Re: [talk-au] What to tag a fire-fighting water tank?
On 30 October 2011 16:24, John Henderson wrote: > As far as capacity is concerned, I'd opt for the standard unit for measuring > large water volumes - megalitres (ML). Might be commonly used in Australia but the SI unit is actually cubic metres. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted
Dear Talk-au, The License Working Group have had further communication with data.au.gov to confirm their position on permitting data.au.gov data in OpenStreetMap. data.au.gov have reviewed the Australian section of the attribution page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution#Australian_government_public_information_datasets and responded as follows: > That is terrific – thank you > > Regards, data.au.gov Team We trust that you will find this to be sufficient confirmation that it is okay to include data from data.gov.au in OpenStreetMap with your CT/ODbL accounts. Best regards, Richard Weait, on behalf of License Working Group, OpenStreetMap Foundation. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted
On 31 October 2011 11:19, Richard Weait wrote: > We trust that you will find this to be sufficient confirmation that it > is okay to include data from data.gov.au in OpenStreetMap with your > CT/ODbL accounts. Since they don't own the datasets I fail to see how this would be sufficient for anyone concerned. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 8:36 PM, John Smith wrote: > On 31 October 2011 11:19, Richard Weait wrote: >> We trust that you will find this to be sufficient confirmation that it >> is okay to include data from data.gov.au in OpenStreetMap with your >> CT/ODbL accounts. > > Since they don't own the datasets I fail to see how this would be > sufficient for anyone concerned. I think that data.gov.au can be taken at their word and that they have a clear understanding of which rights they may or may not grant. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted
hmmm... 'terrific'... that must be some sort of formal technical legal IP term... jim On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Richard Weait wrote: > Dear Talk-au, > > The License Working Group have had further communication with > data.au.gov to confirm their position on permitting data.au.gov data > in OpenStreetMap. data.au.gov have reviewed the Australian section of > the attribution page > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution#Australian_government_public_information_datasets > > and responded as follows: > >> That is terrific – thank you >> >> Regards, data.au.gov Team > > We trust that you will find this to be sufficient confirmation that it > is okay to include data from data.gov.au in OpenStreetMap with your > CT/ODbL accounts. > > Best regards, > Richard Weait, on behalf of > License Working Group, OpenStreetMap Foundation. > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://about.me/jrc 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) Please send URLs, not attachments: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 20:19:56 -0400 Richard Weait wrote: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution#Australian_government_public_information_datasets > > and responded as follows: > > > That is terrific – thank you > > > > Regards, data.au.gov Team Looks blatantly fraudulent it's data.gov.au and again, they don't own the data, the data is owned by other entities in the name of the "Crown" ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted
On 31 October 2011 12:30, Richard Weait wrote: > I think that data.gov.au can be taken at their word and that they have > a clear understanding of which rights they may or may not grant. They're a clearing house, nothing more, and don't own any of the content. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Liz wrote: > On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 20:19:56 -0400 > Richard Weait wrote: > >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution#Australian_government_public_information_datasets >> >> and responded as follows: >> >> > That is terrific – thank you >> > >> > Regards, data.au.gov Team > > > Looks blatantly fraudulent No. > it's data.gov.au Of course it is. And they got it right in the original. I flipped au and gov in the transcription. Sorry. > and again, they don't own the data, the data is owned by other entities > in the name of the "Crown" And still, they'd know what they may and may not permit. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted
On 31 October 2011 13:10, Richard Weait wrote: > And still, they'd know what they may and may not permit. You haven't dealt with government plebs much have you? They are one of the most unpleasant races in the galaxy. Not actually evil, but bad-tempered, bureaucratic, officious, and callous. They wouldn't even lift a finger to save their own grandmothers from the ravenous Bug-Blatter Beast of Traal without orders signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, lost, found, queried, subjected to public inquiry, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighter. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:10:36 -0400 Richard Weait wrote: > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Liz wrote: > > On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 20:19:56 -0400 > > Richard Weait wrote: > > > >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution#Australian_government_public_information_datasets > >> > >> and responded as follows: > >> > >> > That is terrific – thank you > >> > > >> > Regards, data.au.gov Team > > > > > > Looks blatantly fraudulent > > No. > > > it's data.gov.au > > Of course it is. And they got it right in the original. I flipped au > and gov in the transcription. Sorry. > > > and again, they don't own the data, the data is owned by other > > entities in the name of the "Crown" > > And still, they'd know what they may and may not permit. > > ___ Well I suggest that you don't transcribe. I suggest you use "copy and paste" as normal lazy people do. You have omitted the entire context. Last time you made these claims, we asked for the original to made available, and we still haven't seen an original. When I get an email from a bureaucrat, it follows a specific formula "Dear writer In reply to email of date xxyyzz Text End Text Yours sincerely Joe Bureaucrat Head_Of_Writing_Emails Department of XXYY" As we are trying to tell you, AGIMO, who owns the "data.gov.au" domain, does not grant any copyright permissions whatsoever. They are a place which consolidates data and makes it available, but the actual government department or qango which owns the data has to be approached for an alteration in any licence conditions or confirmation of licence conditions. As you persist down this path, you will be responsible for putting in your ODbL-licensed database material which is incompatible, as it is CC-BY 2.5 licensed data. Liz ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Liz wrote: > As we are trying to tell you, AGIMO, who owns the "data.gov.au" domain, > does not grant any copyright permissions whatsoever. They are a place > which consolidates data and makes it available, but the actual > government department or qango which owns the data has to be approached > for an alteration in any licence conditions or confirmation of licence > conditions. Are you suggesting that data.gov.au aren't aware of their own license terms or that they are acting outside of their terms? What evidence to you provide to support your accusations? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
