[talk-au] Incorrectly expanding abbreviations
The ICSM website http://www.icsm.gov.au/ has some interseting standards on road naming etc. E.G A road leading up to a mountain honouring St Patrick may be called MOUNT ST PATRICKS ROAD but not Mt Saint Patrick's Rd It also has interesting standards for roundabouts (e.g they must NOT have names) and slip roads. Maybe we should adhere to these standards in Australia and point people to them. On another standards matter, with the availability of nearmap it is now becoming an issue as to whether to join footways to roads and as to whether landuse areas should be glued to roadwaysor not. It would be great if mappers were automatically presented with keepright or validator output on all uploads. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Incorrectly expanding abbreviations
On 10 March 2010 20:01, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we should adhere to these standards in Australia and point people to them. Or at least getting them to tag what is signed, I've never seen a Saint George bank, but I've seen plenty of St George banks... and people changed the town of St George to Saint George... On another standards matter, with the availability of nearmap it is now becoming an issue as to whether to join footways to roads and as to whether landuse areas should be glued to roadwaysor not. These are topics for another thread, this one is about incorrectly expanding abbreviations. It would be great if mappers were automatically presented with keepright or validator output on all uploads. Get right doesn't always get it right, and in some cases the validator plugin in JOSM has led me astray and caused me to make errors that had to be fixed later, I think this could cause as many problems as it would solve. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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John Smith wrote: Or at least getting them to tag what is signed, I've never seen a "Saint George" bank, but I've seen plenty of St George banks... and people changed the town of St George to Saint George... If you are correcting the bank name, it is actually "St.George" - includes the full stop, but no spaces. Check their website. Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 10 March 2010 22:24, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: If you are correcting the bank name, it is actually St.George - includes the full stop, but no spaces. Check their website. I'll have to find a branch locally and see what's on their signs... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, John Smith wrote: On 10 March 2010 22:24, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: If you are correcting the bank name, it is actually St.George - includes the full stop, but no spaces. Check their website. I'll have to find a branch locally and see what's on their signs... http://billiau.net/zoph/photo.php?photo_id=5505 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:15 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone have any thoughts about what to do about this? Contact those that made the incorrect changes. Other than that...Is there a particular wiki page that recommends names be spelt out in full? If so, you could add a warning there against indiscriminate corrections made in this regard. Not much more you can do... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Banks statements have st.george as in the logo in the previous photo. It also has St.George in the text information section and St. George Bank Limited (with . and space) on the top right with their ABN etc. Regards, Michael Hampson Ph: 02 4739 4938 On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, John Smith wrote: On 10 March 2010 22:24, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: If you are correcting the bank name, it is actually St.George - includes the full stop, but no spaces. Check their website. I'll have to find a branch locally and see what's on their signs... http://billiau.net/zoph/photo.php?photo_id=5505 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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There is an almost universal rule in style manuals - full stop after an abbreviation, not after a contraction. but you can not control what people choose to do with 'style'... :) jim On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Michael Hampson mc.hamp...@gmail.com wrote: Banks statements have st.george as in the logo in the previous photo. It also has St.George in the text information section and St. George Bank Limited (with . and space) on the top right with their ABN etc. Regards, Michael Hampson Ph: 02 4739 4938 On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, John Smith wrote: On 10 March 2010 22:24, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: If you are correcting the bank name, it is actually St.George - includes the full stop, but no spaces. Check their website. I'll have to find a branch locally and see what's on their signs... http://billiau.net/zoph/photo.php?photo_id=5505 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 11 March 2010 06:59, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Contact those that made the incorrect changes. Other than that...Is The mistakes I've seen so far seem a couple of years old, dunno if Liz did anything about the person making changes to the town of St George or not. I guess I was just trying to highlight these mistakes so people would be more aware of them. there a particular wiki page that recommends names be spelt out in full? If so, you could add a warning there against indiscriminate corrections made in this regard. Not much more you can do... There is for things like St - Street, but it seems some people have taken this out of context. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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On 11 March 2010 05:40, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: http://billiau.net/zoph/photo.php?photo_id=5505 Thanks for saving me the trip, so on their signs it looks like 'st.george' ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Incorrectly expanding abbreviations
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we should adhere to these standards in Australia and point people to them. Yep. I think with abbreviations, common sense isn't going to help - let's just define some rules and stick to them. As I understand it, we always expand St to Street, even though the renderer just contracts it again. But we could agree to never expand St to Saint. St Kilda is definitely never Saint Kilda. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
