Re: [talk-au] greenery between roads etc

2010-01-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Franc Carter wrote:

> What are people doing for the green areas that are between 'other
> things', e.g in the middle of large roundabouts, between didvided
> roads with significant space. I can see this as a two part thing -
> mapping the geography and mapping it's socially defined status. In the
> geography category the one I'm not clear on is those areas that are
> grassed with a proportion of trees - and no idea on the second issue
>
>
I think there's a lack of tags for stuff like that. If you have any ideas,
maybe we could come up with something and document it.

Steve
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Re: [talk-au] greenery between roads etc

2010-01-10 Thread John Smith
2010/1/11 Franc Carter :
> Hi,
>
> What are people doing for the green areas that are between 'other
> things', e.g in the middle of large roundabouts, between didvided
> roads with significant space. I can see this as a two part thing -
> mapping the geography and mapping it's socially defined status. In the
> geography category the one I'm not clear on is those areas that are
> grassed with a proportion of trees - and no idea on the second issue

I haven't bothered to map them, but you'd just make a small area
between lanes I assume and then tag natural=grass/trees etc

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Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-10 Thread John Smith
2010/1/11 Steve Bennett :
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 1:07 PM, James Livingston  wrote:
>>
>> Then we would have confusion around whether a picture on the ground counts
>> as a "sign" or not :)
>>
>> My dictionary says that "designated" (in this sense) means denoted, marked
>> or pointed out, which I'd say a sign or marking on the ground does. I seem
>> to recall tagging list arguing about what designated means quite a few times
>> already.
>>
>
> There's a pedestrian underpass near me that has a painted bicycle on the
> ground on the left side, and a sign with a bicycle with a cross through it.
> I interpret this combination as "cyclists use caution and don't hit anyone".
> I tagged it as "bicycle=yes". And no, I'm not tellingĀ  where it is :)

Hate to point out the obvious, but it's a split path, bikes are
allowed on one side and pedestrians on the other.

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[talk-au] greenery between roads etc

2010-01-10 Thread Franc Carter
Hi,

What are people doing for the green areas that are between 'other
things', e.g in the middle of large roundabouts, between didvided
roads with significant space. I can see this as a two part thing -
mapping the geography and mapping it's socially defined status. In the
geography category the one I'm not clear on is those areas that are
grassed with a proportion of trees - and no idea on the second issue

cheers

-- 
Franc

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Re: [talk-au] Download a route

2010-01-10 Thread John Smith
2010/1/11 John Henderson :
> It'll be a few days before I get back to Yass to realistically test the
> behaviour.

Make a local route and test it instead then, the script I made will
take any valid relation ID...

http://map-data.bigtincan.com/route2gpx/v2.php?routeid=XX&route=1

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Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions

2010-01-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 1:07 PM, James Livingston  wrote:

>
> Then we would have confusion around whether a picture on the ground counts
> as a "sign" or not :)
>
> My dictionary says that "designated" (in this sense) means denoted, marked
> or pointed out, which I'd say a sign or marking on the ground does. I seem
> to recall tagging list arguing about what designated means quite a few times
> already.
>
>
There's a pedestrian underpass near me that has a painted bicycle on the
ground on the left side, and a sign with a bicycle with a cross through it.
I interpret this combination as "cyclists use caution and don't hit anyone".
I tagged it as "bicycle=yes". And no, I'm not telling  where it is :)

Steve
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Re: [talk-au] Download a route

2010-01-10 Thread John Henderson
John Smith wrote:

> The roundabouts are ok, it's when the track goes in multiple
> directions that things fall over. Unless you tell it not to link
> anything > 1km or so apart, then it looks fine.
> 
> See if this works for you at all...
> 
> http://map-data.bigtincan.com/route2gpx/v2.php?routeid=308594&route=1

When I use Garmin MapSource to transfer the route to the GPS, I get a 
"Route truncated" message on the GPS.  But the route (or at least some 
of it) appears to be there, and the GPS seems happy to navigate by it.

It'll be a few days before I get back to Yass to realistically test the 
behaviour.

This is my first foray into using the route function on my Garmin 76CSx 
handheld.  My car GPS (Garmin Nuvi 1350) doesn't support routes.

Thanks again for your help - we've advanced my knowledge of how routing 
works.  But my understanding is still primitive.  I need to do a lot 
more research, experimentation and thinking.  I'll get back when I've 
got some definitive answers.

John H

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[talk-au] Custom highway shields

2010-01-10 Thread John Smith
While it might seem things have gone quiet on this front, there has
actually been some movement forward.

Firstly I figured out how easy inkscape is to make custom shields of a
tourist route which uses icons instead of numbers.

All I had to do was simply take a reasonably photo of the sign, and
then using the tracing function in inkscape I got this out:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Shield_australia_tourist_dugong.svg

This sign is used for both the Northern and Southern Moreton Bay
Tourist Drives around Brisbane.

I also managed to make one of the wagon wheel tourist sign near Gatton in Qld:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Shield_australia_tourist_wheel.svg

I've also spent a fair bit of time on how to efficiently turn the
lookup table on the wiki page into something useful code wise so these
custom shields start to render, and for more than just Australia as
Hawke has been collecting and putting up SVG images of US highway
shields on the wiki:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Custom_Highway_Shields#United_States_of_America

So far we think we know what needs to be done, it's just a case of
publishing a working proof of concept and from there tweaking it to be
as efficient as possible.

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Re: [talk-au] Download a route

2010-01-10 Thread John Smith
2010/1/10 John Henderson :
> John Smith wrote:
>> Does anyone know of a complete route that we can use for testing
>> against? Or at least one without large gaps between member ways...
>
> The HHWT has only one gap, at Lake Burrinjuck:
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/308594
>
> Lots of ways, including 3 roundabouts in Yass township.

The roundabouts are ok, it's when the track goes in multiple
directions that things fall over. Unless you tell it not to link
anything > 1km or so apart, then it looks fine.

See if this works for you at all...

http://map-data.bigtincan.com/route2gpx/v2.php?routeid=308594&route=1

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