Re: [talk-au] Introduction Brett Russell (Ent)

2012-07-18 Thread Paul HAYDON

Hi Brett (et al), Firstly, this is my first post on an OSM forum, so apologies 
if I get anything wrong (etiquette, format, etc.).  These forums are somewhat 
less sophisticated than others on which I've contributed. IMHO, you'll find 
most of the data on OSM to exhibit a car-bias - it's the nature of the beast, 
because that's where the interest of most contributors lie (myself included).  
But there is some data of use for cyclists and walkers, which continues to grow 
thanks to the efforts of contributors such as yourself.  I've used the OSM data 
for production of Magellan custom (detail) maps for use with my eXplorist XL, 
primarily when motorcycle touring, and so have become somewhat familiar with 
its content.  But I recently included cycleways and pedestrian paths, based on 
requests on another forum with which I'm involved. I cannot comment/help 
regarding Garmin issues, but am most certainly willing to discuss the same 
items at a more conceptual level - for example the display of map detail at 
various zoom levels.  I've been through that whole saga (although, again, based 
about road-use) with the Magellan maps.  I know you're adding detail yourself, 
but if you find what is available on OSM to be insufficient, Brett, you might 
try MapConnect at Geoscience Australia 
(http://www.ga.gov.au/topographic-mapping/mapconnect.html) - I'm told their 
tracks and trails enjoy better coverage than OSM, and can be downloaded in 
various file formats (I use *.shp for vector maps).
 As for contours, I abandoned them because they slowed down my GPSr 
dramatically, but you, of course, will have a greater need for them on foot.  
Newer devices than my XL (circa 2006) might cater for that type of data more 
adequately. If you're looking for an alternative to tethering your iPhone, some 
of the SIM providers offer good prepaid data plans, but consider the 
performance of the network (Telstra, Optus, etc.) before proceeding.  I use 
Amaysim (Optus network) - 10GB for $100 is valid for 12mths - with a wireless 
hotspot modem FWIW. Anyway, good luck with your mapping.  Get in touch if you 
think there might be something with which I might be able to assist.  
Cheers,Paul.  
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 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:15:09 +1030
 From: Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.au
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 Subject: [talk-au] Introduction Brett Russell (Ent)
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 Hi All
 
 First the hardware
 
 PC = ASUS NX90 (I7) running Windows Home Premium 64 bit version.
 GPS = Garmin 62s
 Phone = iPhone
 
 Software
 
 Ok, I have just installed the java development kit.  This must be a different 
 version to the Java I installed to get JOSM working.  Now when I type java in 
 any directory it is acknowledge.  So thanks guys progress has been made.
 
 I have downloaded mkgmap before and it appears to at least be there when I 
 run java mkgmap.  So me thinks I have the basics there.
 
 splitter-r200 is downloaded
 
 Purpose
 
 I am a bushwalking in Tasssie and have been using Garmins maps and have 
 become rather dissatisfied with them.  They have good detail on lakes but 
 nothing on walking tracks and the mountains are in the wrong place and even 
 have the wrong names.  Shonky is missing detail but was a great freebie.
 
 I am getting into more off track walking so I am hoping to use OSM to develop 
 maps.  A key feature missing from Garmin Maps (tracks aside) is land use such 
 as clearings/heath.  It is remarkably easy from the satellite maps to spot 
 potential camp sites so be great to mark them for looking at on the ground.
 
 I have been playing with the IMG file for Tasmania from OSM website, both 
 routable and standard and like what I see but they are optimised for vehicles 
 with foot tracks not showing unto at the 300 metre scale is zoomed to.  As do 
 mountains.  This means you are navigating at the micro level when these 
 features should be at the macro level.  Huts is another item that needs to 
 show up on macro level.
 
 At the moment I have Contour 5M on my Garmin and load it over OSM.  This is a 
 reasonable solution but looking for a more elegant one.  Especially one that 
 will enable me to use Garmin Basecamp at homebase with contours.  Hence 
 lookimg to combine contours with OSM.  I hear someone say, cyclemap.  They 
 are rather non existent for Tassie and also very slow to update.  Also on 
 website bombarded me with requests for donations I gave up downloading 
 anything.
 
 I have tried my iPhone running various app that use tiles and honestly the 
 vector mapping system kills tiles.  The vector data is up-to-date while tiles 
 can be weeks behind and massive download sizes at the finer scales.  Tiles 
 seem to me rather paper based logic while vector is jet age.  Now time to dig 
 I foxhole and hide from the flame throwers.
 
 Because the map data is so basic for Tassie I am 

Re: [talk-au] I feel like such a newbie

2012-07-18 Thread John Henderson

On 18/07/12 01:46, SomeoneElse wrote:

FWIW recent splitter and mkgmap versions should work OK with pbf
files, I think.


Thanks for the tip.  I'm happy to report that I've updated my splitter
and mkgmap, and have created my gmapsupp.img from
australia-oceania.osm.pbf without using osmosis at all.

I note however that mkgmap spat out this one warning:

SEVERE (LineSplitterFilter): 63240017.osm.gz: Way
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/143243495) has a max dimension
of 32767 and is about to be split (routing will be broken)

I haven't got to the bottom of what's going on there.

John

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Re: [talk-au] Introduction Brett Russell (Ent)

2012-07-18 Thread John Henderson

On 18/07/12 18:45, Brett Russell wrote:


I have been playing with the IMG file for Tasmania from OSM website,
 both routable and standard and like what I see but they are
optimised for vehicles with foot tracks not showing unto at the 300
metre scale is zoomed to.  As do mountains.  This means you are
navigating at the micro level when these features should be at the
macro level.  Huts is another item that needs to show up on macro
level.


Have you managed to get a gmapsupp.img Garmin file out of mkgmap yet?

If and when you do, try editing the points file entry for
natural=peak, and change the resolution value in that entry to (say)
16.  Then make a new gmapsupp.img and see how your mountains display at
different zoom levels then.

For walking tracks, try a similar change to the lines file for
highway=path.

If you want to do more significant changes (say making walking tracks
show as a bold purple line), then you need to use a style file (a TYP
file).  I've used this online editor for maintaining mine:

http://ati.land.cz/gps/typdecomp/editor.cgi

but there may be easier methods available these days.  This is how
cycling maps derived from OSM might make cycle paths show more
prominently than roads.

I'm guessing you've already discovered that you can download your own
custom area of OSM data by clicking on Export when viewing the
ordinary OSM map.

John

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