Re: [talk-au] Alphanumeric references in NSW

[Ben Johnson]

I agree this can be better coordinated, but not everyone uses or reads this 
list. 

I have a particular interest in these new routes… (don't ask).  

B74 is already majorly unveiled at the Tuggerah junction with M1 - so I turned 
B74 on in OSM.
http://www.ozroads.com.au/NSW/Special/MAB/563.jpg
http://www.ozroads.com.au/NSW/Special/MAB/558.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-vEehFafhUeo/UWnpzpBCuNI/ALg/rKvL4389seo/s1600/IMG_3205.JPG

We should expect large-scale coverplate removal any day now. RMS has been 
waiting until end of school holidays, and also I believe for the release of 
Sydway and UBD 2014 editions which apparently are now available with new route 
numbers… so I think we're about to see big changes fast. So brace yourselves.

I'm going that way again tomorrow and will investigate B70 to see if there's 
any action there yet. I've created a few route relations for alphas in Central 
Coast and Newcastle region, but haven't set the ref tags yet until there is 
on-ground signage in place.  This will make it easier (when the signs are 
unveiled) to select an entire route in JOSM and add the ref tag.  If you agree 
with this method then I'm happy to volunteer to continue creating relations for 
the new routes.  I have 5 weeks holidays starting soon with plenty of spare 
time and I want to get back into contributing to the project.

What should become of the old routes?  Should old_ref be retained, should old 
route relations remain?

Regard hierachies - have we agreed that all A routes are Trunk, and all B 
routes are Primary?  Should former the State routes (e.g. SR83 Old Pacific 
Hwy from Gosford to Doyalson) currently assigned as a Primary road now be 
lowered to Secondary as it loses its route number.

Happy to help out - but I don't want to step on toes.

BJ



On 03/05/2013, at 3:07 PM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I've noticed a few people are changing the references in NSW to the 
 alphanumeric references before the signage has changed.
 
 I don't see the purpose of this.  I doesn't correspond to what is on the 
 ground, it must be confusing to people actually trying to use OSM for 
 navigation.  Also, given it is the RTA coordinate this, it wouldn't be 
 surprising if some of the routes actually differed from the proposed routes 
 on the webpage.
 
 To the best of my knowledge the only route that has been re-referenced is the 
 B73, the others still retain their existing signage - with perhaps an 
 uncovered sign here and there.  I traced the 
 
 I'd suggest we can use the wiki to coordinate as these references change?   
 That way we can ensure the entire route is renamed at once, rather than a 
 patchwork?
 
 Ian.
 P.S. Of course there have been a few routes (M7, A31/M31 approaching Albury) 
 that have been this way for a while, and aren't at issue here. 
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Re: [talk-au] Alphanumeric references in NSW

[Ben Johnson]

On 03/05/2013, at 9:00 PM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote:

 I imagine the RMS in their wisdom are going to call the Hume south of Berrima 
 the A31, rather than M31, so we'll have to make a call on whether we keep 
 that as motorway.  I'd personally be in favour of doing so.
  
 Ian.

Same also with A1 heading up the coast that are definitely motorway standard.  
The RMS has stated that these motorway sections won't take on an M designation 
until they are continuous between major population centres in order to avoid 
too much switching between A and M, so I think we are right to map these as 
Motorway in OSM - being a high standard (mostly) grade-separated road - 
because on the ground that's exactly what it is… but we have to live with 
their temporary A route designations.

With respect to route relations for the M31/A31 and M1/A1, I am guessing we 
will need to create a relation for the A section, and a separate relation for 
the M section… and then perhaps a parent to encompass the entire route.  Some 
aspects of how we treat this confuse me ….  

For example - 
name = Pacific Motorway
network = M
ref = M1
-- should this relationship include Harbour Tunnel to Gore Hill AND Wahroonga 
to Beresfield AND Brunswick Heads to Brisbane… but then what about south of the 
Harbour? Then make another M1 relation called Princes Motorway - adding to it 
the ED, Southern Cross Drv, Southern Freeway?

Same confusion applies with these A sections...

Or do we create a relation for each discrete section (being a contiguous A or 
M section)… which I personally think is the most manageable, but it leads to a 
patchwork of many A1 and M1 relations.

And either way, then we'll need a parent relation to group them all into 
something perhaps
name = National Highway 1  ??
network = NH ?
ref = 1 ?

BJ

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