote: This should be tagged in a different way that uses fact instead of opinion/fiction. Perhaps by referring to crime statistics for a given boundary area. How about: i_was_violently_threatened_while_trying_to_map_this=yes Speaking from my experience of this weekend :-( after the wembley mapping party last year i heard suggestions of a locals=angry tag. maybe we should expand that to include locals=violent or locals=heavily_armed? Too vague. locals=violent would apply to much of the US... signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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This should be tagged in a different way that uses fact instead of opinion/fiction. Perhaps by referring to crime statistics for a given boundary area. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of NL Sent: 30 March 2009 3:42 AM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Tagging dangerous areas This isn't a formal proposal so much as presenting an idea. When i was booking a hotel recently for travel, a friend who knew the area advised me that it was a dangerous neighborhood. That allowed me to find a different hotel in a safer area and possibly save myself some unpleasantness. This kind of word-of-mouth knowledge is the kind of thing open projects can excel at providing. The problem, of course, is a metric for something as subjective as dangerous neighborhood. It it dangerous at 12:00 or at 01:00? Is it unsafe to park a bike/car there? Would some tagging system to indicate dangerous area be desirable, and how would it best be implemented? Cheers P ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Actually, I think this is a bad idea. Wether or not an area is dangerous is highly subjective, and will most likely result in heated edit wars. 2009/3/30 Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com On Mar 29, 2009, at 10:42 PM, NL wrote: Is it unsafe to park a bike/car there? We should mark areas of high bicycle theft, but we'd need a map to display it. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Bernt Marius Johnsen Melius vivit qui remigat ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Monday 30 March 2009 14:25:46 Bernt M. Johnsen wrote: Actually, I think this is a bad idea. Wether or not an area is dangerous is highly subjective, and will most likely result in heated edit wars. and possibly defamation/libel suits -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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El Lunes, 30 de Marzo de 2009, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) escribió: This should be tagged in a different way that uses fact instead of opinion/fiction. Perhaps by referring to crime statistics for a given boundary area. I don't think OSM is the place for statistics... it has been said over and over map what is on the ground. So, I'd either go and start up OpenCrimeDensityMap, or put that info in Wikitravel. Cheers, -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es Error 941 - CPU not found... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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There are many areas that nearly everyone agrees is unsafe, even the residents. But not all the residents would have the same opinion. But more importantly, there is a reasonable amount of subjective stuff in OSM already e.g. permissive footways across vacant land, residential vs. living_street This is different to your statement above because even though a path may not be official, I could take a person to it. Point at it, ask the question Is that a path?, and get the response Yes, every time. Regardless if your allowed to walk on it or not, it is still a path. Ciarán ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Monday 30 March 2009 16:59:25 Ciarán Mooney wrote: There are many areas that nearly everyone agrees is unsafe, even the residents. But not all the residents would have the same opinion. especially those residents who have made the area 'unsafe' - reminds me of a poster I once saw: 'O yea I will walk without fear through the valley of death because I am the meanest son of a bitch in the valley' -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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This should be tagged in a different way that uses fact instead of opinion/fiction. Perhaps by referring to crime statistics for a given boundary area. That makes sense, and it might indeed take a separate project to create regional statistics maps as some have said, or to have people rate areas and take a mean (a la that old rotten chestnut hot or not). However, since there seems to be a lot of concern over subjectivity, we could also just map what's on the ground (or not, as the case may be): chalk outlines and missing bikes, autos, and other stuff. Not nearly as useful as being able to shade a map layer according to perceived danger, though. -P Cheers Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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There are many areas that nearly everyone agrees is unsafe, even the residents. But more importantly, there is a reasonable amount of subjective stuff in OSM already e.g. permissive footways across vacant land, residential vs. living_street in countries were there's no seperate legal classification, how many segments should be used to describe a corner. And although wikipedia has many rules, a lot of it's content is subjective e.g. what is notable, when can a blog be cited. People learn to deal with it. 2009/3/30 Bernt M. Johnsen ber...@gmail.com Actually, I think this is a bad idea. Wether or not an area is dangerous is highly subjective, and will most likely result in heated edit wars. 2009/3/30 Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com On Mar 29, 2009, at 10:42 PM, NL wrote: Is it unsafe to park a bike/car there? We should mark areas of high bicycle theft, but we'd need a map to display it. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Bernt Marius Johnsen Melius vivit qui remigat ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging dangerous areas
El Lunes, 30 de Marzo de 2009, Brian Quinion escribió: How about: i_was_violently_threatened_while_trying_to_map_this=yes Speaking from my experience of this weekend :-( Oh, you mean you met the London police while taking photographs and carrying a GPS... *ducks* -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un microondas, es una herramienta compleja. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging dangerous areas
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Brian Quinion openstreet...@brian.quinion.co.uk wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@googlemail.com wrote: This should be tagged in a different way that uses fact instead of opinion/fiction. Perhaps by referring to crime statistics for a given boundary area. How about: i_was_violently_threatened_while_trying_to_map_this=yes Speaking from my experience of this weekend :-( after the wembley mapping party last year i heard suggestions of a locals=angry tag. maybe we should expand that to include locals=violent or locals=heavily_armed? cheers, matt PS: or combine with smoothness - locals=very_horrible :-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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after the wembley mapping party last year i heard suggestions of a locals=angry tag. maybe we should expand that to include locals=violent or locals=heavily_armed? What happened at the Wembley mapping party? Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 5:31 PM, MP singular...@gmail.com wrote: after the wembley mapping party last year i heard suggestions of a locals=angry tag. maybe we should expand that to include locals=violent or locals=heavily_armed? What happened at the Wembley mapping party? andy and steve independently attempted to map the same road on a council estate but both decided it might not be a wise idea. no violence was done i think, just evil stares. andy actually tagged it locals=angsty, rather than angry, but there is a precedent :-) http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/27794700 cheers, matt ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging dangerous areas
Indeed no harm done. But both Andy and I (independently) decided not to even go into the road, as others had apparently decided earlier! Discretion being definately the better part of valour in this case. Incident noted at: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Steve%20Chilton/diary/3669 Cheers STEVE -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org on behalf of Matt Amos Sent: Mon 3/30/2009 6:33 PM To: MP Cc: Talk Openstreetmap Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging dangerous areas On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 5:31 PM, MP singular...@gmail.com wrote: after the wembley mapping party last year i heard suggestions of a locals=angry tag. maybe we should expand that to include locals=violent or locals=heavily_armed? What happened at the Wembley mapping party? andy and steve independently attempted to map the same road on a council estate but both decided it might not be a wise idea. no violence was done i think, just evil stares. andy actually tagged it locals=angsty, rather than angry, but there is a precedent :-) http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/27794700 cheers, matt ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging dangerous areas
On Mar 29, 2009, at 10:42 PM, NL wrote: Is it unsafe to park a bike/car there? We should mark areas of high bicycle theft, but we'd need a map to display it. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
