Re: [talk-au] Wiki censorship
On 18 May 2011 23:12, Grant Slater wrote: > On 18 May 2011 14:02, John Smith wrote: >> On 18 May 2011 22:56, Grant Slater wrote: Grant has absolutely no respect for user wishes, he's defaced my own wiki page, which I can no longer edit, after I left a note asking people not to edit my wiki page. >>> >>> What bollocks. I added a notice to the *discussion page* with evidence >> >> Yes and since it usually takes 2 to tango, so what actions were taken >> against others? >> > > Please supply evidence. > I have listed the people who have been complaining about you and you > removing their complains from the discussion page. How about you start with the first person (Nop), he reverted it without any discussion, and you are the biggest hypocrite of them all, you seem to show no bounds when it comes to forcing your opinions of how people should communicate on others. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wiki censorship
On 18 May 2011 14:02, John Smith wrote: > On 18 May 2011 22:56, Grant Slater wrote: >>> Grant has absolutely no respect for user wishes, he's defaced my own >>> wiki page, which I can no longer edit, after I left a note asking >>> people not to edit my wiki page. >>> >> >> What bollocks. I added a notice to the *discussion page* with evidence > > Yes and since it usually takes 2 to tango, so what actions were taken > against others? > Please supply evidence. I have listed the people who have been complaining about you and you removing their complains from the discussion page. Regards Grant ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wiki censorship
On 18 May 2011 22:56, Grant Slater wrote: >> Grant has absolutely no respect for user wishes, he's defaced my own >> wiki page, which I can no longer edit, after I left a note asking >> people not to edit my wiki page. >> > > What bollocks. I added a notice to the *discussion page* with evidence Yes and since it usually takes 2 to tango, so what actions were taken against others? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wiki censorship
On 18 May 2011 06:32, John Smith wrote: > On 18 May 2011 06:38, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: >> Set of rules made by one group, complaints handled by same group, >> prosecution handled by same group, judgement made by same group, >> punishment handled by same group. > > Grant has absolutely no respect for user wishes, he's defaced my own > wiki page, which I can no longer edit, after I left a note asking > people not to edit my wiki page. > What bollocks. I added a notice to the *discussion page* with evidence why the decision for the 3 day block was taken. It is no fun dealing with someone so caustic. Discussion page is here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:JohnSmith You have repeatedly removed complains people have posted to the discussion for your actions on the wiki. Your actions removing complaints: amenity=fire_hydrant by User:Mnalis: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJohnSmith&action=historysubmit&diff=512995&oldid=512994 changes to Template:ValueDescription and Template:KeyDescription by User:Ck3d: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJohnSmith&action=historysubmit&diff=515390&oldid=515383 Removing template:no proposal by User:Skipper: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJohnSmith&action=historysubmit&diff=518365&oldid=518362 Request to retain messages on the discussion page. Me: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJohnSmith&action=historysubmit&diff=518930&oldid=518924 Again requesting to retain discussion. Me: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJohnSmith&action=historysubmit&diff=557940&oldid=557736 Complaint about you removing other peoples replies on other pages. User:!i!: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJohnSmith&action=historysubmit&diff=558255&oldid=558250 Request to play more friendly with other after Tag:historic=event your edit/revert war. Me: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJohnSmith&action=historysubmit&diff=636241&oldid=636233 Further details: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:JohnSmith#Justification_for_Wiki_Edit_Block Regards Grant ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 47, Issue 18
Try to silence the annoying, recalcitrant, users like John all you like Master Slater, but for every noisy one like him there are ten like me who are just sitting here reading in amazement at the sheer arrogance that is being displayed ... and the amount of spin being put it all would put Shane Warne to shame. I plan to stay to the very death of OSM as I know it... unless I am censored as well and banned or something. I won't be participating in the group though. Bully boy tactics don't go down well with me. From: "talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org" To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 9:00 PM Subject: Talk-au Digest, Vol 47, Issue 18 Send Talk-au mailing list submissions to talk-au@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Talk-au digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Wiki censorship (Grant Slater) 2. Re: Wiki censorship (John Smith) 3. Re: Wiki censorship (Elizabeth Dodd) 4. Re: Wiki censorship (Ben Kelley) 5. Re: Wiki censorship (Ben Kelley) 6. Re: Wiki censorship (John Smith) 7. Re: Wiki censorship (Tim Challis) 8. Re: Wiki censorship (John Smith) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 13:51:46 +0100 From: Grant Slater To: OSM Australian Talk List Subject: Re: [talk-au] Wiki censorship Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On 17 May 2011 11:54, John Smith wrote: > It seems if you are on the wining side of an argument you end up > blocked, so I'm most likely going to start an aussie wiki and not care > about the "official" wiki > As suggested by the #osm irc channel, I think you have misspelt 'whining'. ;-) Quick review of the violations of wikiquette which caused the wiki admins to feel it necessary to give User:JohnSmith a 3 day wiki edit block: ?censoring? criticism: http://wiki.osm.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JohnSmith&diff=prev&oldid=636241 http://wiki.osm.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJohnSmith&action=historysubmit&diff=512995&oldid=512994 http://wiki.osm.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJohnSmith&action=historysubmit&diff=514649&oldid=514556 http://wiki.osm.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJohnSmith&action=historysubmit&diff=515390&oldid=515383 http://wiki.osm.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJohnSmith&action=historysubmit&diff=518365&oldid=518362 Removing others? comments/replies: http://wiki.osm.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:historic%3Devent&diff=prev&oldid=634976 http://wiki.osm.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:historic%3Devent&diff=prev&oldid=634558 http://wiki.osm.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:historic%3Devent&curid=75255&diff=631969&oldid=631935 http://wiki.osm.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JohnSmith&diff=prev&oldid=558255 For the love of reverting other?s contributions: http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/JohnSmith Edit warring... http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/User_talk:Harry_Wood#User:JohnSmith http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/User_talk:Matt#Fire_Hydrants This 3 day wiki edit block is meant as a cooling off period and I hope you will take this time to reflect on how your edits affect other users of the wiki. Regards Grant -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 22:53:42 +1000 From: John Smith To: Grant Slater Cc: OSM Australian Talk List Subject: Re: [talk-au] Wiki censorship Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sugar coat it all you want, but what action did you take against anyone else involved? -- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 06:38:31 +1000 From: Elizabeth Dodd To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Wiki censorship Message-ID: <20110518063831.7a33642c@mum-quad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 17 May 2011 22:53:42 +1000 John Smith wrote: > Sugar coat it all you want, but what action did you take against > anyone else involved? Without wasting my time looking at the wiki this business is as well organised as a schoolyard Set of rules made by one group, complaints handled by same group, prosecution handled by same group, judgement made by same group, punishment handled by same group. Whether something is attended or not attended is at a whim. I still do not have an answer other than "I'm busy right now" concerning a mapper who admitted to copying from google and whose edits have not been reverted - a 12 month period since I first contacted the mapper concerning their edits in Australia. -- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 06:40:57 +1000 From: Ben Kelley To: John Smith , OSM
Re: [talk-au] Wiki censorship
On 18 May 2011 17:56, Tim Challis wrote: > Frankly I'd think twice about using the OSM messaging system, as I note > your (new!) sharedmap wiki page recommends... At this stage I'm playing about with options and most likely will not be making many changes initially to the information that will appear there... The wikia.com option has to many annoying flash based ads for my liking, and the sharedmap wiki config is still being tweaked to be useful... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wiki censorship
On 18/05/11 15:32, John Smith wrote: > On 18 May 2011 06:38, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: >> Set of rules made by one group, complaints handled by same group, >> prosecution handled by same group, judgement made by same group, >> punishment handled by same group. > > Grant has absolutely no respect for user wishes, he's defaced my own > wiki page, which I can no longer edit, after I left a note asking > people not to edit my wiki page. I am sorry this has come to pass. It appears that some baby has a burr in their nappy and has taken it out on you. I really don't know if I care what it was you did - real or imagined - to provoke this. However, it does make me a little sorry for the burr. Master Slater is the single greatest advertisement I know of for not further associating with the growing canker that OSM has become. Not satisfied with merely driving away map contributors, it appears his overweening ambition is to extend this to wiki users. What next, Poland? Frankly I'd think twice about using the OSM messaging system, as I note your (new!) sharedmap wiki page recommends... Regards, Tim. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
