Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries
On 16 February 2010 17:32, Roy Wallace wrote: > I hope you mean that *editors* should be improved to help prevent > these accidents? (which I think is an excellent idea) Considering the types of editing wars that could happen over international borders, I wasn't suggesting anything about editors, it only takes one editor that allows a free for all and this is a pointless exercise for the most part... > ...as opposed to the suggestion of appointing an authority to hand out > various levels of editing authorisation (which I think is crazy). Actually I wasn't suggesting anything about an authority, just limiting what new accounts can do, although with the option of allowing new accounts to do this as well, remember this is suppose to be a deterent, not actually stop someone with appropriate skill level from doing anything. Anyone suitably determined won't be stopped by something like this. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries
On 16 February 2010 17:38, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > Yes, if we can get editing software to co-operate rather than getting persons > "licensed" that could be helpful > Any particular ideas on how to phrase this for enhancement requests? I did make a suggestion about a potlatch tutorial mode... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] answers to the difficult questions
anyone decided how to tag a grey water or effluent dump? or a Men's Shed? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] answers to the difficult questions
On 16 February 2010 20:04, Liz wrote: > anyone decided how to tag a grey water or effluent dump? amenity=waste_disposal ? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] answers to the difficult questions
On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, John Smith wrote: > On 16 February 2010 20:04, Liz wrote: > > anyone decided how to tag a grey water or effluent dump? > > amenity=waste_disposal ? > not clear that it is effluent being disposed of i put tourism=effluent_dump but I think I've used something else elsewhere :-( -- No violence, gentlemen -- no violence, I beg of you! Consider the furniture! -- Sherlock Holmes ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries
On Tue, 2010-02-16 at 17:32 +1000, Roy Wallace wrote: > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Liz wrote: > > > >> Perhaps admin boundaries need to be "locked" from editing until people > >> have a certain amount of mapping under their belt and/or ask for the > >> ability to add/edit/delete admin boundaries, this might prevent or at > >> least reduce some of the accidents and new accounts being created to > >> shift borders for the wrong reasons. > > I hope you mean that *editors* should be improved to help prevent > these accidents? (which I think is an excellent idea) > > ...as opposed to the suggestion of appointing an authority to hand out > various levels of editing authorisation (which I think is crazy). I think theres merit to both sides of the argument. Ive seen a few areas that have been drastically changed by a new user who didnt understand entirely what they were doing, but on the other hand, Ive been mapping for over a year and though I never purposely touch suburb boundaries, I have accidently changed (then fixed) them from time to time. I think it would be good to have some way to lock the boundaries (and as has been suggested before, hiding the boundaries too). While I think its important that anyone should be able to edit the boundaries, I think some/most changes to them are accidental and the user should have to specify whether they wish to be able to make changes to boundaries, or whether theyd rather the system protect itself from accidental changes they might make. David ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] answers to the difficult questions
On Tue, 2010-02-16 at 21:41 +1100, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, John Smith wrote: > > On 16 February 2010 20:04, Liz wrote: > > > anyone decided how to tag a grey water or effluent dump? > > > > amenity=waste_disposal ? > > > not clear that it is effluent being disposed of > i put tourism=effluent_dump but I think I've used something else elsewhere What about.. amenity=waste_disposal waste=excrement Alternatively, there is also recycling:excrement=yes If the effluent dump is part of some sort of recycling facility, such as a boat pump-out station. David ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] answers to the difficult questions
IMHO tourism=effluent_dump is good, as they are aimed at tourists, but it is not an attraction as such. recycling:excrement=yes not really relevant it is not really recycling. or even amenity=waste_disposal waste=excrement Not bad, but the second tag is useless by itself, it would be better if it was a single tag, like amenity=effluent_dump Similar to amenity=toilet ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Nearmap for Wollongong
Hi. I see that Wollongong has coverage now. - Ben. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] answers to the difficult questions
On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 02:36 +0800, Andrew Laughton wrote: > recycling:excrement=yes > not really relevant it is not really recycling. Why not? Unless you put the waste into a sealed container and bury it in the ground, almost all effluent is partially recycled, eg sewage/septic systems. > amenity=waste_disposal > waste=excrement > Not bad, but the second tag is useless by itself Which is why you dont use it by itself. name= tag is useless by itself too, but thats no reason encourage a merger to use 'highway_name' as a single tag... or did I miss your point? David ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] answers to the difficult questions
On 17 February 2010 10:31, David Murn wrote: > Why not? Unless you put the waste into a sealed container and bury it > in the ground, almost all effluent is partially recycled, eg > sewage/septic systems. It might be treated/broken down by enzymes and the water might be put back into a river or the ground, but that isn't recycling the effluent. In fact the effluent that comes out of caravans/boats these days has a blue chemical to reduce the smell and so anything being dumped has to be treated. The only recycling that could occur is if the effluent itself gets turned into fertiliser, like bags of nitrogen. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Planning Mapping Party in Canberra - Haiti Edition
Hi Dave, Sorry I should update the list - I haven't had much interest - so i am going to postpone it and try to organise one in march at the botanical gardens. As Jim said they are the blank spot in Canberra. I will scope out the gardens this Sunday to see where we can setup - probably near the cafe. If anyone else wants to join me ping me off list Shoaib On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:50 PM, David Murn wrote: > Hello Shoaib, > > Ive just come across the page youve setup for the upcoming party on Feb > 27th. Im hopeful to be able to come to this event, but Im unsure > exactly which category to register as. I dont consider myself an expert > (for example Ive rarely used josm), however Im far from a new user > having spent a while mapping my local area with potlatch. > > How much interest has there been from others yet? Has there been any > suggestions of locations to map? > > Cheers > David > > On Sat, 2010-01-30 at 22:48 +1100, Shoaib Burq wrote: >> Hi David >> >> Jim Croft (cc'd) replied saying he will be interested as well. >> Thinking of organising this one in late February/early March - >> probably Saturday the 27 Feb. I was organising an event for the sake >> of publicity and training hence somewhere central would be nice. >> However, if I run it in National Library of Australia (NLA) then it >> does mean getting the NLA on board and letting us run the event. But >> they would normally charge. >> >> Unless you know someone at NLA who can let us use a theatre? So far I >> haven't been able to find a venue which is kids-friendly, free and has >> internet as well. >> >> Other options are Oaks Brassarie: http://osm.org/go/uNlQcknqd-- >> or the Botanic Gardens: http://osm.org/go/uNlRhT5k2-- >> Botanic Gardens really could do with some mapping >> >> Last September we met in the National library and it was quite >> pleasant outside so the kids could run around in the veranda of the >> library. In March it might get too hot. If we run an informal party we >> can still meet in the library. We will have to excuse the parents if >> they decide to leave early. Do you have any other venues in mind? >> >> But we can also have a normal mapping party where we meet with the aim >> to just map. >> >> I'll ride out to Oaks Brassarie tomorrow to see the suitability of the >> location >> >> Let me know what you guys think of the venue and date. >> In the mean time happy mapping :-) >> Shoaib >> -- >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, David Murn wrote: >> > >> > Hello Shoaib, >> > >> > Ive been a regular contributor to OSM for a number of years, although >> > only through skills Ive learnt myself and bits and pieces Ive picked up >> > along the way. Id be very interested in attending this event or any >> > others similar that may be organised around the ACT region. Have you >> > had any other feedback or interest? I replied to someone else who >> > proposed a Canberra party a couple of weeks ago, who said he'd had no >> > other replies. >> > >> > David >> > >> > On Tue, 2010-01-26 at 00:50 +1100, Shoaib Burq wrote: >> > > Hi All, >> > > >> > > I am currently considering a charity mapping party and need some ideas >> > > from the oz community. Last mapping party I held in Canberra 20 odd >> > > people turned up. I think the interest in OSM is growing. >> > > >> > > So I am considering organizing a mapping party next month where GIS >> > > professionals who actually want to learn about OSM for use at work to >> > > pay a token sum of $2 which gets donated to Red Cross for Haiti. >> > > Believe me there are a lot of ArcGIS ppl here in Canberra who are >> > > seriously considering using OSM for work. >> > > >> > > I want your thoughts on the idea. Any gaping holes, objections? I also >> > > want to know if we have any jointly held (as in the trusted osm >> > > community) paypal account. If not I will have to hesitantly use my >> > > own. >> > > >> > > I have tentatively selected Feb 20th for the party please see >> > > http://mappingparty.eventwax.com/canberra-mapping-party-2/ >> > > Feed back welcome >> > > >> > > Kind regards >> > > Shoaib Burq >> > > -- >> > > Canberra >> > > twitter: http://twitter.com/sabman >> > > http://nomad-labs.com >> > > ___ >> > > Talk-au mailing list >> > > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> > >> > > > > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] answers to the difficult questions
>> amenity=waste_disposal >> waste=excrement >> Not bad, but the second tag is useless by itself > Which is why you dont use it by itself. name= tag is useless by itself > too, but thats no reason encourage a merger to use 'highway_name' as a > single tag... or did I miss your point? The point being if someone wanted to search for the nearest effluent dump, it would be much easier to search for a single tag, not multiple tags. Any effluent dump may also have a waste oil dump / normal rubbish dump nearby as well, making the tags a bit messy and hard to search for. "amenity=waste_disposal" starts to become ambiguous if there is no "waste" tag to go with it. In my opinion it would be a bit tidier without the waste tag, and have extra "amenity" tag options. Andrew. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] answers to the difficult questions
On 17 February 2010 17:19, Andrew Laughton wrote: > The point being if someone wanted to search for the nearest effluent > dump, it would be much easier to search for a single tag, not multiple > tags. Which relies on the assumption of no pre-processing. You can potentially make the same argument for a lot of tags, like is_in, that doesn't make it the best reason for doing something. Using the is_in example things moved onto admin boundary relations to describe this information, instead of tagging every single node, way and relation inside an admin boundary with the exact same information over and over again. Thanks to pre-processing we don't need to do this to know what admin boundaries an object is inside of. > Any effluent dump may also have a waste oil dump / normal rubbish dump > nearby as well, making the tags a bit messy and hard to search for. > "amenity=waste_disposal" starts to become ambiguous if there is no > "waste" tag to go with it. I have seen a lot of effulent dump points for caravans that are on their own, the other types of waste are usually handled by a recycling centre, and tagging what types of waste those centres will handle is probably useful as well: http://www.moretonbay.qld.gov.au/living.aspx?id=846 > In my opinion it would be a bit tidier without the waste tag, and have > extra "amenity" tag options. Yes and look at how many amenity tags there are, and growing, I think a little grouping wouldn't hurt things. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Planning Mapping Party in Canberra - Haiti Edition
On 17 February 2010 16:45, Shoaib Burq wrote: > Sorry I should update the list - I haven't had much interest - so i am > going to postpone it and try to organise one in march at the botanical > gardens. As Jim said they are the blank spot in Canberra. > > I will scope out the gardens this Sunday to see where we can setup - > probably near the cafe. Have you seen the ideas David has been running with for the mapping parties he organises in Brisbane? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
