Re: [talk-au] Twitter like emails
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:02 AM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > > "Suitable channels"? > suitable for what? I think those complaining about list activity need to be more specific about what is and what isn't "acceptable". You can't just ask people to stop being "twitter-like". Personally, I think staying on topic is good enough - it's easy to skip a thread based on the email subject if it is not of interest to you. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Twitter like emails
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, Hugh Barnes wrote: > I'm sorry, you've got the onus for change on completely the wrong side. > The "tweeters" are the offending parties in this case, and also in the > minority. They should adapt their behaviour to those of us who follow > standard behavioural norms and who consider others, instead of the > other way around. > > There are more suitable channels, as Jeff pointed out, or start your > own list. "offenders??" this list is described on the page which lists the osm mailing lists as "place for Aussie mappers to chat" I don't use twitter or any social networking sites, and don't care for any opinion that my behaviour may be like being on one of those. "Suitable channels"? suitable for what? I appreciate that list traffic is increasing, but that is the nature of life, and I increase the list traffic by inviting as many Aussie mappers as I can onto this list. -- Harp not on that string. -- William Shakespeare, "Henry VI" ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Twitter like emails
2009/10/7 Hugh Barnes : > On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:24:26 +1000 > John Smith wrote: > >> 2009/10/6 Liz : >> > On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Jeff Price wrote: >> >> G'day all, >> >> >> >> Any chance folks could take some conversations offline, or batch >> >> up their 15 emails into a single email? I presume I'm not the >> >> only one who has pretty well stopped paying any real attention to >> >> the talk-au list because its carrying on like a Twitter feed. >> >> >> >> Jeff. >> > if you get the list emailed as a digest ( an option you can set at >> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ) you have that >> > easily. >> > > This makes it difficult to take part in conversations in a thread-safe > way. > >> Alternatively emails can be either sent to a new mail account just for >> mailing list(s) emails or filtered differently from personal emails. >> > > I'm sorry, you've got the onus for change on completely the wrong side. > The "tweeters" are the offending parties in this case, and also in the > minority. They should adapt their behaviour to those of us who follow > standard behavioural norms and who consider others, instead of the > other way around. > > There are more suitable channels, as Jeff pointed out, or start your > own list. > > The serious effect of this chatter, whether I digest or not, is that I > miss a lot of important stuff because it's buried in the noise, which I > tend to skim. Please think it through with other people and the > net(work) effect in mind. > > Wiki vote, perhaps? This seems very subjective as to what an appropriate amount of emails is and and could possibly kill all conversation on this list, since people that do wish to subscribe to such emails will just shift to say talk-au-high-volume mailing list and this list will drop to almost nothing as a result. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Twitter like emails
gmail threads messages by topic by default which reduces clutter and
takes a lot of the pain out of cleanup :)
jim
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Hugh Barnes wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:24:26 +1000
> John Smith wrote:
>
>> 2009/10/6 Liz :
>> > On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Jeff Price wrote:
>> >> G'day all,
>> >>
>> >> Any chance folks could take some conversations offline, or batch
>> >> up their 15 emails into a single email? I presume I'm not the
>> >> only one who has pretty well stopped paying any real attention to
>> >> the talk-au list because its carrying on like a Twitter feed.
>> >>
>> >> Jeff.
>> > if you get the list emailed as a digest ( an option you can set at
>> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ) you have that
>> > easily.
>>
>
> This makes it difficult to take part in conversations in a thread-safe
> way.
>
>> Alternatively emails can be either sent to a new mail account just for
>> mailing list(s) emails or filtered differently from personal emails.
>>
>
> I'm sorry, you've got the onus for change on completely the wrong side.
> The "tweeters" are the offending parties in this case, and also in the
> minority. They should adapt their behaviour to those of us who follow
> standard behavioural norms and who consider others, instead of the
> other way around.
>
> There are more suitable channels, as Jeff pointed out, or start your
> own list.
>
> The serious effect of this chatter, whether I digest or not, is that I
> miss a lot of important stuff because it's buried in the noise, which I
> tend to skim. Please think it through with other people and the
> net(work) effect in mind.
>
> Wiki vote, perhaps?
>
> Cheers, hopefully not for the last time.
>
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[talk-au] Mapping railway lines.
If you get on a heritage train then these have windows that can be opened and a gps trace is no problem. Last weekend I surveyed the track from Wollongong through to Moss Vale. (riding behind the relaunched steam locomotive - 3265) In sydney you can get a signal on the Tangara trains but I couldn't get a signal on the Millennium train. I also couldn't get a signal on the explorer train but I don't know about the XPT. It would certainly help to get a lock prior to boarding. On the Tangara, I noticed that there was a relatively large stripe of "small black dots" at the top of the window. I think that these may be what allows the RF signal to enter. (Thats like the area on some windscreens where the RTA says to place the e-tag). On the Millennium sets, this stripe was very small. The C-set trains allowed a gps signal quite well. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Twitter like emails
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:24:26 +1000 John Smith wrote: > 2009/10/6 Liz : > > On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Jeff Price wrote: > >> G'day all, > >> > >> Any chance folks could take some conversations offline, or batch > >> up their 15 emails into a single email? I presume I'm not the > >> only one who has pretty well stopped paying any real attention to > >> the talk-au list because its carrying on like a Twitter feed. > >> > >> Jeff. > > if you get the list emailed as a digest ( an option you can set at > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ) you have that > > easily. > This makes it difficult to take part in conversations in a thread-safe way. > Alternatively emails can be either sent to a new mail account just for > mailing list(s) emails or filtered differently from personal emails. > I'm sorry, you've got the onus for change on completely the wrong side. The "tweeters" are the offending parties in this case, and also in the minority. They should adapt their behaviour to those of us who follow standard behavioural norms and who consider others, instead of the other way around. There are more suitable channels, as Jeff pointed out, or start your own list. The serious effect of this chatter, whether I digest or not, is that I miss a lot of important stuff because it's buried in the noise, which I tend to skim. Please think it through with other people and the net(work) effect in mind. Wiki vote, perhaps? Cheers, hopefully not for the last time. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] bike_training_track
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: > 2009/10/7 Elizabeth Dodd : > > On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: > >> 2009/10/7 Liz : > >> > got any ideas on tagging these? > >> > >> leisure=track > >> sport=cycling > > > > that suggests a velodrome to me > > or at least a racing track > > cycleway=track I've sent JS a piccie of a dinki-di kids bike training track no way is it a cycleway unless cycleway=toy -- All I know is what the words know, and dead things, and that makes a handsome little sum, with a beginning and a middle and an end, as in the well-built phrase and the long sonata of the dead. -- Samuel Beckett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] bike_training_track
2009/10/7 Elizabeth Dodd : > On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: >> 2009/10/7 Liz : >> > got any ideas on tagging these? >> >> leisure=track >> sport=cycling > that suggests a velodrome to me > or at least a racing track cycleway=track ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] bike_training_track
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: > 2009/10/7 Liz : > > got any ideas on tagging these? > > leisure=track > sport=cycling that suggests a velodrome to me or at least a racing track -- Your boss climbed the corporate ladder, wrong by wrong. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] bike_training_track
2009/10/7 Liz : > > got any ideas on tagging these? leisure=track sport=cycling ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] bike_training_track
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Re: [talk-au] Mapping railway lines
John Smith wrote: > On one of the wiki pages it talks about something like this with > European trains, and unless you get a GPS lock before boarding the > train you most likely won't get one at all, however once you have a > lock it's easier to keep it. I've started using a amplified external antenna on my Garmin GPSmap 76CSx. On the roof of the car it indicates ±2m accuracy unless there's dense tree cover. Depending on placement opportunities, maybe that'd improve reception and accuracy in a train. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping railway lines
Liz wrote: > I drew in railway line from landsat (hopefully that was marked as source) and > lined it up with crossings and bridges. > If you have better data, please move the railway. > > I haven't managed to get a trace on any railway because I seem to be limited > to walk, bike, car, plane. > If anyone knows someone who drives trains out of from Junee we could get them > to use a GPS a few times. That would be great if it could happen. And especially for the section I identified earlier, as there are at least 3 distinct lines which weave, cross and re-cross over each other on the climb north out of Bethungra. And not far from Junee. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet
Maybe google is feeling a little intimidated by all the announcements of new roads turning up on OSM as soon as construction finishes! In this case they've jumped the gun and show dual carriage way where it's still under construction: http://maps.google.com.au/maps?ll=-26.186039,152.654761&z=18 http://osm.org/go/ueTQprZn8-- I came past it this afternoon and it's no where near completed. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping railway lines
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, John Henderson wrote: > Has anyone had success using a GPS unit inside a metal railway carriage > to map a railway line? > > I notice that parts of the main line between Sydney and Melbourne are > missing, eg: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.7446&lon=147.886&zoom=14&layers=B000F >TF > > I'd consider doing the trip on the XPT if someone has proven it's viable. > > And I've also had to move the railway line aside quite a distance when > accurately adding roads in the Yass area. > I drew in railway line from landsat (hopefully that was marked as source) and lined it up with crossings and bridges. If you have better data, please move the railway. I haven't managed to get a trace on any railway because I seem to be limited to walk, bike, car, plane. If anyone knows someone who drives trains out of from Junee we could get them to use a GPS a few times. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping railway lines
2009/10/7 swanilli : > I can't offer an opinion on Sydney-Melbourne, but I spend a fair bit of time > on trains and have checked the OSM rail data for Sydney-Newcastle, > Sydney-Richmond, Sydney-Katoomba, Sydney-Bomaderry and Sydney-Moss Vale. > This is in metal carriages and except for one occasion, my GPS reported more > than acceptable accuracy (say 6 - 8m) and I concluded that there was no need > to adjust the OSM entries. The problem, as I alluded to in another posting, > is what happens when there are large land features next to the track or > tunnels. > > The exception was one trip south when the GPS was unable to get a signal at > any time. Since the carriage was identical to lots of others in which I had > no problem I concluded it must be the metallic coated glass. I have had the > same problem with Victorian VLine carriages. > > While I accept that theoretically a large metal box might be a problem, my > own field observations indicate that in practice it need not be. You can > only tell by trying your GPS out in the carriage you travel in. On one of the wiki pages it talks about something like this with European trains, and unless you get a GPS lock before boarding the train you most likely won't get one at all, however once you have a lock it's easier to keep it. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping railway lines
I can't offer an opinion on Sydney-Melbourne, but I spend a fair bit of time on trains and have checked the OSM rail data for Sydney-Newcastle, Sydney-Richmond, Sydney-Katoomba, Sydney-Bomaderry and Sydney-Moss Vale. This is in metal carriages and except for one occasion, my GPS reported more than acceptable accuracy (say 6 - 8m) and I concluded that there was no need to adjust the OSM entries. The problem, as I alluded to in another posting, is what happens when there are large land features next to the track or tunnels. The exception was one trip south when the GPS was unable to get a signal at any time. Since the carriage was identical to lots of others in which I had no problem I concluded it must be the metallic coated glass. I have had the same problem with Victorian VLine carriages. While I accept that theoretically a large metal box might be a problem, my own field observations indicate that in practice it need not be. You can only tell by trying your GPS out in the carriage you travel in. 2009/10/7 John Smith > 2009/10/7 swanilli : > > The problem is you will find not with the metal railway carriages but > with > > the coating on the windows. I find my GPS works well in almost all > carriages > > (I get accuracy typically of 6 m). > > The metal box is a large part of the problem, the windows are just > usually the easiest way to get a signal into the train but if they > increase the density or add a metalic coating obviously this is going > to cause problems too. > > I've done large sections of NSW and Qld railways from yahoo imagery, > while not 100% accurate it is the best way we have until some govt > agency releases data or someone is able to get a trace. > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
