Re: [talk-au] How to map out streets the most efficently
--- On Mon, 15/6/09, Liz wrote: > I got a cheap mp3 player that offered recording but i > couldn't get it to work, so i quit that line of > investigation. > > could be worthwhile, certainly easier than writing on paper > on the steering wheel at speed Have you seen the photos of Geocachers not paying full attention to the conditions round them and having accidents? :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to map out streets the most efficently
--- On Mon, 15/6/09, Liz wrote: > OSM makes you look for somethings out there between the > nothings. You have to, at times, squint and turn round, maybe pluck a chook to find it! :) > I know that country, and the Hay Plains still win for > nothingness. A few prickly pear, a couple of roos and a dozzen road trains don't count as something... > If you don't come back by a different direction, > we'll miss other data Exactly! :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to map out streets the most efficently
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote: > I've been playing around lately on the best way to store street name info > and voice recording notes seems to win hands down because it is > easier/quicker, especially when doing it by yourself. You don't have to > stop or fumble with devices, you just talk to yourself a lot. :) I got a cheap mp3 player that offered recording but i couldn't get it to work, so i quit that line of investigation. could be worthwhile, certainly easier than writing on paper on the steering wheel at speed ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to map out streets the most efficently
--- On Mon, 15/6/09, Darrin Smith wrote: > I'd agree. It's not a race so focus on doing the job fully > to the level > you are happy with on a smaller scale and come back later > to finish it. > If you try to rush and shortcut you'll only have to go back > later to > finish the things you find out you've missed the first > time. The number > of POI's and small side alleys I've found off obscure back > streets of > rural towns you really need to check every street if you > want to > consider everything mapped. I'm not trying to race, but I have an oppurtunity to collect GPS data and I'm not going too far out of my way in the process. This comes back to things I mentioned previously about order of importance, and also having something is better than nothing. I think it's easier to refine data already on the map by tweaking than to start from scratch. It may well be a case that I've bitten off more than I can chew, but most rural towns are abysmal and I'm just trying to make a dent in it. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to map out streets the most efficently
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote: > Most likely I'll be returning via a different direction, I don't > particularlly like going out west, there is whole lots of nothing inbetween > a few somethings. OSM makes you look for somethings out there between the nothings. I know that country, and the Hay Plains still win for nothingness. If you don't come back by a different direction, we'll miss other data ;-) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to map out streets the most efficently
--- On Mon, 15/6/09, Liz wrote: > It depends if they are set out in rectangular bocks or > wiggles Most of the streets in the towns given seem to be fairly straight, thankfully. > We photograph the street signs which means we go round > slowly I've been playing around lately on the best way to store street name info and voice recording notes seems to win hands down because it is easier/quicker, especially when doing it by yourself. You don't have to stop or fumble with devices, you just talk to yourself a lot. :) > Again we means often we have a team of two I don't have that luxury. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to map out streets the most efficently
--- On Mon, 15/6/09, Liz wrote: > Personally I'd concentrate on doing one or two on the > journey up and one or two on the journey back. Most likely I'll be returning via a different direction, I don't particularlly like going out west, there is whole lots of nothing inbetween a few somethings. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to map out streets the most efficently
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:22:42 +1000 Liz wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote: > > Thoughts, hints and tips will be appreciated. > Personally I'd concentrate on doing one or two on the journey up and > one or two on the journey back. > One large and one small? I'd agree. It's not a race so focus on doing the job fully to the level you are happy with on a smaller scale and come back later to finish it. If you try to rush and shortcut you'll only have to go back later to finish the things you find out you've missed the first time. The number of POI's and small side alleys I've found off obscure back streets of rural towns you really need to check every street if you want to consider everything mapped. -- =b ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to map out streets the most efficently
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote: > Thoughts, hints and tips will be appreciated. Personally I'd concentrate on doing one or two on the journey up and one or two on the journey back. One large and one small? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to map out streets the most efficently
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote: > Now does anyone have suggestions on how to basically drive the entire town > the most efficiently with the minimal amount of overlap, or how does one > plan such a feat. It depends if they are set out in rectangular bocks or wiggles rectangular blocks - circle the block, then do a zig zag through it We photograph the street signs which means we go round slowly Again we means often we have a team of two Wiggly streets hopeless for speed as you have to do the lot. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Roads that follow ABS suburb boundaries
--- On Mon, 15/6/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > Ok, I split the ABS boundary way as > needed and added highway=tertiary to it. This is what has > been done with the rivers in the area which follow ABS > boundaries. > > Can somebody confirm that this was the correct course of > action? I don't know if it's the correct course of action, but I've made similar changes where the ABS data was close enough since it reduces the number of nodes, plus the ABS info usually has more points to begin with and so is more smooth... It handy for doing big stretches in western areas of railway lines, some lines have shifted or been straighted but the majority don't seem to have changed much since they were first laid. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] How to map out streets the most efficently
In my up an coming trip to SE QLD, I'm probably going to go through a number of largish, relatively speaking, regional towns that aren't mapped out except for a handful of streets and most if not all were from landsat imagery. Now does anyone have suggestions on how to basically drive the entire town the most efficiently with the minimal amount of overlap, or how does one plan such a feat. Towns I'm hoping to map, given enough time, include: Moree: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-29.46771&lon=149.83826&zoom=14 http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=moree&z=14 Goondiwindi: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-28.5381&lon=150.3039&zoom=14 http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=goondiwindi&z=14 Millmerran: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.8779&lon=151.2712&zoom=14 http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=millmerran&z=14 Pittsworth (which wasn't even marked till this evening at all): http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.71&lon=151.6359&zoom=14 http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=pittsworth&z=14 Oakey: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.43068&lon=151.71903&zoom=14 http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=oakey&z=14 Going the most direct way through these towns will be over 700km, normally the trip is closer to about 600km, and that figure doesn't include the extra milage doing streets. I have a bit of a time constraint as I'd prefer not to be driving after dark and bumping heads with the odd roo :) When I mapped out Inverell I was a little less prepared/experienced but even so it still took about 3hrs of driving to nail all the streets, which if I do even half the time in most towns I'm looking at a pretty hefty amount of time in the day just mapping. Is there any cheats people could suggest to speed up the process, even if the data collected isn't perfect but would allow for any blank spots to be extrapolated to fill in the rest of the picture? If I set off at first light, I'll have about 10 hours of daylight and need to travel 700km, although the closer I am to my destination by night fall the smaller the animal I'm likely to hit. Just to give you an idea, out round Goondiwindi I've seen 6' roos. Unfortunately none of the roads I'm taking are signed at anything higher than 100km/hr, so I can't make up time that way, and yes there is highway patrols along at least half the roads, if not most. If there is a remote chance of extra time the other towns I'm going through are Nanango, Goomeri and Kilkivan, all of which have pretty poor mapping as well, but are smaller than the towns I've out lined above. Thoughts, hints and tips will be appreciated. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Roads that follow ABS suburb boundaries
Ok, I split the ABS boundary way as needed and added highway=tertiary to it. This is what has been done with the rivers in the area which follow ABS boundaries. Can somebody confirm that this was the correct course of action? Brent - Original Message - From: b.schulz...@scu.edu.au Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:40 am Subject: [talk-au] Roads that follow ABS suburb boundaries To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org > Greetings Talk-Au, > > Tonight I tried to enter tertiary roads based on a GPX track I > took on a drive from Newcastle to Clarence Town some months back > and came to a point where one of the roads follows an ABS suburb > boundary. > I'm wondering what the best way to handle this is. The GPX track > and the ABS boundary agree to within 3m at most points, so it's > safe to say that the ABS data accurately traces the center of > the road in question. > > Is it best to draw a 2nd way to represent the way, or some how > break up the ABS boundary? So far I've just drawn in the road > where the ABS boundary turns away from it. > > The GPX track in question is here: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Biogenesis_/traces/413716 > The area of the map in question is here: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-32.6009&lon=151.8143&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF > > You'll need to zoom in to see the Data layer to observe my > changes before the rendering updates, but the road goes from > Clarence Town and runs East to the Buckets way. > > Brent > > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Roads that follow ABS suburb boundaries
Greetings Talk-Au, Tonight I tried to enter tertiary roads based on a GPX track I took on a drive from Newcastle to Clarence Town some months back and came to a point where one of the roads follows an ABS suburb boundary. I'm wondering what the best way to handle this is. The GPX track and the ABS boundary agree to within 3m at most points, so it's safe to say that the ABS data accurately traces the center of the road in question. Is it best to draw a 2nd way to represent the way, or some how break up the ABS boundary? So far I've just drawn in the road where the ABS boundary turns away from it. The GPX track in question is here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Biogenesis_/traces/413716 The area of the map in question is here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-32.6009&lon=151.8143&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF You'll need to zoom in to see the Data layer to observe my changes before the rendering updates, but the road goes from Clarence Town and runs East to the Buckets way. Brent ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] GPS chips with cyanide
Watching good news week they had a silly segment on, but it was about a factual device someone has come up with to not only track via GPS but kill off with a dose of cyanide... http://www.techradar.com/news/world-of-tech/gps-chip-for-crims-adds-in-a-dose-of-cyanide-602019 Apart from the fact that someone thought something like this up, it just proves the future in terms of GPS technology going to be interesting if they can already make GPS chips this small. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Petition to MP
--- On Mon, 15/6/09, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > > > What is holding me up is the licence - I can't > > > realistically write and say "well it might be this > > > licence, but it might not, either." > > > I thought it was licensed cc by attribution? > > It is right now, but there is months on > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk > > about new licence proposal and how to actually change over > when a new licence is accepted > > (blah, blah) > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License After a quick read it seems the intent of the license is the same, the only difference is the legalese. So rather than explaining it in specific license terms, you just give a broad description without getting into specifics. eg, The license allows you to take the data and do what you like with it as long as you attribute it to openstreetmap.org or did I miss something or over look something? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Petition to MP
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote: > --- On Mon, 15/6/09, Liz wrote: > > What is holding me up is the licence - I can't > > realistically write and say "well it might be this > > licence, but it might not, either." > > I thought it was licensed cc by attribution? It is right now, but there is months on http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk about new licence proposal and how to actually change over when a new licence is accepted (blah, blah) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License -- Every why hath a wherefore. -- William Shakespeare, "A Comedy of Errors" ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Petition to MP
--- On Mon, 15/6/09, Liz wrote: > I wrote it watching the abysmal GPS service on the plane, > with the badly spelled place names eg Tumat for Tumut. > > Already our map is far far better than the one they are > using. I haven't flown Virgin since ummm it's been a while, but Qantas and United 747 flights to the US have pretty basic maps too, dunno what they have on the new airbus 380's. Also they don't do in flight entertainment/screens on most/all US domestic flights I've been on, so at least you're up a notch on AU flights ;) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Petition to MP
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > Personally I think that marketing to the masses would yield better results. > Ie: organise more mapping parties where newbies are encouraged to attend > and are introduced to a friendly, supportive atmosphere. Or get a few small > regions "finished" and get some printed maps into tourist information > centers and youth hostels. I dare say that small regions such as the Sydney > CBD and Canberra would be excellent pilot projects which could be started > right away. > > By getting lots of free maps out to the people it broadens our readership. > Eventually I think it would be really awesome to get an OSM street > directory onto bookshop shelves, starting with capital cities (or regional > centers, as they're smaller goals) and eventually (in 5-10 years) > publishing an "OSM touring guide", complete with a Wikipedia-like database > of town descriptions, free camping sites etc, kind of like a compeditor to > Explore Australia. > > Anyway, I've seriously rambled on here. I think that both general populace > marketing and MP petitioning are needed, but if somebody has some spare > time and a choice, what does Talk-Au think they should concentrate on? . I have half written a letter to Virgin Blue. I wrote it watching the abysmal GPS service on the plane, with the badly spelled place names eg Tumat for Tumut. Already our map is far far better than the one they are using. What is holding me up is the licence - I can't realistically write and say "well it might be this licence, but it might not, either." ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Petition to MP
--- On Mon, 15/6/09, Jeff Price wrote: > Yep > have the email history and a copy is on its way to you > directly. Thanks for that, it's exactly what I was looking for, not planning to use it word for word, but it's given me a nice template to start from. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
