Re: [Talk-br] Mesorregiões e Microrregiões do Brasil
Parabéns Blademir, ótimo trabalho! -Mensagem Original- De: Blademir Andrade de Lima blademi...@hotmail.com Enviada em: 20/05/2015 18:58 Para: talk-br@openstreetmap.org talk-br@openstreetmap.org Assunto: [Talk-br] Mesorregiões e Microrregiões do Brasil Boa noite amigos! Conclui a adição de todas as Meso e Microrregiões do Brasil (admin_level:5 e 7). A Região sudeste ja existia em grande parte, sendo só necessário alguns locais. O Distrito Federal é o único a não possuir nenhum deles. Durante o projeto corrigi algumas regiões litorâneas para que as ilhas fossem corretamente marcadas. Att, BladeTC___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Suspicion of site using OSM data without proper credits?
On 5/23/2015 1:25 PM, Anders Anker-Rasch wrote: Hi, Who do I contact regarding investigations about a site potentially using OSM data without proper credits? Best regards, Anders If you don't want to contact them yourself, you can forward the information to le...@osmfoundation.org Please include an example area which consists of non-imported data. If possible, it would be good to know - If it is CC BY-SA or ODbL data - If they are using a commercial provider for their maps - Any contact information - Anything else you found out ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[Talk-it] Strade con name=alt_name
Vi segnalo che ci sono alcune way (poche in realtà) che hanno il name esattamente identico all'alt_name, magari il mappatore voleva veramente inserire due nomi diversi ma si è sbagliato oppure ha pensato che il name fosse sbagliato e non si è accorto dell'alt_name, però sono troppi da contattare per me solo, se volete controllare se c'è ne è qualcuna nella vostra zona qui trovate l'elenco: http://www.forsi.it/node/149 -- Daniele Forsi ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Squelettisation
Ça a été testé et écarté pour la voirie. Mais pas testé pour les cours d'eau. Je suis cependant septique. À noter que Carthage est disponible : https://www.data.gouv.fr/fr/datasets/bd-carthage-onm/ Le 23/05/2015 20:02, Jérôme Amagat a écrit : Une idée comme çà (qui a peut être été déjà réfléchi et écarté) : (sachant que je suis incapable de faire quoi que se soit si c'est possible et une bonne idée) Il était possible a un moment d’intégrer les rivières obtenu grâce au cadastre, ce n'est plus possible car c’était mal fait par les contributeur. C'était l'ajout de polygone représentant les riverbank des rivières et autres rus. Si l'on pouvait transformé ces polygones en ligne représentant la rivière comme fait là : http://ageoguy.blogspot.fr/2010/12/squelettisation.html (je sais pas si c'est possible dans notre cas et si les résultat seront rapide à obtenir et de bonne qualité) l'integration serait plus utile et moins problématique (il resterait quand même du travail pour la personne qui l’intègre à osm à cause de la continuité au niveau des ponts par exemple). la même chose pourrait être fait pour les routes : avec le travail fait pour sortir les adresses du cadastre, on doit pouvoir obtenir un polygone pour le réseau routier de la commune. Avec si l'on peut le squelettiser, on obtient presque toutes les routes et chemins d'une commune reste plus qu'a intégrer ça. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[Talk-it] (senza oggetto)
scusate ma i dati wikipedia come si inseriscono così tipo chiave wikipedia valore it:Chiesa di Sant'Anastasia (Verona) o così tipochiave wikipediavalore http://it.wikipedia.or=g/wiki/Arche_scaligere con tutto collegamento internet grazie___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-at] Straßenbahnen
Am Samstag, den 23.05.2015, 13:04 +0200 schrieb Friedrich Volkmann: On 23.05.2015 12:27, Michael Maier wrote: und das Tiles@Home Projekt eingeschlafen war. Das war nicht eingeschlafen, das hat bis zuletzt bestens funktioniert, und ich hab nie einen Aufruf gesehen, dass mehr Leute gebraucht werden sich zu beteiligen. Es gab auf diversen Listen die Ankündigung [1], dass die ETH Zürich keine Lust mehr hat, Server und Datenverkehr zu betreiben. Da hätte sich jemand melden können, der einen Nachfolger betreiben und betreuen wollte/konnte. Wirklich gut funktioniert hat es zum Schluss allerdings nicht mehr. Das Problem war nicht die Anzahl, sondern die Leistung der Renderer. Unsere Innenstädte lagen ziemlich lange in der Warteschlange, bis sich ein kräftiger Client fand, der sie rendern konnte. Entweder wurden sie aufgrund zu grosser Komplexität gar nicht erst angenommen oder der Client lief in Speicher- und Zeitlimits und gab den Job zurück. Grüße, Max [1] https://www.mail-archive.com/tilesathome@openstreetmap.org/msg06184.html ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-it] problemi su mappatura
Perché non gli scrivi in inglese? E un esempio sarebbe utile. Al limite dammi il tuo testo e ti faccio da tramite Volker 2015-05-23 21:22 GMT+02:00 makakk...@vodafone.it makakk...@vodafone.it: Ciao a tutti; in settimana ho fatto un giro diverso dal solito e sulla mappa ho trovato parecchie tracce di sentieri che nascono dal nulla e nel nulla finiscono. Mi sembra siano stati tracciati pezzi di sentiero che spuntano dal bosco sulle ortofoto. Keepright me li segnala come errore e in effetti non mi sembrano utili e nello stesso tempo sul navigatore da bici fanno parecchia confusione. Ho mandato una mail al mappatore per chiedere spiegazioni,purtroppo è tedesco e non capisce l'italiano per cui chiedo aiuto a Voi,se va bene mappare così mi adeguo,altrimenti se qualcuno potesse parlarci gli sarei grato,perchè non mi piace toccare il lavoro di altri senza avvertire. La zona mappata è sopra Bagni di Lucca,intorno al monte Battifolle. Grazie. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] (senza oggetto)
Il giorno 23 maggio 2015 20:19, beppebo...@libero.it beppebo...@libero.it ha scritto: scusate ma i dati wikipedia come si inseriscono così tipo chiave wikipedia valore it:Chiesa di Sant'Anastasia (Verona) o così tipochiave wikipediavalore http://it.wikipedia.or=g/wiki/Arche_scaligere con tutto collegamento internet Tra le due meglio la prima versione. Addirittura nel caso di oggetti 'famosi' sarebbe utile metterlo come wikipedia:it=Arche_scaligere così dai la possibilità anche agli stranieri di inserire il proprio tag. Oppure (meglio da certi punti di vista) puoi inserire il corrispettivo Wikidata, così non si pensa più all'internazionalizzazione wikidata=Q2253540 (ovvero https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2253540) grazie Ciao, Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[OSM-legal-talk] Suspicion of site using OSM data without proper credits?
Hi, Who do I contact regarding investigations about a site potentially using OSM data without proper credits? Best regards, Anders___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-ja] sourceタグの運用について (Was: fixme)
いいだ さん 英語ML その他肌感覚も含め いいださんの認識も詳しくありがとうございます。 私が他のマッパーさんの変更セットの情報をを見たり、 地物についてるソースを見たりしたときに感じた疑問点がほぼ網羅されているように思います。 また、英語のML等で話題が盛り上がり、ソースへの記述を減らそうという動きがありましたら 追従したいと思います。 で、自分はソース今後どう書いていこうかな…という結論は出ませんが 作業する地域、タイミング、ソース同士の重要度の差などによって、柔軟にやっていきたいと思います。 引き続き異なった見解をお持ちの方などおられましたらご意見いただければと思います。 centree - Original Message - From: Satoshi IIDA nyamp...@gmail.com To: Muarkami Oki oki_aic...@yahoo.co.jp; OpenStreetMap Japanese talk talk-ja@openstreetmap.org Date: 2015/5/22, Fri 22:53 Subject: [OSM-ja] sourceタグの運用について (Was: fixme) いいだです。 スレッドを改めました（失敗してたらごめんなさい） sourceタグの運用について（インポートに限らず）ですが、 改めて sourceタグの wikiページを読み直しました。 すみません、「必ず書き換える」という感じではないですね。 列挙する形式でも、書き換えでも、どちらでもよいようです。 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:Key:source 「使用方法 (How to use)」の項目です。 ただ、英語MLを読んでいて、僕の肌感覚の部分も混ざってしまうのですが、 以下の部分の感覚が違っているのだと感じています。 * そもそも sourceタグは、CC-BYなどの出典明示要請に対する完全な対応方法とはなり得ない * sourceタグはあくまで、「他マッパーに対する、オブジェクトの情報正確性の度合いの伝達手段」である * sourceとして利用した情報元のデータは、変更セットへのsourceタグ付与で行う方法も可能である。 これによって、データベース全体として容量削減が可能となる。 * なおかつ、オブジェクトに対して紐づく変更セットの履歴は、永久に不変な状態で残るため、個々の編集における正確性の変動は、オブジェクトの履歴を逐一投入することを容易にし、それを手がかりにして情報を追うほうが、より正確に状況を辿ることができる * オブジェクトに対するタグ付けよりも、変更セットに都度付与された情報を追うことにより、どの情報が、どの変更セットで、どの情報を元に変更されたのか、を追跡するには、変更セットをもとにしたほうが参照しやすい、あるいは十分ではないか？という考えがある (飯田私見: ここに大きく異論はあると思います。ただ、今後、バージョンが20や30になったオブジェクトのことを考えると、合理的であるとも感じています) * CC-BYなどのデータをインポートする場合に要求される「出典明示」は基本的に、「変更セットへのsourceタグ付与」で行う (飯田推測: これは主に、OSMデータベース全体としての容量の圧縮のため) * ただし、データインポートの出典明示を行う場合においてすら、変更セットへの表記を間違ってしまうこともある。 * そのため、インポートにあたっては専用アカウントを作成し、さらにOSM wikiおよびOSM.orgの著作権解説ページにおいて、利用する情報の詳細を解説することを強く推奨する。これにより、その編集アカウントに紐づくデータの由来に対する追跡可能性をできる限り高めるようにしている。 * iDエディタは初心者ユーザによる利用が圧倒的多数である。 * そのため、オブジェクトあるいは変更セットへの正確な記入は、漏れが多くなる、という判断がある。 * その対応として、 imagery_used タグを変更セットに自動付与することにより、追跡不可となる可能性を低減している。 * (飯田認識) なお上記は、OSMF本家などでの会議の末の 決定事項 ではない。 なお、インポートにおいて、オブジェクトへの sourceタグが許諾され、行われている例もあると認識しています。 ただしその場合は、「クエリなどで調査を行うため、○○のようにつかう」のように、用途が明確に利用されていたりする場合、と認識しています。 （エボラ熱の対応におけるインポートなど） それから、国土地理院やYahoo/ALPSデータの利用運用についてです。 Yahoo/ALPSとの過去の情報を追ってみましたが、出展明示方法を含め、運用については特に定める記載が無いようです。 当時はデータを利用するに際して、OSM側での運用にもとづいて、オブジェクトへのsourceタグ付与、という形でインポートが行われたという認識です。 （当時は変更セットへのsourceタグ付与という概念が無かった） 国土地理院 (地理院地図、基盤地図情報) や、国交省 (国土数値情報・位置参照情報) の利用については、出典明示が要請されています。 ただ、その明示方法についてはOSM側に任されています。 また、出典明示における現在の運用がどのようになっているか (オブジェクトあるいは変更セットへのタグ付与) は、説明を実施しており、ご理解をいただいているという認識です。 以上、僕の認識が間違っている可能性も大きいかと思います。 ご意見いただければ幸いです。 -- Satoshi IIDA mail: nyamp...@gmail.com twitter: @nyampire ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Code Fantoir sur deux communes
je ne sais pas si ce rendu est utilisé ou pas, je fais une mise a jour apres mes corrections Le vendredi 22 mai 2015 à 11:16 +0200, Frédéric Rodrigo a écrit : Le 22/05/2015 09:04, Francescu GAROBY a écrit : Merci pour cette carte, déjà fort pratique ! Puis-je me permettre de proposer quelques améliorations futures ? * pouvoir marquer qu'un point a été corrigé ; * proposer les modifications à apporter (en se basant sur les noms et codes FANTOIR des voies censées être là) et regrouper tout ça dans un bouton fix-josm ; pour fix-josm : je ne pense pas que cela soit possible car les corrections sont trop différentes: - way qui a été decoupé , le name est erroné sur ce morceau, pas de name a mettre - way qui a été decoupé , le name est erroné sur ce morceau, au moins un autre name a mettre (decoupage du way) - le name est ok mais l'emprise est beaucoup trop longue - valeur maxspeed présente fausse car way trop long et traverse des villes - ref non présent (route500) - way associé a relation adresse - name reellement faux (mauvaise localisation), apres vérification sur cadastre image - tracé anguleux, ajout de node, decoupage way pour les ponts - je sais pas si c'est bon ou pas Ces 2 points reprenant en fait le fonctionnement que l'on peut déjà rencontrer avec Osmose. Ça ressemble tellement à Osmose que ça pourrait bien aller dans Osmose ;) +1 Avec Didier on a travaillé sur les way nommé sur plusieurs communes, c'est la même chose à faire. Donc le travail pour intégration dans Omsose déjà en cours. Toute aide est la bine venu, y comprit un push request de code ;). Voir talk-dev-fr Frédéric. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[Talk-at] Straßenbahnen
In der Transport Map sind die Wiener Straßenbahnen nicht mit Nummern bezeichnet. (Die Autobuslinien komischerweise schon.) Ich weiß nicht, ob das ein Tagging- oder ein Renderingfehler ist, aber irgendwas gehört da gemacht (im letzteren Fall zumindest ein Bugreport), denn ohne die Liniennummern ist mit der Karte nichts anzufangen. -- Friedrich K. Volkmann http://www.volki.at/ Adr.: Davidgasse 76-80/14/10, 1100 Wien, Austria ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
[Talk-GB] Cities: Skylines - Openstreetmap data
Has anyone played with this, It seems to be getting good press https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=416064574 Cheers Bob ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-at] Straßenbahnen
On 23.05.2015 12:27, Michael Maier wrote: Dann gäbe es auf der Hauptseite überhaupt keine Karte, denn der Standard-Stil ist genauso proprietär. Nein, das stimmt nicht (mehr). Der Stil steht inzwischen unter CC-0 und ist öffentlich verfügbar¹. [1] https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto Hab ihn selbst schon mehrmals für diverse Projekte verwendet/verändert. Höchstens eine Kopie davon, denn in Carto hat nur einer das Sagen, nämlich der selbe Andy Allen wie von der Transport Map. Die Hauptgründe waren, dass es inzwischen technisch leicht möglich war die ganze Welt mit einem Tileserver zu rendern Warum hat man es dann nicht gemacht? Was ist das für ein Vorwand? Man kann bei einem Umzug doch nicht das alte Haus abreißen, solang noch kein neues bezugsfertig ist. und das Tiles@Home Projekt eingeschlafen war. Das war nicht eingeschlafen, das hat bis zuletzt bestens funktioniert, und ich hab nie einen Aufruf gesehen, dass mehr Leute gebraucht werden sich zu beteiligen. Abgesehen davon bekam man als kartografisch versierter Betrachter von dem Stil Augenkrebs ;-) Geschmackssache. Die Karte hatte viele Vorteile gegenüber dem Mapnik-Layer, u.a. mehr Details, lesbarere Schrift... -- Friedrich K. Volkmann http://www.volki.at/ Adr.: Davidgasse 76-80/14/10, 1100 Wien, Austria ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge
On 23/05/15 13:41, David Earl wrote: I'm not sure about the UK company registration number as an ID I was suggesting the formal legal name. I just added the RC number for completeness. Of course this also means that references to University of Cambridge as operator, would need to be replaced by The Chancellor, Masters, and Scholars of the University of Cambridge. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge
I've just been looking at operator tags on amenity=university. The first point is that 600+ are not tagged with operator. Secondly, *university hospitals*, such as Addenbrookes cause problems. In practice most buildings in university hospitals are NHS owned operated (I got round this at QMC Nottingham because the medical school is in a discrete part of the building) with only some parts being university proper (mainly some teaching research facilities). I doubt for instance if the East Anglian Blood Transfusion Centr http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/52161480e is a university particularly as the operator is given as National Blood Service. Addenbrookes only does clinical teaching so is different from QMC. However there are plenty of 'University Hospitals' which are pure NHS establishments but which do some teaching. IMO Addenbrookes should be tagged operator=Cambridge University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust. As an addendum the Addenbrookes campus raises another issue: there are at least 3 hospitals on site (Addenbrookes itself, the Rosie the new Papworth). The campus as a whole and the individual hospitals can all be tagged as amenity=hospital, which I would regard as valid tagging, because the campus and its constituent elements are different things so not violating one tag one element. This is a broader problem related to one element is part of a bigger whole. Either way I would avoid the multiple hospital icons as Addenbrookes is currently shown. A third problem are *associated research institutes*. For instance on the Nottingham main campus is the MRC Institute of Hearing Research. This is in a dedicated building built in the early 1980s, presumably with MRC funds, but on UoN land. Similarly I'm not sure of the status of the LMB on the Addenbrookes site: in the past this was wholly owned operated by the MRC (I could ask, I knew the current director when I was an undergrad, and met him again last year): certainly most staff had fairly limited university connections, although more senior ones often got college fellowships, and junior ones did a bit of teaching. (As an aside, Wolfson House, where the OSM servers are located used to more complicated: UCL ran out of money building it so get the MRC to chip in and the MRC in turn had a lease on the top two floors, as well as another unit on the 1st floor. The latter unit was embedded in the university Genetics department, the other units were not). (There is a little used tags amenity=research_institution or research_institution=yes for these; as someone who spent a significant part of my career in such places I dislike them being neglected). Obviously federated institutions cause particular problems with a single operator tag. These obviously include such places as Oxford, Cambridge, London (and perhaps less relevant now University of Wales, and in the more distant past Durham (Newcastle) and St Andrews (Dundee), but also National University of Ireland. David's use of Institution (Federation) is about the best one can do for now, but it may well be worth thinking about how to address this with a more formal tag. I'm sure many other non-university examples will come to mind. So what can we do: 1. Add operator tags to existing amenity=university elements 2. Develop some consensus ideas about mapping of university hospitals multi-hospital campuses 3. Think about some tags to manage federated bodies (perhaps just federated_operator would do. Cheers, Jerry On 22 May 2015 at 14:49, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 May 2015 at 14:27, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Andy, the operator tags are all the same, not the building names. No, they really aren't. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/148247775 - Churchill College (University of Cambridge) http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/12861651 - University of Cambridge http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/98523431 - Clare College (University of Cambridge) But also the assertion within a few dozen miles is wrong, as for Nottingham in China. Read what I said, please: If there were two objects tagged as universities with identical names within a few dozen miles, I could make a guess they are the same university and write some rendering rules to suit. I make no assertion that all parts of the same university are within a dozen miles. I hope you realise that your tagging (using tags that imply 1200 different universities) is causing problems, and think what could I do to help other people rather than I don't want to change anything. Thanks, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] leisure=pitch
On Sat, 23 May 2015, Dave F. wrote: leisure=pitch to indicate just the pitches That's how it's used--IIRC there was a presentation at SOTM in Birmingham showing a rendering automatically drawing in all the line detail based on the size of the outline and the sport=... situations with two 'pitches' on top of each other. Happens all the time; cricket overlapped with baseball or soccer, tennis with five-a-side. -Paul ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-in] [Press] Crowdsourcing to map road network in Kerala
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/crowdsourcing-to-map-road-network-in-kerala/article7238824.ece Crowdsourcing to map road network in Kerala T. Nandakumar To monitor movement of school buses, LPG tankers, taxis, and autorickshaws Aid agencies and volunteers deployed in Nepal after the devastating earthquake on April 25 depended on a community-driven mapping initiative for crisis response and relief work. Thousands of OpenStreetMap (OSM) volunteers from across India and other parts of the world helped provide detailed and accurate maps of roads, villages, and buildings in the affected areas to help relief organisations locate people at risk and deliver goods and services to the needy. This crowdsourced mapping project will soon be used to track vehicles on the roads in Kerala. The International Centre for Free and Open Source Software (ICFOSS) and the Centre for Development of Advanced Computing (CDAC) are embarking on a project commissioned by the Transport Department to map the road network in Kerala using OSM. “In the first phase, the OSM maps will be used to track 16,000 private buses plying the road network,” says Transport Commissioner R. Sreelekha. The system will enable officials manning a master control room in Thiruvananthapuram to detect speeding and time and route violations. The vehicles will be fitted with a GPS locator-cum-communication device. “We have plans to monitor the movement of school buses, LPG tankers, taxis, and autorickshaws in a phased manner,” Ms. Sreelekha said. OSM involves crowdsourcing to create data for mapping. The field data generated by volunteers including students will be supplemented with satellite imagery to create detailed maps. The OSM allows free downloading of all data and permits free use under a FOSS licence. The pilot project will be implemented in Kozhikode where the district administration has already taken up a crowdsourced initiative to map waterbodies and garbage disposal sites. While most of the PWD roads in Kerala have been mapped, secondary roads are not yet charted. “We need basic mapping information for the whole State for a variety of applications. Commercial service providers charge heavily for the data while the OSM approach is cost effective,” explains P.M. Sasi, Associate Director, CDAC. “The OSM initiative has the potential to provide accurate, updated information, once the network of volunteers is in place,” says Satish Babu, Director, ICFOSS. “The data created under the project will be available under a Free Data licence, making it the foundation for numerous development initiatives and disaster response plans. In that sense, it will be a sustainable investment for the future,” he said. ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-at] Straßenbahnen
nebulon42 schrieb: Ein weiteres Beispiel: Andy war immer gegen neue Icons und doch habe ich es geschafft einige neue einzubringen, sogar Icons für Geschäfte. Hmm, heißt das, es besteht wieder Hoffnung für Dinge wie dieses: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/705 KaiRo ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] Straßenbahnen
Am 2015-05-23 um 14:10 schrieb Robert Kaiser: Hmm, heißt das, es besteht wieder Hoffnung für Dinge wie dieses: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/705 Es kommt natürlich auf die konkrete Sache an, aber grundsätzlich glaube ich es besteht Hoffnung für alles. Siehe auch was imagico im deutschen Forum geschrieben hat: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=484393#p484393 Selbst das leidige Thema mit Tags, die sich nicht in der Rendering-Datenbank befinden, sollte sich innerhalb des nächsten halben Jahres lösen (hoffentlich bin ich nicht zu optimistisch). Trotzdem wird es immer noch genug Dinge geben, wo man sich dazu entschließen muss genau das nicht zu rendern. Warum nichts weiterging lag bisher daran, dass alles an einer Person (Andy) hing, das hat sich aber seit dem Jahreswechsel geändert. Mittlerweile ist die Entwicklungsgeschwindigkeit sogar relative hoch, würde ich sagen. Trotzdem braucht es immer Leute die Pull Requests einbringen. nebulon42 ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge
Addenbrooke's Hospital in Cambridge is most definitely operated by NHS. However, there is a medical school which is part of the University which is on the same site, among several other University departments and labs, and increasingly private companies, Astra Zeneca is building a large new facility here currently [1]. This is collectively called the Cambridge Biomedical Campus[3]. There are also places within the main hospital where the university has a presence, but does not operate or occupy the building. For University search purposes, I have put nodes on the map where these occur (I've used the same technique where the University has a room or office within a larger building that is not theirs). There is a problem having 'operator=Magdalene College' and similar rather than operator='Magdalene College (University of Cambridge)', putting aside the way we currently use these for the University of Cambridge, in that there is more than one Magdalene College (Oxford has one, and others named like Cambridge's, and there may well be others, and I'm sure that happens elsewhere as well. While this may not be avoidable for operators worldwide in general, it helps differentiate in this case at least. David [1] here: http://map.cam.ac.uk/#52.173728,0.137372,16,52.173326,0.132480 [2] e.g. http://map.cam.ac.uk/Division+of+Anaesthesia#52.174966,0.141980,18 [3] http://map.cam.ac.uk/Cambridge+Biomedical+Campus#52.174848,0.139145,15 On Sat, 23 May 2015 at 11:29 SK53 sk53@gmail.com wrote: I've just been looking at operator tags on amenity=university. The first point is that 600+ are not tagged with operator. Secondly, *university hospitals*, such as Addenbrookes cause problems. In practice most buildings in university hospitals are NHS owned operated (I got round this at QMC Nottingham because the medical school is in a discrete part of the building) with only some parts being university proper (mainly some teaching research facilities). I doubt for instance if the East Anglian Blood Transfusion Centr http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/52161480e is a university particularly as the operator is given as National Blood Service. Addenbrookes only does clinical teaching so is different from QMC. However there are plenty of 'University Hospitals' which are pure NHS establishments but which do some teaching. IMO Addenbrookes should be tagged operator=Cambridge University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust. As an addendum the Addenbrookes campus raises another issue: there are at least 3 hospitals on site (Addenbrookes itself, the Rosie the new Papworth). The campus as a whole and the individual hospitals can all be tagged as amenity=hospital, which I would regard as valid tagging, because the campus and its constituent elements are different things so not violating one tag one element. This is a broader problem related to one element is part of a bigger whole. Either way I would avoid the multiple hospital icons as Addenbrookes is currently shown. A third problem are *associated research institutes*. For instance on the Nottingham main campus is the MRC Institute of Hearing Research. This is in a dedicated building built in the early 1980s, presumably with MRC funds, but on UoN land. Similarly I'm not sure of the status of the LMB on the Addenbrookes site: in the past this was wholly owned operated by the MRC (I could ask, I knew the current director when I was an undergrad, and met him again last year): certainly most staff had fairly limited university connections, although more senior ones often got college fellowships, and junior ones did a bit of teaching. (As an aside, Wolfson House, where the OSM servers are located used to more complicated: UCL ran out of money building it so get the MRC to chip in and the MRC in turn had a lease on the top two floors, as well as another unit on the 1st floor. The latter unit was embedded in the university Genetics department, the other units were not). (There is a little used tags amenity=research_institution or research_institution=yes for these; as someone who spent a significant part of my career in such places I dislike them being neglected). Obviously federated institutions cause particular problems with a single operator tag. These obviously include such places as Oxford, Cambridge, London (and perhaps less relevant now University of Wales, and in the more distant past Durham (Newcastle) and St Andrews (Dundee), but also National University of Ireland. David's use of Institution (Federation) is about the best one can do for now, but it may well be worth thinking about how to address this with a more formal tag. I'm sure many other non-university examples will come to mind. So what can we do: 1. Add operator tags to existing amenity=university elements 2. Develop some consensus ideas about mapping of university hospitals multi-hospital campuses 3. Think about some tags to manage federated bodies
Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge
On 22 May 2015 at 14:58, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Yes, the operator tags are the same when it is the same institution - the colleges are independent institutions, part of the larger federation. Is it necessary to show the college = university relationship in OSM? If we tag one (set of) structures as King's College, and another as Peterhouse, won't that suffice? Another approach would be to label each college with the equivalent Wikidata identifier: King's College = Q924289 (resolves to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q924289 ) Peterhouse = Q650068 (resolves to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q650068 ) Wikidata then shows each as an instance of a college of the University of Cambridge (Q1055028) (Whatever approach we take; there is benefit in including Wikidata IDs.) -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge
Indeed, they would need unique IDs of some kind for this to work globally. I nearly said that in that mail. I would probably prefer that in a different tag that wasn't actually usually presented to a human reader, and I'm not sure about the UK company registration number as an ID, because not all operators are companies and it'#s UK specific. A URL as an ID might be OK though, as those must belong to the organisation in question. Though they are always subject to change. On Sat, 23 May 2015 at 13:36 David Woolley for...@david-woolley.me.uk wrote: On 23/05/15 12:02, David Earl wrote: There is a problem having 'operator=Magdalene College' and similar rather than operator='Magdalene College (University of Cambridge)' Although I think, where operator is used at all, it is largely used with a loose choice of name, in this case, if you want an unambiguous name for use in the UK, simply use the formal name of the royal charter company, i.e. Magdalene College Cambridge and Magdalene College Oxford (company numbers RC000333 and RC000334 respectively), rather than a name based on their trading name. Legally these are the legal names of the entities that own and operate the land in question. Companies house actually use monocase, so the capitalisation is arbitrary. If you want globally unique names, I think you need an additional tag to indicate the namespace (England or Wales registered company, in this case). Note that the name attribute is generally the trading as name, which is also consistent with the what is on the ground principle. If you actually used the company name for most MacDonalds people would find it very confusing, as a lot of them are franchises run by companies with MacDonalds nowhere in their name. For operator, I would expect to see the legal entity. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge
On 23/05/2015 12:49, David Earl wrote: I'm sure there are many ways of doing this, but that is what I did. This thread seems determined to undermine the University of Cambridge map by wanting to change everything it relies on. Those who add/amend data to OSM do so to make it the most accurate database possible. You appear to be against change because it would affect the University of Cambridge map. This is tagging for the renderer is to be discouraged. I did spend a long time thinking about how to do it at the beginning of the project, and did publish the details then. Reorganising it dramatically four years on for the sake of it would probably mean U of C abandoning OSM as being too costly to maintain. A days work? I'm in the process of updating PROWS from the way I initially tagged them to the newer, agreed method as it improves the quality of the database. Extra work for me, but worth it for the good of OSM. David Fox --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-it] Uniformiamo i beach resort ?
Ok, sto inviando i messaggi. Perdonate una domanda: uno dei tag è stato aggiunto dall' utente mcheckimport: è un utente o un'utenza particolare ? Grazie FabC 2015-05-22 9:37 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Am 22.05.2015 um 09:27 schrieb Aury88 spacedrive...@gmail.com: ti sembrano applicati agli tessi elementi mappati come leisure=beach_resort o hanno delle particolarità? visto che sono solo 9 casi cercherei di contattare gli autori uno per uno ciao Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- *Fabrizio* ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-at] Straßenbahnen
On 23/05/15 10:53, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: In der Transport Map sind die Wiener Straßenbahnen nicht mit Nummern bezeichnet. Wenn du den Transport-Layer auf osm.org meinst - ja das ist so. Sie werden nicht nur nicht benummert, sonder garnicht gerendert - besonders schlimm ist das in Graz, da das die Realität des ÖPNV-Netzes komplett verzerrt, viel besser macht das zB die deutsche ÖPNV-Karte¹ [1] http://www.öpnvkarte.de/?zoom=13lat=47.06879lon=15.43741layers=TBTTT (Die Autobuslinien komischerweise schon.) Ich weiß nicht, ob das ein Tagging- oder ein Renderingfehler ist, aber irgendwas gehört da gemacht (im letzteren Fall zumindest ein Bugreport), Das ist ein persönlicher Stil von Andy Allen - wiedermal Closed Source :-/. Bugreports wohl wiedermal nur an ihn persönlich. denn ohne die Liniennummern ist mit der Karte nichts anzufangen. Ich find auch, dass eine ÖPNV-Karte ohne Bims eher nicht zu gebrauchen ist. lg, Michi -- Michael Maier, Student of Telematics @ Graz University of Technology OpenStreetMap Graz http://osm.org/go/0Iz@paV http://wiki.osm.org/Graz http://wiki.osm.org/Graz/Stammtisch signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge
Hi Going minorly off on a tangent - One item I would change is leisure=pitch which current represents whole areas of sports grounds to leisure=recreation_ground, have leisure=pitch to indicate just the pitches (ie the white lines of a football pitch). Currently there are situations with two 'pitches' on top of each other. http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/51.40868/-2.37860 David Fox On 22/05/2015 14:58, David Earl wrote: Yes, the operator tags are the same when it is the same institution - the colleges are independent institutions, part of the larger federation. This is part of the complexity of this. I'm not arguing I don't want to change anything, just that there's too much gratuitous change which breaks real, existing products because of hypothetical futures.The wiki analogy is wrong here I think - that's the content. It's much more an API, as I think you were essentially agreeing, and people go to great lengths to try to maintain backward compatibility, only deprecating things when they absolutely have to. And it's not so much me not wanting to change things, of course change happens, it's random, arbitrary, incompatible change that is such a problem to deal with. Dan's not arguing for that, and I've already said I'll look at it and see what's involved. But not today! On Fri, 22 May 2015 at 14:49 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com mailto:gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 May 2015 at 14:27, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com mailto:da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Andy, the operator tags are all the same, not the building names. No, they really aren't. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/148247775 - Churchill College (University of Cambridge) http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/12861651 - University of Cambridge http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/98523431 - Clare College (University of Cambridge) But also the assertion within a few dozen miles is wrong, as for Nottingham in China. Read what I said, please: If there were two objects tagged as universities with identical names within a few dozen miles, I could make a guess they are the same university and write some rendering rules to suit. I make no assertion that all parts of the same university are within a dozen miles. I hope you realise that your tagging (using tags that imply 1200 different universities) is causing problems, and think what could I do to help other people rather than I don't want to change anything. Thanks, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] leisure=pitch
Hi Paul I think you've missed my point... On 23/05/2015 12:21, Paul Sladen wrote: On Sat, 23 May 2015, Dave F. wrote: leisure=pitch to indicate just the pitches That's how it's used--IIRC there was a presentation at SOTM in Birmingham showing a rendering automatically drawing in all the line detail based on the size of the outline and the sport=... I'm talking about leisure=pitch being misused to represent leisure=recreation_ground situations with two 'pitches' on top of each other. Happens all the time; cricket overlapped with baseball or soccer, tennis with five-a-side. Yes, I know; as indicated with the linked example I provided. Cheers Dave F. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-at] Straßenbahnen
Höchstens eine Kopie davon, denn in Carto hat nur einer das Sagen, nämlich der selbe Andy Allen wie von der Transport Map. Nein, das ist mittlerweile obsolet. Andy bringt sich kaum noch bei osm-carto ein, wohl aus Zeitmangel. Nur bei größeren Änderungen wird er meist konsultiert. Pull Requests werden mittlerweile von den drei weiteren Maintainern Matthijs Melissen, Paul Norman und Mateusz Konieczny bearbeitet, die trauen sich noch nicht alles aber immer mehr. Ein weiteres Beispiel: Andy war immer gegen neue Icons und doch habe ich es geschafft einige neue einzubringen, sogar Icons für Geschäfte. Man sollte ihn also nicht als bösen Buben hinstellen. Welche Stile auf der Hauptseite eingebunden werden, liegt auch daran wieviel Last die Rendering-Server für diese Stile vertragen können und Andys Server schaffen das offenbar. Außerdem gibt es leider keine Alternativen, denn die ÖPNV-Karte ist auch nicht frei verfügbar. Trotzdem hätte ich gerne auf der Hauptseite nur freie Stile, aber da müsste sich zuerst jemand finden, der sowas entwickelt und diese frei zur Verfügung stellt. Einen Stil zu entwicklen ist ein Haufen Arbeit und offenbar wollen alle, die hier was draufhaben die guten Stile nicht freigeben. Der Lyrk-Stil wird demnächst wohl frei werden, mal sehen. nebulon42 ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] Straßenbahnen
Nach Vergleich mit öpnvkarte.de würde ich auf Renderingfehler tippen. Soweit ich weiß steht die Verkehrskarte mit schienengebundenen Linien sowieso auf Kriegsfuß (siehe auch U-Bahnen). Bugreport kannst du an Andy Allen schicken, da der Verkehrslayer leider proprietär ist. Ich bin ja eigentlich der Meinung, dass proprietäre Stile auf der Hauptseite gar nicht angeboten werden sollten, aber wohl besser so als gar nicht. nebulon42 Am 2015-05-23 um 10:53 schrieb Friedrich Volkmann: In der Transport Map sind die Wiener Straßenbahnen nicht mit Nummern bezeichnet. (Die Autobuslinien komischerweise schon.) Ich weiß nicht, ob das ein Tagging- oder ein Renderingfehler ist, aber irgendwas gehört da gemacht (im letzteren Fall zumindest ein Bugreport), denn ohne die Liniennummern ist mit der Karte nichts anzufangen. ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge
Can you put that on a different thread. On Sat, 23 May 2015 at 12:15 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Hi Going minorly off on a tangent - One item I would change is leisure=pitch which current represents whole areas of sports grounds to leisure=recreation_ground, have leisure=pitch to indicate just the pitches (ie the white lines of a football pitch). Currently there are situations with two 'pitches' on top of each other. http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/51.40868/-2.37860 David Fox On 22/05/2015 14:58, David Earl wrote: Yes, the operator tags are the same when it is the same institution - the colleges are independent institutions, part of the larger federation. This is part of the complexity of this. I'm not arguing I don't want to change anything, just that there's too much gratuitous change which breaks real, existing products because of hypothetical futures.The wiki analogy is wrong here I think - that's the content. It's much more an API, as I think you were essentially agreeing, and people go to great lengths to try to maintain backward compatibility, only deprecating things when they absolutely have to. And it's not so much me not wanting to change things, of course change happens, it's random, arbitrary, incompatible change that is such a problem to deal with. Dan's not arguing for that, and I've already said I'll look at it and see what's involved. But not today! On Fri, 22 May 2015 at 14:49 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 May 2015 at 14:27, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Andy, the operator tags are all the same, not the building names. No, they really aren't. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/148247775 - Churchill College (University of Cambridge) http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/12861651 - University of Cambridge http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/98523431 - Clare College (University of Cambridge) But also the assertion within a few dozen miles is wrong, as for Nottingham in China. Read what I said, please: If there were two objects tagged as universities with identical names within a few dozen miles, I could make a guess they are the same university and write some rendering rules to suit. I make no assertion that all parts of the same university are within a dozen miles. I hope you realise that your tagging (using tags that imply 1200 different universities) is causing problems, and think what could I do to help other people rather than I don't want to change anything. Thanks, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing listTalk-GB@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- [image: Avast logo] http://www.avast.com/ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge
David Earl wrote: Can you put that on a different thread. David - could you trim messages before replying? 1 line of message for 100 line of quote isn't good. Thanks. Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/too-many-universities-in-Cambridge-tp5845481p5845668.html Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge
I'm sure there are many ways of doing this, but that is what I did. This thread seems determined to undermine the University of Cambridge map by wanting to change everything it relies on. I did spend a long time thinking about how to do it at the beginning of the project, and did publish the details then. Reorganising it dramatically four years on for the sake of it would probably mean U of C abandoning OSM as being too costly to maintain. On Sat, 23 May 2015 at 12:43 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 22 May 2015 at 14:58, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Yes, the operator tags are the same when it is the same institution - the colleges are independent institutions, part of the larger federation. Is it necessary to show the college = university relationship in OSM? If we tag one (set of) structures as King's College, and another as Peterhouse, won't that suffice? ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-at] Straßenbahnen
Nur der Vollständigkeit halber: Ich hab mich verschrieben, er heißt natürlich Andy Allan. Am 2015-05-23 um 11:44 schrieb nebulon42: Nach Vergleich mit öpnvkarte.de würde ich auf Renderingfehler tippen. Soweit ich weiß steht die Verkehrskarte mit schienengebundenen Linien sowieso auf Kriegsfuß (siehe auch U-Bahnen). Bugreport kannst du an Andy Allen schicken, da der Verkehrslayer leider proprietär ist. Ich bin ja eigentlich der Meinung, dass proprietäre Stile auf der Hauptseite gar nicht angeboten werden sollten, aber wohl besser so als gar nicht. nebulon42 Am 2015-05-23 um 10:53 schrieb Friedrich Volkmann: In der Transport Map sind die Wiener Straßenbahnen nicht mit Nummern bezeichnet. (Die Autobuslinien komischerweise schon.) Ich weiß nicht, ob das ein Tagging- oder ein Renderingfehler ist, aber irgendwas gehört da gemacht (im letzteren Fall zumindest ein Bugreport), denn ohne die Liniennummern ist mit der Karte nichts anzufangen. ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge
2015-05-23 12:49 GMT+01:00 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com: On Sat, 23 May 2015 at 12:43 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 22 May 2015 at 14:58, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Yes, the operator tags are the same when it is the same institution - the colleges are independent institutions, part of the larger federation. Is it necessary to show the college = university relationship in OSM? If we tag one (set of) structures as King's College, and another as Peterhouse, won't that suffice? I'm sure there are many ways of doing this, but that is what I did. In my opinion: no it wouldn't suffice, because it doesn't identify the operator among all the other King's Colleges in the country. IMHO it's not encoding a relationship into the tag, it's just an unambiguous name. Anyway it's harmless! This thread seems determined to undermine the University of Cambridge map by wanting to change everything it relies on. Well no, clearly no-one's doing this with an intent to destroy the university map! I assume everyone here just wants to make sure OSM is good. I did spend a long time thinking about how to do it at the beginning of the project, and did publish the details then. Reorganising it dramatically four years on for the sake of it would probably mean U of C abandoning OSM as being too costly to maintain. Sorry, I guess this happens. But this kind of discussion is necessary for us as a local community - otherwise we'll never really share information about how we tag universities, hospitals etc. As long as we keep it from getting sidetracked, and assume good faith, we'll be OK. I know you would have liked all the discussion to be done and dusted during your planning stages, I'm sorry I wasn't around for it. Best Dan ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge
On 23/05/15 12:02, David Earl wrote: There is a problem having 'operator=Magdalene College' and similar rather than operator='Magdalene College (University of Cambridge)' Although I think, where operator is used at all, it is largely used with a loose choice of name, in this case, if you want an unambiguous name for use in the UK, simply use the formal name of the royal charter company, i.e. Magdalene College Cambridge and Magdalene College Oxford (company numbers RC000333 and RC000334 respectively), rather than a name based on their trading name. Legally these are the legal names of the entities that own and operate the land in question. Companies house actually use monocase, so the capitalisation is arbitrary. If you want globally unique names, I think you need an additional tag to indicate the namespace (England or Wales registered company, in this case). Note that the name attribute is generally the trading as name, which is also consistent with the what is on the ground principle. If you actually used the company name for most MacDonalds people would find it very confusing, as a lot of them are franchises run by companies with MacDonalds nowhere in their name. For operator, I would expect to see the legal entity. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-in] [Press] Crowdsourcing to map road network in Kerala
This is great news! Hope the other states will follow soon. Kerala sets an example for OSM adoption as it does most of the times with FOSS.:-) Original message From: Naveen Francis navee...@gmail.com Date: 05/23/2015 17:27 (GMT+05:30) To: OpenStreetMap in India talk-in@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-in] [Press] Crowdsourcing to map road network in Kerala null___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge
As I said, I think the upward compatible change for this is to use a tag with the unique ID of whatever operator (and I think URL would be a good one, not as a link, but an ID, since two people can't have the same one, and all orgs we'd be interested in would have one). That way operator remains the human-friendly item it already is. On Sat, 23 May 2015 at 15:24 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: On 23/05/15 13:26, Dan S wrote: This thread seems determined to undermine the University of Cambridge map by wanting to change everything it relies on. Well no, clearly no-one's doing this with an intent to destroy the university map! I assume everyone here just wants to make sure OSM is good. On the particular point of what goes IN the operator tag ... which is all that is actually being discussed here ... Therre needs to be good reason to change data that is already in common use and is actually cleanly documented. If there is some overriding reason why the content of this tag needs changing I have yet to see it. In the absence of any other may of including the objects hierarchy, this seems to be the sensible way of handing things, and I can see the need for 'Collage-UofX-X' especially where even the collage's campus way be across several places. Does the University of Oxford have any satellites in Cambridge? The current documented sytle works and should perhaps be documented as the general standard? ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Codepoint Open overlay update
I've just published the latest Codepoint Open release as an overlay for editors. More details here at http://codepoint.raggedred.net/ -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge
On 23/05/15 13:26, Dan S wrote: This thread seems determined to undermine the University of Cambridge map by wanting to change everything it relies on. Well no, clearly no-one's doing this with an intent to destroy the university map! I assume everyone here just wants to make sure OSM is good. On the particular point of what goes IN the operator tag ... which is all that is actually being discussed here ... Therre needs to be good reason to change data that is already in common use and is actually cleanly documented. If there is some overriding reason why the content of this tag needs changing I have yet to see it. In the absence of any other may of including the objects hierarchy, this seems to be the sensible way of handing things, and I can see the need for 'Collage-UofX-X' especially where even the collage's campus way be across several places. Does the University of Oxford have any satellites in Cambridge? The current documented sytle works and should perhaps be documented as the general standard? ( And PLEASE trim everything if you must top post ... even on a mobile phone these posts have been painful! ) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-ht] Lot Talk-ht, Vol 58, Parution 4
Ce serait plus qu'une réussite de vouloir agrandir COSMHA ainsi nos jeunes en Haïti pourrait mieux connaître OSM et tous ce qui font partie du pouvoir lire et créer une carte Cordialement Michel Evens Le 22 mai 2015 07:15, talk-ht-requ...@openstreetmap.org a écrit : Envoyez vos messages pour la liste Talk-ht à talk-ht@openstreetmap.org Pour vous (dés)abonner par le web, consultez https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht ou, par email, envoyez un message avec 'help' dans le corps ou dans le sujet à talk-ht-requ...@openstreetmap.org Vous pouvez contacter l'administrateur de la liste à l'adresse talk-ht-ow...@openstreetmap.org Si vous répondez, n'oubliez pas de changer l'objet du message afin qu'il soit plus spécifique que Re: Contenu du digest de Talk-ht... Thèmes du jour : 1. Projet COSMHA à Hinche (Aurélien Jacoutot) 2. Re: Projet COSMHA à Hinche (Wendy Delva) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 15:57:17 -0400 From: Aurélien Jacoutot aurelien.jacou...@gmail.com To: talk-ht@openstreetmap.org, fsaapionni...@yahoo.fr Cc: lunelj.pierr...@yahoo.fr, lepo...@ymail.com, eliegracia...@yahoo.fr, richelottheb...@yahoo.fr Subject: [Talk-ht] Projet COSMHA à Hinche Message-ID: cabfrnmqtrrvwe9jwd5wke1vkpy_f7tgzdv2f5fwk_bwbi6p...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Bonjour tout moun, J'ai eu l'occasion de rencontrer à Hinche (Papaye) les étudiants de la 1ère promotion de l'Université Publique du Centre - Faculté des Sciences de l’Agriculture et de l’Alimentation (UPC-FSAA) et de les sensibiliser sur la cartographie et ses outils. J'ai bien évidemment parlé d'OpenStreetMap et certains étudiants (en copie de ce mail) seraient intéressés pour en connaître plus, se former et contribuer au projet OSM, et pourquoi pas créer une nouvelle communauté active à Hinche et dans l'ensemble du département du Centre. L’avantage, c'est que ces étudiants sont originaires de tout le pays, dont PaP, St-Marc et Cap Haïtien, ce qui peut faciliter les premières rencontres avec les différentes communautés OSM (COSMHA). Je leur ai donné les contacts des différents coordonnateurs, mais autant communiquer dès maintenant ce message à l'ensemble de la communauté OSM via la liste talk-ht. J'espère que l'équipe des contributeurs puisse ainsi s'agrandir et se renforcer en Haïti ! Mesi anpil, Aurélien PS : fsaapionni...@yahoo.fr est le mail générique de toute la promotion, et en copie j'ai mis les étudiants référents : SmithDerosier : lepo...@ymail.com Richelot Thébeau : richelottheb...@yahoo.fr / 32272743 Elie Gracia : eliegracia...@yahoo.fr Pierre Lunel :lunelj.pierr...@yahoo.fr / 33540168 -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 16:43:38 -0400 From: Wendy Delva didygro...@gmail.com To: Aurel Jack aurelien.jacou...@gmail.com Cc: lepo...@ymail.com, richelottheb...@yahoo.fr, fsaapionni...@yahoo.fr, lunelj.pierr...@yahoo.fr, eliegracia...@yahoo.fr, talk-ht@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ht] Projet COSMHA à Hinche Message-ID: CAMix3-= duh7+sa04rg9re7+mpgjhqigzqe6qzepwbna9w89...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Bonsoir Aurélien, Je trouve que c'est une excéllente idée que COSMHA s'implique dans la formation de cette nouvelle communauté OSM dans le département du centre. COSMHANNE serait honoré de donner sa contribution dans la formation de ces jeunes universitaires. D'autres part cette initiative sera le présage du nouveau concept OSM HAITI, projet conçu par les COSMHA visant à former des communautés OSM dans tous les départements du pays afin de faciliter les réponses humanitaires en cas de catastrophes et mieux orienter les actions de l'Etat et des ONG. Il nous faut maintenant une bonne planification pour pouvoir mobiliser les ressources nécéssaires à la réalisation de ladite formation. Bien cordialement Wendy Wendy DELVA Mapper OSM Contributor General Coordinator of COSMHANNE Phone: +509 3757 3601 Mail: didygro...@gmail.com Skype: Didygroove LinkedIn: Wendy Delva GIS Mentor, GNPD, American Red Cross Bonjour tout moun, J'ai eu l'occasion de rencontrer à Hinche (Papaye) les étudiants de la 1ère promotion de l'Université Publique du Centre - Faculté des Sciences de l’Agriculture et de l’Alimentation (UPC-FSAA) et de les sensibiliser sur la cartographie et ses outils. J'ai bien évidemment parlé d'OpenStreetMap et certains étudiants (en copie de ce mail) seraient intéressés pour en connaître plus, se former et contribuer au projet OSM, et pourquoi pas créer une nouvelle communauté active à Hinche et dans l'ensemble du département du Centre. L’avantage, c'est que ces étudiants sont originaires de tout le pays, dont PaP, St-Marc et Cap Haïtien, ce qui peut faciliter les
[OSM-talk-fr] Squelettisation
Une idée comme çà (qui a peut être été déjà réfléchi et écarté) : (sachant que je suis incapable de faire quoi que se soit si c'est possible et une bonne idée) Il était possible a un moment d’intégrer les rivières obtenu grâce au cadastre, ce n'est plus possible car c’était mal fait par les contributeur. C'était l'ajout de polygone représentant les riverbank des rivières et autres rus. Si l'on pouvait transformé ces polygones en ligne représentant la rivière comme fait là : http://ageoguy.blogspot.fr/2010/12/squelettisation.html (je sais pas si c'est possible dans notre cas et si les résultat seront rapide à obtenir et de bonne qualité) l'integration serait plus utile et moins problématique (il resterait quand même du travail pour la personne qui l’intègre à osm à cause de la continuité au niveau des ponts par exemple). la même chose pourrait être fait pour les routes : avec le travail fait pour sortir les adresses du cadastre, on doit pouvoir obtenir un polygone pour le réseau routier de la commune. Avec si l'on peut le squelettiser, on obtient presque toutes les routes et chemins d'une commune reste plus qu'a intégrer ça. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [Talk-it] Strade con name=alt_name
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 23/05/2015 19:44, Daniele Forsi ha scritto: Vi segnalo che ci sono alcune way (poche in realtà) che hanno il name esattamente identico all'alt_name, magari il mappatore voleva veramente inserire due nomi diversi ma si è sbagliato oppure ha pensato che il name fosse sbagliato e non si è accorto dell'alt_name, però sono troppi da contattare per me solo, se volete controllare se c'è ne è qualcuna nella vostra zona qui trovate l'elenco: http://www.forsi.it/node/149 Comune di Bolzano ho provveduto a mandare i due messaggi. - -- Simone Girardelli _|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_ |_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_| -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVYM7CAAoJEMTPIIVov0ZtEMIH/0H4OsjGvsKpeitLlJWdclmU C8RW1AkVYD0fFUnW8oePWMRmb5Si0ofL7ImLuMzVcpaXg36BZ1tT1//MPaZryy2O InRBTEA0UDfFeUyIK8l8z12zTvQoWtTXO82evvSgbVdXgjVmb5Qks9J8sWcw4Rds 64jDnNm5awpfcsmjDAjJ5g/girVE0mNisK187MnV1j+bvDKGd/dpK7GskTMHAfeO loEan5zIo3JDW3DJYatMWWnQe1WWlB22bML+KpRWi/N82TeOYOYDrkZbOGNHXxTy WWrTwya8LaYxsCGjVmvPgg1TMmjriXm6I7o44tbksGIDBb5fOjW6gzUWEu4moYE= =Gcp+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Strade con name=alt_name
Il 23 maggio 2015 21:02, girarsi_liste ha scritto: Comune di Bolzano ho provveduto a mandare i due messaggi. grazie, io ho scritto ora a quello di Pisa, ho commentato il changeset anche se è di 7 mesi fa, almeno rimane una traccia visibile e si evita di scrivergli 2 volte; per quello di Genova ho incaricato un itermediario :-) -- Daniele Forsi ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] problemi su mappatura
Ciao a tutti; in settimana ho fatto un giro diverso dal solito e sulla mappa ho trovato parecchie tracce di sentieri che nascono dal nulla e nel nulla finiscono. Mi sembra siano stati tracciati pezzi di sentiero che spuntano dal bosco sulle ortofoto. Keepright me li segnala come errore e in effetti non mi sembrano utili e nello stesso tempo sul navigatore da bici fanno parecchia confusione. Ho mandato una mail al mappatore per chiedere spiegazioni,purtroppo è tedesco e non capisce l'italiano per cui chiedo aiuto a Voi,se va bene mappare così mi adeguo,altrimenti se qualcuno potesse parlarci gli sarei grato,perchè non mi piace toccare il lavoro di altri senza avvertire. La zona mappata è sopra Bagni di Lucca,intorno al monte Battifolle. Grazie. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Uniformiamo i beach resort ?
É dell'utente mcheck: ha creato l'account che dici per le attività di import (come prevede la relativa guida sul wiki) -- sent by Nexus 5 Il 23/mag/2015 15:44, Fabrizio Carrai fabrizio.car...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ok, sto inviando i messaggi. Perdonate una domanda: uno dei tag è stato aggiunto dall' utente mcheckimport: è un utente o un'utenza particolare ? Grazie FabC 2015-05-22 9:37 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Am 22.05.2015 um 09:27 schrieb Aury88 spacedrive...@gmail.com: ti sembrano applicati agli tessi elementi mappati come leisure=beach_resort o hanno delle particolarità? visto che sono solo 9 casi cercherei di contattare gli autori uno per uno ciao Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- *Fabrizio* ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Uniformiamo i beach resort ?
Il giorno 23 maggio 2015 15:43, Fabrizio Carrai fabrizio.car...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ok, sto inviando i messaggi. Perdonate una domanda: uno dei tag è stato aggiunto dall' utente mcheckimport: è un utente o un'utenza particolare ? A quanto pare uno dei destinatari ero io ;-) Ho risposto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-de] neuster josm + tracer - ipv4/ipv6 problem
Hi, wer mit dem aktuellem Josm und dem Tracer rumbaut der wird evtl merken das das nicht mehr geht. Im Josm scheint sich gerade alles mögliche kaputtzumachen durch die ipv4/ipv6 workarounds ... Dadurch versucht der aktuelle JOSM bei ipv6 connectivity auch den TRacer über ipv6 anzusprechen - der lauscht aber auf einem reinen ipv4 socket ... Workaround - Die tcp connections von v6 auf v4 proxien: git clone git://git.spreadspace.org/tcpproxy.git bauen ... Dann: ./tcpproxy -U -l ::1 -p 49243 -r 127.0.0.1 -o 49243 Und es geht wieder ... Was bitte ist in Java so schwer mit ipv4/ipv6 sockets ... g Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de We need to self-defense - GnuPG/PGP enable your email today! signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] (senza oggetto)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 23/05/2015 20:19, beppebo...@libero.it ha scritto: scusate ma i dati wikipedia come si inseriscono così tipo chiave wikipedia valore it:Chiesa di Sant'Anastasia (Verona) o così tipochiave wikipediavalore http://it.wikipedia.or=g/wiki/Arche_scaligere con tutto collegamento internet grazie Una ricerchina nella wiki di openstreetmap no? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikipedia - -- Simone Girardelli _|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_ |_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_| -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVYNDNAAoJEMTPIIVov0ZtkGUH/RGIc6eE8FDhcURrkzbynnqV Pp2kSa/Il+aqhyH8d1sRwUC4TK3BNkCoJAE1fRKuqW52jaN1xSFV4+/YEb1iwqzq IJnaa57w26h/XdqiTKhctxnY5724QxodKaPpbisVH1IYspNWCzrv6HZn+nRRLgQF Tm/YnDp1v/GQLpVwaQkEoC4pK1BvhgcLUOr1KjZJww8VV2mAvcNw7ZqwEHiGexy+ oW4Mu0zr5x28G38Ohmu/jYUSjYEMBdq9p5lqLxLqL/VWJAtjcByUANVlzdrXSUQn cHcWLBiOm5N8Vo7n2xcr4HhRXS5w41FQGCDzc9Kl0UPy8QO/BImW255HNAtU7eg= =slxw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Strade con name=alt_name
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 23/05/2015 21:18, Daniele Forsi ha scritto: Il 23 maggio 2015 21:02, girarsi_liste ha scritto: Comune di Bolzano ho provveduto a mandare i due messaggi. grazie, io ho scritto ora a quello di Pisa, ho commentato il changeset anche se è di 7 mesi fa, almeno rimane una traccia visibile e si evita di scrivergli 2 volte; per quello di Genova ho incaricato un itermediario :-) Non mi ringraziare, ci tengo che sia tutto in ordine in questo nostro database, invece, grazie a te per i tools e il tempo che ci dedichi. - -- Simone Girardelli _|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_ |_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_| -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVYNM7AAoJEMTPIIVov0ZtxYEIAMJuSmq33yoOlR7GX4kdyvC9 pmSK7F2Y+F26x6n1urfPZOCHQIQkjT5SW8Y49MBF8mv0Y+5OfUifWnCjC26DUNYw FgeTmnA1xzh7Lx4euvsbslGSTakOlHHocmLLIY9S/xXlEqpt/Ymlo1flffzUL4ip umX/BNO5WGMiWBV028RA5uC1bTqZnUcT/0nuHimIPr7X1bNqDHimKKRnX9Z4MCsa cdju0dqEHIspEzXKXySXE+kyW8t6bPtxqtGZYyRjbiw8ebeIZPPxBs92OS+3IOZo mqT54SdSjYS7eKvqnl8AjzvUW2yv7Q3u5xuMYqpn7BVvMehITBubeF/pNqsP+Bk= =4H+E -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
