Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
I find that it scares me that OSM tools are being locked down. One we have flash tools that need a non free runtime, and developers who dont give a damn, then we have this silverlight drama about to unfold. The tools should not be dependant on one license or server or one point of view. We need to adopt a more neutral point of view like wikipedia has, and stop pushing people towards one technology or license. I maintain that competition will help and not harm osm as a project, and that Is why I support creative and not destructive usages of osm and its tools and data in different ways. We need to make sure the tools are open and free, and to be used without a specific purpose or intent. Putting in code changes for the purpose of motivating a certain behavior, to motivate a license change or purpose of usage to limit it to a certain server is wrong in my view. thanks, mike On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: > "nearmap does not support the planned license change so we'd rather > have people using bing" --frederik > > Where is the license information from bing that makes deriving > information from their maps compatiable with OSM? > > Time to fork josm... fjosm! > -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
"nearmap does not support the planned license change so we'd rather have people using bing" --frederik Where is the license information from bing that makes deriving information from their maps compatiable with OSM? Time to fork josm... fjosm! ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
Great Grant, thanks alot! so john, you gotta talk to big fred : "nearmap does not support the planned license change so we'd rather have people using bing" Hope I am helping the discussion not harming. peace and love, thanks, mike On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Grant Slater wrote: > On 26 November 2010 10:32, Mike Dupont > wrote: >> That is funny, I hope we don't get into a forking of josm as well. OMG. >> The osm trac is taking forever to load, how lame. >> >> Luckily we are using github, which has real performance : >> https://github.com/openstreetmap/josm-plugins/commit/7402a2349583a250db930b8ac41b5ffa9885acc0#commitcomment-203309 >> >> It was removed by Firefishy aka gslater, grant-webs...@firefishy.com >> I cced him on this mail so he can answer you directly. >> > > The real code was remove in a previous commit. > https://github.com/openstreetmap/josm-plugins/commit/9610061c1c86f4fd55d10730ff4edc3831b5ac82 > My commit removed an old NearMap reference so the code would compile. > > / Grant > -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On 26 November 2010 10:32, Mike Dupont wrote: > That is funny, I hope we don't get into a forking of josm as well. OMG. > The osm trac is taking forever to load, how lame. > > Luckily we are using github, which has real performance : > https://github.com/openstreetmap/josm-plugins/commit/7402a2349583a250db930b8ac41b5ffa9885acc0#commitcomment-203309 > > It was removed by Firefishy aka gslater, grant-webs...@firefishy.com > I cced him on this mail so he can answer you directly. > The real code was remove in a previous commit. https://github.com/openstreetmap/josm-plugins/commit/9610061c1c86f4fd55d10730ff4edc3831b5ac82 My commit removed an old NearMap reference so the code would compile. / Grant ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On 26 November 2010 10:24, John Smith wrote: > On 26 November 2010 20:18, Emilie Laffray > wrote: > > As far as I can tell, we are still talking with Nearmap to find a > compromise > > acceptable to both party. The last email I exchanged with Ben Last was > last > > night. I don't think we are near a breakdown in communication at all. I > > Is there any kind of time line on this? It'd be nice if there was some > sort of guide to license change over for that matter too, it seems > previous time lines agreed upon are being ignored... > As much as I would like to commit to time line, I just can't. Legal stuff takes time to resolve and contrary to some organization like Wikimedia, we don't have full time staff and full time hired legal counsel. The only I can do is try to keep people up to date on some milestone. Again, if you have questions, I will be happy to try to answer them either publicly either privately (my time is sparse those days, so I apologize in any delay you might get before I answer you). I think my point of view is known (I believe in the CT and licensing change) but I certainly do not believe in preaching as I strongly believe that the claim should stand on their own and that's why we are still working on getting input and tweaking the CT in order to fix potential issues, which had an impact on the timeline and will continue to have one until we have a final version. This is unfortunate as I suspect that all of us want to go to mapping and start ignoring some legal issues whatever the output is. Emily Laffray ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
That is funny, I hope we don't get into a forking of josm as well. OMG. The osm trac is taking forever to load, how lame. Luckily we are using github, which has real performance : https://github.com/openstreetmap/josm-plugins/commit/7402a2349583a250db930b8ac41b5ffa9885acc0#commitcomment-203309 It was removed by Firefishy aka gslater, grant-webs...@firefishy.com I cced him on this mail so he can answer you directly. hope that helps, and peace and love to you all. Happy thanksgiving! thanks, mike On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 11:24 AM, John Smith wrote: > On 26 November 2010 20:18, Emilie Laffray wrote: >> As far as I can tell, we are still talking with Nearmap to find a compromise >> acceptable to both party. The last email I exchanged with Ben Last was last >> night. I don't think we are near a breakdown in communication at all. I > > Is there any kind of time line on this? It'd be nice if there was some > sort of guide to license change over for that matter too, it seems > previous time lines agreed upon are being ignored... > >> don't know who did this but I suspect it is for the same reason that it was >> removed from Potlatch in the first place. > > Unlike potlatch, JOSM is usually only used by advanced users and it's > a lot more complicated to access Nearmap imagery than potlatch... > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On 26 November 2010 20:18, Emilie Laffray wrote: > As far as I can tell, we are still talking with Nearmap to find a compromise > acceptable to both party. The last email I exchanged with Ben Last was last > night. I don't think we are near a breakdown in communication at all. I Is there any kind of time line on this? It'd be nice if there was some sort of guide to license change over for that matter too, it seems previous time lines agreed upon are being ignored... > don't know who did this but I suspect it is for the same reason that it was > removed from Potlatch in the first place. Unlike potlatch, JOSM is usually only used by advanced users and it's a lot more complicated to access Nearmap imagery than potlatch... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
On 26 November 2010 08:59, John Smith wrote: > Does this mean talks with Nearmap has failed to come to an amicable > arrangement? > > before: > http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/editors/josm/plugins/slippymap/src/org/openstreetmap/josm/plugins/slippymap/SlippyMapPreferences.java?p=24300 > after: > http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/editors/josm/plugins/slippymap/src/org/openstreetmap/josm/plugins/slippymap/SlippyMapPreferences.java > As far as I can tell, we are still talking with Nearmap to find a compromise acceptable to both party. The last email I exchanged with Ben Last was last night. I don't think we are near a breakdown in communication at all. I don't know who did this but I suspect it is for the same reason that it was removed from Potlatch in the first place. I am still hopeful that an agreement can be found as progress is being made towards resolving our difference. Emily Laffray ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Looks like Nearmap is gone from JOSM slippymap plugin
Does this mean talks with Nearmap has failed to come to an amicable arrangement? before: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/editors/josm/plugins/slippymap/src/org/openstreetmap/josm/plugins/slippymap/SlippyMapPreferences.java?p=24300 after: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/editors/josm/plugins/slippymap/src/org/openstreetmap/josm/plugins/slippymap/SlippyMapPreferences.java ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] MS imagery
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > Excellent. The thought does occur that if one used "source=bing", and > started tracing now, and for some reason the legal agreement didn't > eventuate, it would be easy to simply wipe all that data. But that > would be making life complicated, I suppose. Please don't do this until the legal matters are sorted out. OSM is a database of CC BY-SA data, not (CC BY-SA + some data which soon be CC BY-SA). ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
