Re: [OSM-talk] fixme -- by a specific date

2016-11-28 Thread Clifford Snow 
Martijn,
Following your lead, SR20 in Washington State is now closed from milepost
134 to 171 with a fixme to check in spring. I've signed up for an email to
notify me when the road is reopened. FWIW, RS20 is in my backyard. I take
it often.

What would be nice is a tag or note that had a follow up date that people
could subscribe to. It would be useful for seasonal closings, road closures
to construction, date when buildings would be added or removed, and other
date dependant events.

Clifford



On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> Simon,
>
> I'm not looking to add complexity. I'm looking to find a way to deal with
> future events that are certain to impact a feature as described in my
> original post. Basically a way to remind ourselves as a mapping community
> that a feature as it exists currently should be revisited at a fairly well
> defined point in future time. To the best of my understanding the
> opening_hours tag does not help with that. Thoughts?
>
> Martijn
>
> Martijn van Exel
> http://mvexel.github.io/
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:
>
>> I'm note quite sure why this use case wouldn't be covered by the normal
>> opening_hours specification as long as we are talking about regular
>> seasonal or month based openings/closures.
>>
>> Given that opening_hours (and the other tags that use the same
>> specification) already includes everything and the kitchen sink it doesn't
>> seem to be sensible to add to the complexity by adding yet another scheme
>> for specifying the same.
>>
>> Simon
>> On 28.11.2016 18:52, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> When mapping seasonal closures here in Utah[1] I realized I am still
>> missing a solid way to mark a road as closed for the season and then have
>> some level of confidence that someone will look at it in the spring and
>> 'reopen' it. More generally for someone to map a feature and somehow tag it
>> as needing another look by a certain date.
>>
>> I added a discussion section to the wiki[2] for the fixme tag where I
>> propose adding the fixme:by qualifier to indicate the (approximate) date by
>> which a mapper should look at the feature again.
>>
>> There should be more use cases for this. I can think of proposed or
>> under-construction features for which you may know a projected start /
>> finish date. Or semi-permanent features that you know will disappear at
>> some point. I know HOT has interest in this kind of 'lifecycle' tagging as
>> well.
>>
>> Martijn van Exel
>> http://mvexel.github.io/
>>
>> [1] A lot of fairly major roads close here for the winter, typically
>> between November and May: http://udottraffic.utah.gov/CL
>> ALertViewer.aspx?CLType=3
>> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_
>> features/Key:fixme#Revisit_by_a_certain_date
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] fixme -- by a specific date

2016-11-28 Thread Martijn van Exel 
Simon,

I'm not looking to add complexity. I'm looking to find a way to deal with
future events that are certain to impact a feature as described in my
original post. Basically a way to remind ourselves as a mapping community
that a feature as it exists currently should be revisited at a fairly well
defined point in future time. To the best of my understanding the
opening_hours tag does not help with that. Thoughts?

Martijn

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http://mvexel.github.io/

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:

> I'm note quite sure why this use case wouldn't be covered by the normal
> opening_hours specification as long as we are talking about regular
> seasonal or month based openings/closures.
>
> Given that opening_hours (and the other tags that use the same
> specification) already includes everything and the kitchen sink it doesn't
> seem to be sensible to add to the complexity by adding yet another scheme
> for specifying the same.
>
> Simon
> On 28.11.2016 18:52, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> When mapping seasonal closures here in Utah[1] I realized I am still
> missing a solid way to mark a road as closed for the season and then have
> some level of confidence that someone will look at it in the spring and
> 'reopen' it. More generally for someone to map a feature and somehow tag it
> as needing another look by a certain date.
>
> I added a discussion section to the wiki[2] for the fixme tag where I
> propose adding the fixme:by qualifier to indicate the (approximate) date by
> which a mapper should look at the feature again.
>
> There should be more use cases for this. I can think of proposed or
> under-construction features for which you may know a projected start /
> finish date. Or semi-permanent features that you know will disappear at
> some point. I know HOT has interest in this kind of 'lifecycle' tagging as
> well.
>
> Martijn van Exel
> http://mvexel.github.io/
>
> [1] A lot of fairly major roads close here for the winter, typically
> between November and May: http://udottraffic.utah.gov/
> CLALertViewer.aspx?CLType=3
> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Key:fixme#
> Revisit_by_a_certain_date
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] fixme -- by a specific date

2016-11-28 Thread Yves 
Actually, OSM is not made for real time information. 
Closing a road in autumn and open it spring? Ok it's twice a year, but you're 
not even sure you can maintain it. What about ski pistes, traffic lights,  
traffic jams? 
Yves 

Le 28 novembre 2016 20:08:58 GMT+01:00, Simon Poole  a écrit :
>I'm note quite sure why this use case wouldn't be covered by the normal
>opening_hours specification as long as we are talking about regular
>seasonal or month based openings/closures.
>
>Given that opening_hours (and the other tags that use the same
>specification) already includes everything and the kitchen sink it
>doesn't seem to be sensible to add to the complexity by adding yet
>another scheme for specifying the same.
>
>Simon
>
>On 28.11.2016 18:52, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>> Hi, 
>>
>> When mapping seasonal closures here in Utah[1] I realized I am still
>> missing a solid way to mark a road as closed for the season and then
>> have some level of confidence that someone will look at it in the
>> spring and 'reopen' it. More generally for someone to map a feature
>> and somehow tag it as needing another look by a certain date. 
>>
>> I added a discussion section to the wiki[2] for the fixme tag where I
>> propose adding the fixme:by qualifier to indicate the (approximate)
>> date by which a mapper should look at the feature again.
>>
>> There should be more use cases for this. I can think of proposed or
>> under-construction features for which you may know a projected start
>/
>> finish date. Or semi-permanent features that you know will disappear
>> at some point. I know HOT has interest in this kind of 'lifecycle'
>> tagging as well.
>>
>> Martijn van Exel
>> http://mvexel.github.io/
>>
>> [1] A lot of fairly major roads close here for the winter, typically
>> between November and May:
>> http://udottraffic.utah.gov/CLALertViewer.aspx?CLType=3
>> [2]
>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Key:fixme#Revisit_by_a_certain_date
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] fixme -- by a specific date

2016-11-28 Thread Simon Poole 
I'm note quite sure why this use case wouldn't be covered by the normal
opening_hours specification as long as we are talking about regular
seasonal or month based openings/closures.

Given that opening_hours (and the other tags that use the same
specification) already includes everything and the kitchen sink it
doesn't seem to be sensible to add to the complexity by adding yet
another scheme for specifying the same.

Simon

On 28.11.2016 18:52, Martijn van Exel wrote:
> Hi, 
>
> When mapping seasonal closures here in Utah[1] I realized I am still
> missing a solid way to mark a road as closed for the season and then
> have some level of confidence that someone will look at it in the
> spring and 'reopen' it. More generally for someone to map a feature
> and somehow tag it as needing another look by a certain date. 
>
> I added a discussion section to the wiki[2] for the fixme tag where I
> propose adding the fixme:by qualifier to indicate the (approximate)
> date by which a mapper should look at the feature again.
>
> There should be more use cases for this. I can think of proposed or
> under-construction features for which you may know a projected start /
> finish date. Or semi-permanent features that you know will disappear
> at some point. I know HOT has interest in this kind of 'lifecycle'
> tagging as well.
>
> Martijn van Exel
> http://mvexel.github.io/
>
> [1] A lot of fairly major roads close here for the winter, typically
> between November and May:
> http://udottraffic.utah.gov/CLALertViewer.aspx?CLType=3
> [2] 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Key:fixme#Revisit_by_a_certain_date
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] fixme -- by a specific date

2016-11-28 Thread Martijn van Exel 
See https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/44013342 for a tagging example.

Martijn van Exel
http://mvexel.github.io/

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> When mapping seasonal closures here in Utah[1] I realized I am still
> missing a solid way to mark a road as closed for the season and then have
> some level of confidence that someone will look at it in the spring and
> 'reopen' it. More generally for someone to map a feature and somehow tag it
> as needing another look by a certain date.
>
> I added a discussion section to the wiki[2] for the fixme tag where I
> propose adding the fixme:by qualifier to indicate the (approximate) date by
> which a mapper should look at the feature again.
>
> There should be more use cases for this. I can think of proposed or
> under-construction features for which you may know a projected start /
> finish date. Or semi-permanent features that you know will disappear at
> some point. I know HOT has interest in this kind of 'lifecycle' tagging as
> well.
>
> Martijn van Exel
> http://mvexel.github.io/
>
> [1] A lot of fairly major roads close here for the winter, typically
> between November and May: http://udottraffic.utah.gov/
> CLALertViewer.aspx?CLType=3
> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Key:fixme#
> Revisit_by_a_certain_date
>
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