Re: [talk-au] A modest proposal fo OSM mailing list reform
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 May 2011 13:52, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: Forums (IMO) are much superior to mailing lists for one simple reason If the forum software is a threaded one then it is really easy to avoid reading any drivel from the trolls. You just ignore the whole thread if the troll starts it or just ignore any parts of an otherwise useful thread if it becomes troll infested. While not a forum, you do realise you can do the same thing with a newsgroup interface? Any decent mail client will offer the same feature. Forums suck hardcore. They all have different feature sets, differently disabled UIs, they encourage terrible posting styles, and worst of all I have to go to them (and register separately at each one, log in each time I visit, manage yet another user profile, remember a whole new set of user identities for those I interact with, etc) if I want to read the content. With mailing lists on the other hand, the content conveniently comes direct to me, I get to choose what software has the interface I like, and it is impossible for censors to delete stuff before I get to see it. All that, and I still have a delete button for stuff I don't want to see. -- Sam Couter | mailto:s...@couter.id.au OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] A modest proposal fo OSM mailing list reform
On 21 May 2011 16:08, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 May 2011 13:52, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: Forums (IMO) are much superior to mailing lists for one simple reason If the forum software is a threaded one then it is really easy to avoid reading any drivel from the trolls. You just ignore the whole thread if the troll starts it or just ignore any parts of an otherwise useful thread if it becomes troll infested. While not a forum, you do realise you can do the same thing with a newsgroup interface? Any decent mail client will offer the same feature. Forums suck hardcore. They all have different feature sets, differently disabled UIs, they encourage terrible posting styles, and worst of all I have to go to them (and register separately at each one, log in each time I visit, manage yet another user profile, remember a whole new set of user identities for those I interact with, etc) if I want to read the content. With mailing lists on the other hand, the content conveniently comes direct to me, I get to choose what software has the interface I like, and it is impossible for censors to delete stuff before I get to see it. All that, and I still have a delete button for stuff I don't want to see. I was trying to avoid the discussion/flame war over mailing lists v forums v whatever. This is a very subjective thing, possibly due to when you started to use the internet and your personality/preferences etc etc etc If people want to use a forum like interface, gmane.org does that I believe. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] A modest proposal fo OSM mailing list reform
On 21 May 2011 16:11, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: If people want to use a forum like interface, gmane.org does that I believe. Actually gmane.org does a few different options, include a blog like interface... http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.region.au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] A modest proposal fo OSM mailing list reform
On 21 May 2011 16:11, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: If people want to use a forum like interface, gmane.org does that I believe. I've used MarkMail for lists, and like it: http://goo.gl/Sv27p which is this less friendly/longer URL: http://markmail.org/search/?q=talk-au#query:talk-au%20list%3Aorg.openstreetmap.talk-au+page:1+state:facets Chris ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 47, Issue 21
I have my membership on the list set up to receive the daily digest. I get one email a day with the postings since the last one. I can scan over it read more deeply the ones I want. When I'm finished I can delete the lot. I am in a couple of groups like this and I have them all set up this way. Works for me. Cheers, Paul From: talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Sent: Saturday, 21 May 2011 9:00 PM Subject: Talk-au Digest, Vol 47, Issue 21 Send Talk-au mailing list submissions to talk-au@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Talk-au digest... Today's Topics: 1. A modest proposal for OSM mailing list reform (Alex (Maxious) Sadleir) 2. whereNSW forum on spatial data policy 4th June (Alex (Maxious) Sadleir) 3. A modest proposal fo OSM mailing list reform (Nick Hocking) 4. Re: A modest proposal fo OSM mailing list reform (John Smith) 5. Re: A modest proposal fo OSM mailing list reform (Sam Couter) 6. Re: A modest proposal fo OSM mailing list reform (John Smith) 7. Re: A modest proposal fo OSM mailing list reform (John Smith) 8. Re: A modest proposal fo OSM mailing list reform (Chris Barham) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 09:30:20 +1000 From: Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com To: OSM Australian Talk List talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: [talk-au] A modest proposal for OSM mailing list reform Message-ID: banlktinv_u-oju_pfr9gwhgnko3w1na...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 http://opengeodata.org/osm-mailing-lists-time-for-a-change -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachments/20110521/a1032393/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 10:12:05 +1000 From: Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com To: OSM Australian Talk List talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: [talk-au] whereNSW forum on spatial data policy 4th June Message-ID: banlktinw7z97hceoqd01tswe0azcefo...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 http://wherensw.net.au/ Will also be streamed online. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachments/20110521/1deee150/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 13:52:47 +1000 From: Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: [talk-au] A modest proposal fo OSM mailing list reform Message-ID: banlktimttbl-jzgxmqko4cr1j+xizuz...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Forums (IMO) are much superior to mailing lists for one simple reason If the forum software is a threaded one then it is really easy to avoid reading any drivel from the trolls. You just ignore the whole thread if the troll starts it or just ignore any parts of an otherwise useful thread if it becomes troll infested. With mailing lists it is easy to just not open a post from a troll but if someone else directly quotes a troll then it is a bit tricky to stop reading instantly. The trick is that the forum must be threaded. Of course the desperate trolls will then start to put their poison in the subject line and to increase their use of sock puppets so as to try to trick us into reading their garbage. At this point there, unfortunately, needs to be some form of moderation/banning (or CENSORSHIP as the trolls will bleat). -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachments/20110521/5aa3adf9/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 14:32:22 +1000 From: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com To: Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] A modest proposal fo OSM mailing list reform Message-ID: BANLkTimYYOk=-AXk9eaKR=tsgrl5wep...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 21 May 2011 13:52, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: Forums (IMO) are much superior to mailing lists for one simple reason If the forum software is a threaded one then it is really easy to avoid reading any drivel from the trolls. You just ignore the whole thread if the troll starts it or just ignore any parts of an otherwise useful thread if it becomes troll infested. With mailing lists it is easy
