Re: [talk-au] school zones
--- On Tue, 23/6/09, Stephen Hope wrote: > How accurate are you wanting to go? > To be truly accurate, you're going > to need to take weekends and school holidays into account > as well. Weekends are easy to account for, school holidays aren't as easy but I'm sure some where there would be suitable information, and you just build it up from there as to which school zone applies to which dates. Police have been known to book people on pupil free days in NSW and possibly other states. > Actually, on a serious note, I'd love to have a routing > algorithm that > avoids schools during child dropoff and pickup hours when > possible. I > don't mind the slowing down bit, it's the waiting 10 > minutes while the > school empties out across the road, playing russian > roulette with > triple parked parents in 4WD's and dodging school buses > that seem to > have forgotten they have indicators that bugs me. I don't think they knew what an indicator was in the first place. Also the slow downs that are the most annoying at like the Pacific Highway or Epping Rd in Sydney to name but a few, 3 lanes each way and you have to slow down for stupid school zones that kids shouldn't be going near if they're likely to get hit. As I said before, it's easy enough to work out weekends, school dates are another matter but at least aussie schools tend to have the same dates across the entire state, unlike in the US. The question still remains how to best uniformly tag these areas so other things like routing can take advantage of it. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] school zones
How accurate are you wanting to go? To be truly accurate, you're going to need to take weekends and school holidays into account as well. Actually, on a serious note, I'd love to have a routing algorithm that avoids schools during child dropoff and pickup hours when possible. I don't mind the slowing down bit, it's the waiting 10 minutes while the school empties out across the road, playing russian roulette with triple parked parents in 4WD's and dodging school buses that seem to have forgotten they have indicators that bugs me. Stephen 2009/6/23 John Smith : > > People asked to have the current speed limit displayed in my speedo app, so > this is where I'm going with this. > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] school zones
--- On Tue, 23/6/09, John Smith wrote: > It's not a type of vehicle restriction or most other > restrictions listed. hour_on/hour_off could apply, but you'd > end up with: > > hour_on=08:30;14:30 > hour_off=09:30;15:30 Actually, looking at the details for hour_on/off it has this: hour_on=HH:MM:SS Closure starts at this time hour_off=HH:MM:SS Closure ends at this time We're talking about restrictions rather than closures, so this may not be applicable either, dunno. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] school zones
--- On Mon, 22/6/09, Ben Kelley wrote: > There are probably 2 things here: > 1) It is a school zone > 2) The speed limit is different on this stretch of road at > different times of the day For number 2, there is 2 parts to it. 1) it is a school zone 2 a) times in effect 2 b) different maxspeed Maybe I'm assuming the restrictions that exist are too simple to cover this situation, as I don't see anything that matches what I would classify as a speed restricted zone. It's not a type of vehicle restriction or most other restrictions listed. hour_on/hour_off could apply, but you'd end up with: hour_on=08:30;14:30 hour_off=09:30;15:30 So would it be best to look at this as a new type of restriction, listing the maxspeed for the school zone when active, rather than yes? eg highway=residential maxspeed=50 school_zone=40 hour_on=08:30;14:30 hour_off=09:30;15:30 > I think the latter can be represented by a restriction with > set times. I don't know of anything that parses these > yet, but that would seem to be the way to do it. People asked to have the current speed limit displayed in my speedo app, so this is where I'm going with this. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] school zones
Hi. There are probably 2 things here: 1) It is a school zone 2) The speed limit is different on this stretch of road at different times of the day I think the latter can be represented by a restriction with set times. I don't know of anything that parses these yet, but that would seem to be the way to do it. - Ben. 2009/6/22 John Smith > > Judging by the tagwatch site it's pretty hit and miss about the whole > affair. > > Just like maxspeed is important, I think time based zoning is just as > important, if not more so. > > Does anyone have any suggestions on the best way to do this that could be > put into a proposal? > > I was thinking something like the following, so that it could be parsed by > apps displaying the current speed limit for example, it could pull data from > somewhere about if it's a school day or not, and then use the applicable > zone start/stop times to display the speed limit currently. > > highway=residential > maxspeed=50 > school_zone=08:30-09:30;14:30-15:30 > school_zone_maxspeed=40 > > > > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] My "viewing" problems (continued...)
--- On Mon, 22/6/09, Dan O'Hara wrote: The fact you can open the a.tile... in a browser means it should work, maybe contact someone at OSM to see if someone did something stupid to get your IP range blacklisted by them... Although if you can open images from the tile servers it should work... > I have Windows Vista with SP2. I > keep all my programs > up to date. I am on broadband with oodles of memory > – and > didn’t have a problem until 6 weeks or so ago. What changed? > Very frustrating. Indeed... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] My "viewing" problems (continued...)
Hi guys Thanks for your tips. I have extended my search to the newbies forum too. On top of what I've already done this is what I've done tonight. . I can open both JOSM and Merkaator and the maps open ok - although without any familiarity of these two - I can see my general area in both slippy maps. . I have used tracert and in all 3 tile locations I have a single "timed out" at step 2 ie to my ISP, then it works until step 23 when it times out again (through to step 30 after which the program stops) after "LMN-LMN1.site.ja.net" at 146.97.42.62 - I'm not sure what I was supposed to see here though? . I changed the DNS to opendns and tried opening maps and pinging and tracerting again. I also rebooted with similar lack of success. . I opened the links http://a.tile.openstreetmap.org/0/0/0.png http://b.tile.openstreetmap.org/0/0/0.png http://c.tile.openstreetmap.org/0/0/0.png and they all worked. . I have looked at my internet options and images aren't blocked (I have no trouble downloading images from anywhere else) . I have checked my firewall (Windows Defender) and anti-virus program (McAfee) but see nothing that I would say is causing difficulty. . I unloaded some of the add-ins I installed recently for Firefox. . I checked the hosts file in %SystemRoot%\system32\drivers\etc\ and only saw 127.0.0.1 local host and ::1 local host (so I assume that was ok) I have Windows Vista with SP2. I keep all my programs up to date. I am on broadband with oodles of memory - and didn't have a problem until 6 weeks or so ago. Very frustrating. Any further tips? Ta Dan ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Cheap data logger
I just spotted an even cheaper data logger on ebay... $51 + $13 postage from Melbourne http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NEW-65-CHANNEL-USB-GPS-RECEIVER-DONGLE-DATA-LOGGER-AGPS_W0QQitemZ160342651814QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGPS_Devices?hash=item25552ab3a6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A15%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 And has better specs, 1Hz logging, 256k points... Although no solar panel... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Picnic Tables
--- On Mon, 22/6/09, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > I'm sure other places have them, but here putting a cloth > on the ground and > arranging your food is not going to result in a happy > picnic, while it is / > was quite possible in the UK None of which helps with flies in the middle of summer :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Picnic Tables
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, John Smith wrote: > I can't recall if I saw any in the US or not, I think I saw at some in park > areas over there. I'm sure other places have them, but here putting a cloth on the ground and arranging your food is not going to result in a happy picnic, while it is / was quite possible in the UK -- You are a fluke of the universe; you have no right to be here. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Picnic Tables
--- On Mon, 22/6/09, Liz wrote: > I thought the highest zoom was 17 > so at zoom 18 we wouldn't be seeing them > As a one time resident of elsewhere in this world, i still > recall why in Au we > use these things > so i started the talk page I can't recall if I saw any in the US or not, I think I saw at some in park areas over there. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Picnic Tables
On Sat, 20 Jun 2009, John Smith wrote: > --- On Sat, 20/6/09, Cameron wrote: > > I think somewhere on the OSM wiki it > > says that there are no official osm tags, just conventions > > which are followed. So jump in and create your own tags and > > edit the wiki as you see fit. > > Yes I know, but I was hoping there might be a tag so the tables showed up > on the map at zoom 18 or so. > > I actually went back and relabeled them amenity=picnic_table since others > have already done that anyway and if I get bored enough I plan to look into > how to get picnic_table as an official amenity item and how to get a > pictogram on the map for them. > > The buggers are everywhere, nearly every "stop, revive and survive" site > along the Newell, Cunningham and a couple of other minor roads have them. > Also the local councils or whoever seemed to have doubled up the number of > locations since I went along some of those, and freshly installed toilets > too. > I thought the highest zoom was 17 so at zoom 18 we wouldn't be seeing them As a one time resident of elsewhere in this world, i still recall why in Au we use these things so i started the talk page ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] school zones
Judging by the tagwatch site it's pretty hit and miss about the whole affair. Just like maxspeed is important, I think time based zoning is just as important, if not more so. Does anyone have any suggestions on the best way to do this that could be put into a proposal? I was thinking something like the following, so that it could be parsed by apps displaying the current speed limit for example, it could pull data from somewhere about if it's a school day or not, and then use the applicable zone start/stop times to display the speed limit currently. highway=residential maxspeed=50 school_zone=08:30-09:30;14:30-15:30 school_zone_maxspeed=40 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] miniround abouts and sunshine council
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, John Smith wrote: > Pic I took earlier... where's the sunshine? just get them to send that wet stuff my way, we will accept it gladly ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Picnic Tables
--- On Sat, 20/6/09, Cameron wrote: > I think somewhere on the OSM wiki it > says that there are no official osm tags, just conventions > which are followed. So jump in and create your own tags and > edit the wiki as you see fit. I got round to writing up a draft today. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/picnic_table ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] miniround abouts and sunshine council
Also I kept forgetting about this roundabout in Inverell: http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=inverell&sll=-26.652354,153.090448&sspn=0,359.990993&ie=UTF8&ll=-29.77248,151.111944&spn=0.013317,0.027874&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=-29.772404,151.111891&panoid=eeIRJnSTRHjM16RPhJkOwg&cbp=12,290.78,,0,7.98 Slightly larger than the one in Maroochydore, but not much. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
