[talk-au] Extracting Map data for Australian cities
Hello guys, This is my first mail to this list. I have been trying to use osmosis to extract map data for different Australian cities, but osmosis is not working for me (I am on a windows machine). Any ideas what other options do I have? -- Regards Kamran ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ABS postcode boundaries
Something else I've noticed, the postcode boundaries cover some areas that other boundaries don't and would have come in handy for doing sections of road and river that can't easily be done from low res sat imagery :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Nambour/Sunshine Coast Mapping Party
Ash, I think I'll be going, and I can probably provide a lift. Anyone else in Brisbane interested in sharing a car up to Nambour for this? - David Ashley Kyd-2 wrote: > > I'm interested in attending and I'd love to carpool, because that's what > I do. Just thought I ought to get my expression of interest out there on > the list. > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Nambour-Sunshine-Coast-Mapping-Party-tp24647051p24730498.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - Australian Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Putting things into perspective...
--- On Wed, 29/7/09, Jeff Price wrote: > Its > for this reason that I often ponder the realistic long term > coverage OSM can expect for Australia and other low density > locations. There are just some many km's of stuff > to map that starting from a blank canvas for the majority of > towns out there can be overwhelming, expensive(fuel), and > not environmentally sound (if by car purely to do a gps > trace or field audit). Yes it can be rewarding when > see it take shape, but still a big ask. For similar > reasons I have been slowly chasing local government mapping > data so that we can at least fill in a few blanks on the > canvas (even if its not 100% correct) so that people can > invest time into making it better instead of making it > exist. For the more populated areas I think doing our own would make sense to some degree as it would provide some level of consistency with the rest of the data. Less populated areas it would be better to approach this as a bidirectional proposition, and this idea has been rolling around in the back of my head for a few weeks I just haven't fully thought it out yet. The idea is that rural and remote councils get a benefit too, by supplying us with the initial data we can at a later stage give them back a cleaner supply of data that is updated either by them or ourselves and we have a lot of free tools to help maintain that information. This seems to be happening already with the USGS (United States Geological Survey), the mapping agency in Austria, the mapping agency in NZ (LINZ) and those are just the ones I can name off the top of my head. Perhaps we should ask for help from those with better PR and negotiating skills within the OSM Foundation to help us with this? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] LCA2010
--- On Wed, 29/7/09, Liz wrote: > 3. can people get together on this list and put together a > proposal in the > next 18 hours? You could probably skim from the SoTM09 slides, but not in that kind of time frame. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ABS postcode boundaries
--- On Wed, 29/7/09, Andrew Laughton wrote: > I vote put it all in, marked with the source, and as better > data comes along it can be (re)moved and the source updated. Well I can fix the boundary up for one area from personal knowledge, others we'd have to pester auspost for better information or postal workers or find people living near or on post code boundaries or ? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ABS post code areas
--- On Wed, 29/7/09, Ben Kelley wrote: > I have seen a couple of places where you have put these. > Can you please put something like layer=-5, as otherwise > they cover up other layers in the town. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:layer Do not use this tag to correct some render behaviour as in just to make the output look better. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Putting things into perspective...
Its for this reason that I often ponder the realistic long term coverage OSM can expect for Australia and other low density locations. There are just some many km's of stuff to map that starting from a blank canvas for the majority of towns out there can be overwhelming, expensive(fuel), and not environmentally sound (if by car purely to do a gps trace or field audit). Yes it can be rewarding when see it take shape, but still a big ask. For similar reasons I have been slowly chasing local government mapping data so that we can at least fill in a few blanks on the canvas (even if its not 100% correct) so that people can invest time into making it better instead of making it exist. Jeff. From: John Smith To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, 30 July, 2009 3:15:23 AM Subject: [talk-au] Putting things into perspective... I was watching the State of the Map Canadian talk and they point out how low the population density of Canada is, also the fact most of the population lives within about 100 miles of the US border. Australia has a lower population density but suffers the same fate when it comes to the majority of the population clustering around the border essentially. Most information is from CIA world fact book site, which gives July 2009 estimates. Landmass in Mill. Sq km --- 2. Canada 10 3. USA9.8 6. Aust. 7.7 85.UK 0.2 Population in Mill -- 4. USA307 (82% urban) 23.UK 61 (90% urban) 39.Canada 33 (80% urban) 55.Aust. 21 (89% urban) Information from wikipedia is from some 2004 estimate but the order is what I was after the actual density can be calculated. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density Population Density (People per Sq km) - 52. UK 305.0 177.USA 31.3 227.Canada 3.3 232.Aust. 2.7 238.Denmark 0.03 Density Map http://www.mapsofworld.com/australia/images/populatilon-dencity.gif To sum up, Australia is the 6th largest country in the world, by area excluding Antarctica etc, yet almost the lowest population density in the world, and for the most part Canada is in the same boat. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ABS postcode boundaries
2009/7/29 John Smith > > --- On Wed, 29/7/09, Franc Carter wrote: > > > I've created a set of .osm files from the ABS postcode > > boundary data. Each > > .osm file is a way that encloses the postcode, so that you > > could use it to find the boundaries of that postcode. > > I know exactly the postcode boundaries of one postcode and others less > specifically and I can say with complete certainty that the ABS is off a > fair bit in places. > > At a guess it seems they shoe horned the postcode information into their > existing boundaries, but it is wrong none the less, so the question is how > much baby do we throw out with the bath water? > I vote put it all in, marked with the source, and as better data comes along it can be (re)moved and the source updated. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] LCA2010
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Hugh Barnes wrote: > Just thought I'd interrupt the twitter-like pace of this list lately > [1] and mention this. > > As I keep reading in feeds [2], linux.conf.au 2010 is on in Wellington > early next year. We've discussed before how "cool" it might be to put > up a paper, tutorial or display there [3], if only we could get it > together. Well, there are two days left. I'm writing this on the > off-chance some motivated individual might have a spare few hours to > put together something, anything, for this conference by Friday. (I > would actually have liked to put together a proposal for a mini-conf on > open data, but alas that deadline passed a few weeks back. ~:) 1. who would go? 2. who is prepared to speak? 2a. 45 mins is fair bit of time to talk through _ I would have managed about 20 mins last time I presented on OSM 3. can people get together on this list and put together a proposal in the next 18 hours? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ABS post code areas
Hi. I have seen a couple of places where you have put these. Can you please put something like layer=-5, as otherwise they cover up other layers in the town. - Ben. 2009/7/29 John Smith > > I plan to tag landuse=residential polygons with town information, or try > to, things like is_in:country, is_in:state and state multipolygons can be > tagged with country information, the only corner case then is roads between > towns which is where postcode boundaries would be useful. > > > > > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Putting things into perspective...
I was watching the State of the Map Canadian talk and they point out how low the population density of Canada is, also the fact most of the population lives within about 100 miles of the US border. Australia has a lower population density but suffers the same fate when it comes to the majority of the population clustering around the border essentially. Most information is from CIA world fact book site, which gives July 2009 estimates. Landmass in Mill. Sq km --- 2. Canada 10 3. USA9.8 6. Aust. 7.7 85.UK 0.2 Population in Mill -- 4. USA307 (82% urban) 23.UK 61 (90% urban) 39.Canada 33 (80% urban) 55.Aust. 21 (89% urban) Information from wikipedia is from some 2004 estimate but the order is what I was after the actual density can be calculated. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density Population Density (People per Sq km) - 52. UK305.0 177.USA31.3 227.Canada 3.3 232.Aust. 2.7 238.Denmark 0.03 Density Map http://www.mapsofworld.com/australia/images/populatilon-dencity.gif To sum up, Australia is the 6th largest country in the world, by area excluding Antarctica etc, yet almost the lowest population density in the world, and for the most part Canada is in the same boat. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ABS postcode boundaries
--- On Wed, 29/7/09, Franc Carter wrote: > I've created a set of .osm files from the ABS postcode > boundary data. Each > .osm file is a way that encloses the postcode, so that you > could use it to find > the boundaries of that postcode. I know exactly the postcode boundaries of one postcode and others less specifically and I can say with complete certainty that the ABS is off a fair bit in places. At a guess it seems they shoe horned the postcode information into their existing boundaries, but it is wrong none the less, so the question is how much baby do we throw out with the bath water? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] ABS postcode boundaries
Hi all, I've created a set of .osm files from the ABS postcode boundary data. Each .osm file is a way that encloses the postcode, so that you could use it to find the boundaries of that postcode. John has kindley provided hosting for the files at:- http://maps.bigtincan.com/data/postcodes/ cheers -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] LCA2010
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:53:47 +1000 James Livingston wrote: > On 29/07/2009, at 10:43 PM, Hugh Barnes wrote: > > I think OSM's profile in the FOSS community is a little dim. > > There have been quite a few posts on planet.gnome.org in the last > couple of months about integrating maps (mostly OSM via > libchamplain) into Gnome applications. However we do need to get more > people aware of it. > Agreed. Sorry, I meant in Oz specifically. > > Would someone like to put some words together to go about > > addressing this? If > > you do, best to let the list know of your intent to do so. You might > > even get some helper elves. Urgh. > > Something I mentioned the other year, although way too late to do > anything about, was that we should really get LCA to use > OpenStreetMap for it's mapping needs. As well as any official maps, > there are often Google Maps-based things with all the good coffee > shops, pubs and eateries in the area marked. > > It may need some work by people in the area (I haven't checked yet), > but it would be good if the area surrounding the conference was well > mapped out by January. > Yeah, earlier in that same thread I think. Good plan. Hopefully the NZ LINZ data import will have been done by then. Of course, I'm expecting much more can be mapped than whatever's in that dataset. It's the detail that makes OSM maps stand out IMO. Another possibility is that it could be an official LCA task to do some micro-mapping. Brain dumping. Cheers ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] LCA2010
--- On Wed, 29/7/09, Hugh Barnes wrote: > As I keep reading in feeds [2], linux.conf.au 2010 is on in > Wellington > early next year. We've discussed before how "cool" it might Dunno how many on this list are in NZ, you might want to try the main talk list too. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] LCA2010
On 29/07/2009, at 10:43 PM, Hugh Barnes wrote: > I think OSM's profile in the FOSS community is a little dim. There have been quite a few posts on planet.gnome.org in the last couple of months about integrating maps (mostly OSM via libchamplain) into Gnome applications. However we do need to get more people aware of it. > Would someone like to put some words together to go about addressing > this? If > you do, best to let the list know of your intent to do so. You might > even get some helper elves. Urgh. Something I mentioned the other year, although way too late to do anything about, was that we should really get LCA to use OpenStreetMap for it's mapping needs. As well as any official maps, there are often Google Maps-based things with all the good coffee shops, pubs and eateries in the area marked. It may need some work by people in the area (I haven't checked yet), but it would be good if the area surrounding the conference was well mapped out by January. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] LCA2010
Hi Just thought I'd interrupt the twitter-like pace of this list lately [1] and mention this. As I keep reading in feeds [2], linux.conf.au 2010 is on in Wellington early next year. We've discussed before how "cool" it might be to put up a paper, tutorial or display there [3], if _only_ we could get it together. Well, there are two days left. I'm writing this on the off-chance some motivated individual might have a spare few hours to put together something, anything, for this conference by Friday. (I would actually have liked to put together a proposal for a mini-conf on open data, but alas that deadline passed a few weeks back. ~:) I think OSM's profile in the FOSS community is a little dim. Would someone like to put some words together to go about addressing this? If you do, best to let the list know of your intent to do so. You might even get some helper elves. Urgh. A tutorial on getting traces/whatever on the ground, using them to edit the map, and then what can be done with that data, seems the most compelling content to me. What's not to love about it? Cheers [1] Yes, the signal to noise ratio of late is a real issue for me! [2] e.g. http://www.michaeldavies.org/weblog/tech/linux-australia/lca2010/last-chance.html [3] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2009-January/001317.html ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] navit
--- On Wed, 29/7/09, Mark Hetherington wrote: > I'm very interested in the Australia image. I'm curious how > it's being processed though, when I did the processing > myself I found searching in navit did not work. My > investigations to this point indicated I needed a patched > version of osm2navit to put all nodes "in" Australia. Any > special tricks up your sleeve? Nothing special, just followed the directions on this wiki page: http://www.rigacci.org/wiki/doku.php/doc/appunti/hardware/eeepc_navit I downloaded the data for Australia, rather than Italy though :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] navit
Hi John, I'm very interested in the Australia image. I'm curious how it's being processed though, when I did the processing myself I found searching in navit did not work. My investigations to this point indicated I needed a patched version of osm2navit to put all nodes "in" Australia. Any special tricks up your sleeve? Cheers, Mark John Smith wrote: > For those that are interested, I'll be building a daily or weekly navit file, > I ran it over aussie data only and the file comes out to about 41M, and if > there is any interest I could keep building a NZ only file and it'll be about > 4M. > > http://maps.bigtincan.com/data/Australia-20090728.navit.bin > http://maps.bigtincan.com/data/NZ-20090728.navit.bin > > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ABS post code areas
A tar file containing individually compressed .osm files is 83M. This seemed liked a sensible way to package it so that bits could be extracted, but I could package it differently if you like cheers On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Franc Carter wrote: > > Thanks, > > I'll find out how big they are > > cheers > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 7:32 PM, John Smith wrote: > >> >> >> >> --- On Wed, 29/7/09, Franc Carter wrote: >> >> > I more than happy to put the extract somewhere - I just >> > need to find a place. I'll re-extract >> > them all, compress them and see how big they are >> >> I have ample space on the virtual system I setup for the map stuff I'm >> screwing about with so happy to host them for you, or I think you can get >> OSM to host things like this too. >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Franc > -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ABS post code areas
Thanks, I'll find out how big they are cheers On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 7:32 PM, John Smith wrote: > > > > --- On Wed, 29/7/09, Franc Carter wrote: > > > I more than happy to put the extract somewhere - I just > > need to find a place. I'll re-extract > > them all, compress them and see how big they are > > I have ample space on the virtual system I setup for the map stuff I'm > screwing about with so happy to host them for you, or I think you can get > OSM to host things like this too. > > > > -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ABS post code areas
--- On Wed, 29/7/09, Franc Carter wrote: > I more than happy to put the extract somewhere - I just > need to find a place. I'll re-extract > them all, compress them and see how big they are I have ample space on the virtual system I setup for the map stuff I'm screwing about with so happy to host them for you, or I think you can get OSM to host things like this too. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Re: [talk-au] ABS post code areas
I more than happy to put the extract somewhere - I just need to find a place. I'll re-extract them all, compress them and see how big they are cheers On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 7:26 PM, John Smith wrote: > > --- On Wed, 29/7/09, Franc Carter wrote: > > > ways making up the suburb boundaries should be included in > > the postcode boundaries for these, > > so I didn't add them. > > I pointed out in another email, indirectly, that town boundaries won't > match postcode boundaries either. > > > A very low tech solution that I took for a couple of > > postcode before I got distracted was to > > export the postcode boundaries as individual .osm files, > > load them u p and then eyeball them > > Any chance of getting a copy of these? > > > > -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ABS post code areas
--- On Wed, 29/7/09, Franc Carter wrote: > ways making up the suburb boundaries should be included in > the postcode boundaries for these, > so I didn't add them. I pointed out in another email, indirectly, that town boundaries won't match postcode boundaries either. > A very low tech solution that I took for a couple of > postcode before I got distracted was to > export the postcode boundaries as individual .osm files, > load them u p and then eyeball them Any chance of getting a copy of these? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ABS post code areas
I did the import of the ABS suburb boundaries. When I did so I did some preliminary examination of the post code boundaries. Some post code boundaries were identical to a single suburb boundary. For those I also created a postcode relation that included the same ways as the suburb boundary relation. However many of the postcode boundaries did not match to suburbs perfectly - I suspect because ABS postcodes often include multiple ABS suburbs. I couldn't think of a way to work out which of the ways making up the suburb boundaries should be included in the postcode boundaries for these, so I didn't add them. So, I believe the problem is how to solve that issue, with the additional hurdle that some the ABS boundaries will have been tweaked based on local knowledge (I at least, have done this). A very low tech solution that I took for a couple of postcode before I got distracted was to export the postcode boundaries as individual .osm files, load them u p and then eyeball them with respect to the previously imported suburb boundaries cheers On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 2:55 PM, John Smith wrote: > > Not sure who is working on this specifically or if there was a group, but > how far did post code area data get to? > > If things have stalled, what's the reason and is there anything to kick > them off again? > > This relates to a discussion on the main talk list about is_in tags being > redundant, the only objection was from people that didn't want to re-code > some of their routing software, but they don't necessarily need to as an OSM > file could be produced weekly that automatically fills that info in from > boundary data. > > > > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] maxheight/height
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Mark Williams wrote: > > Therefore maxheight is a property of the way going under the bridge, > possibly >1 way if the road is fragmented in OSM, and ought to be on the > whole road from where the sign is until after the bridge. Yup, that seems to be the consensus. And when there is no sign? I would suggest tagging only the part of the way that is physically restricted, i.e. physically under the bridge. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
