Re: [talk-au] Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia)

2016-07-09 Thread Reuben


On 10/07/16 14:06, cleary wrote:

Feedback from the legal-talk list is that the reply from the Department
of Prime Minister and Cabinet is not sufficient and therefore we cannot
use PSMA datasets in OSM.

As far as I can ascertain, the lines on the Contributors page of the
wiki, referring to PSMA boundaries, were added by a user named Reubot a
little over three months ago. However a search for this user returned a
result that there was no user of this name -  I'm not sure how that
works and someone else may understand how this could be so. This user
also added Brisbane City Council as a source in the Contributors page so
someone may wish to check if that data is actually permitted in OSM
either.  I'm not sure how much data was actually added to OSM from PSMA
by this user or anyone else.


Sorry about that, I was under the impression that it was covered by the 
data.gov.au permission. I only added Brisbane and Redlands and am now in 
the process of undoing. I have sent an email to QLD Department of 
Natural Resources and Mines to asking for explicit permission to use 
their (boundary) datasets instead.


The Brisbane City Council data should be good as I got explicit permission:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/data.brisbane.qld.gov.au_explicit_permission 



Reuben

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Re: [talk-au] Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia)

2016-07-09 Thread Andrew Harvey
On 10 July 2016 at 14:06, cleary  wrote:
> Feedback from the legal-talk list is that the reply from the Department
> of Prime Minister and Cabinet is not sufficient and therefore we cannot
> use PSMA datasets in OSM.
>
> As far as I can ascertain, the lines on the Contributors page of the
> wiki, referring to PSMA boundaries, were added by a user named Reubot a
> little over three months ago. However a search for this user returned a
> result that there was no user of this name -  I'm not sure how that
> works and someone else may understand how this could be so. This user
> also added Brisbane City Council as a source in the Contributors page so
> someone may wish to check if that data is actually permitted in OSM
> either.  I'm not sure how much data was actually added to OSM from PSMA
> by this user or anyone else.
>
> I would like to delete the lines on the Contributors page of the wiki,
> referring to PSMA boundaries, unless there are objections. As an
> amatuer/novice, I was almost misled into thinking that inclusion of a
> source in the Contributors page gave me a green light to use that source
> and I fear it may mislead others if the information is left there.
>
> For the same reason I would also like to remove the reference to the NSW
> Geographic Names Board - we discussed that source within recent months
> and it seems we do not have the necessary permission for that either.
> This is not a significant problem as the same GNB data and much more is
> in the LPI NSW data for which we do have explicit permission.
>
> Any comments on my proposal to delete lines from the Contributors page
> of the wiki?

Sounds good to me.

Anyone making maps/apps can supplement OSM with the PSMA Admin Bdys,
if they want to.

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Re: [talk-au] Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia)

2016-07-09 Thread cleary
Feedback from the legal-talk list is that the reply from the Department
of Prime Minister and Cabinet is not sufficient and therefore we cannot
use PSMA datasets in OSM.

As far as I can ascertain, the lines on the Contributors page of the
wiki, referring to PSMA boundaries, were added by a user named Reubot a
little over three months ago. However a search for this user returned a
result that there was no user of this name -  I'm not sure how that
works and someone else may understand how this could be so. This user
also added Brisbane City Council as a source in the Contributors page so
someone may wish to check if that data is actually permitted in OSM
either.  I'm not sure how much data was actually added to OSM from PSMA
by this user or anyone else.

I would like to delete the lines on the Contributors page of the wiki,
referring to PSMA boundaries, unless there are objections. As an
amatuer/novice, I was almost misled into thinking that inclusion of a
source in the Contributors page gave me a green light to use that source
and I fear it may mislead others if the information is left there.

For the same reason I would also like to remove the reference to the NSW
Geographic Names Board - we discussed that source within recent months
and it seems we do not have the necessary permission for that either.
This is not a significant problem as the same GNB data and much more is
in the LPI NSW data for which we do have explicit permission.

Any comments on my proposal to delete lines from the Contributors page
of the wiki?




On Fri, Jul 8, 2016, at 11:15 AM, cleary wrote:
> 
> The issue of using the Australian PSMA Administrative Boundaries in OSM
> was discussed in both talk-au and legal-talk lists.  Subsequently I
> submitted a request to the Spatial Unit, Department of Prime Minister
> and Cabinet, seeking permission and stating the issues as clearly as I
> could.  Today I received the following response with my initial request
> shown below.
> 
> It explicitly states we are not responsible for the actions of
> downstream users  but I think we need the legal-talk group to clarify if
> the response helps us.  For this reason, this response is being
> submitted to both lists.
> 
> 
> 
> - Original message -
> From: Spatial 
> To: "o...@97k.com" 
> Cc: Spatial 
> Subject: RE: Permission for OpenStreetMap to use PSMA Administrative
> Boundaries [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 00:19:27 +
> 
> UNCLASSIFIED
> Dear Michael
> 
> Thank you for your email seeking clarification about the licensing
> conditions regarding the PSMA Administrative Boundaries dataset.
> 
> Given the large volume of public datasets available via data.gov.au
> (over 8,200 datasets), we are unable to provide statements with explicit
> permission for use to individual users.
> 
> However, we can provide some clarification regarding your concerns. 
> 
> There are no substantial differences between the CC BY 3.0 and the CC BY
> 4.0 licences. A summary of the differences can be found here:
> https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/licensing-considerations/version4/.
>  
> CC BY 4.0 (like CC BY 3.0) does not prevent OpenStreetMap from applying
> your own licence to your products but requires end users to comply with
> the CC BY licence (in relation to the original data).
> 
> The preferred attribution for adapted material using the PSMA
> Administrative Boundaries dataset is:
> 
> Incorporates or developed using Administrative Boundaries (c)PSMA
> Australia Limited licensed by the Commonwealth of Australia under
> Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International licence (CC BY 4.0).
> 
> We can also confirm that OpenStreetMap is not responsible for the
> actions of your downstream users. Given the nature of the CC BY licence,
> your downstream users directly licence the Administrative Boundaries
> data from the Commonwealth. Provided that OpenStreetMap comply with the
> licence, then any breach by third parties leads to automatic termination
> of that third party's rights to use the material and does not impact
> OpenStreetMap's licence.
> 
> I trust this information has been of assistance.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Spatial Policy team
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: cleary [mailto:o...@97k.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2016 6:08 PM
> To: Spatial
> Subject: Permission for OpenStreetMap to use PSMA Administrative
> Boundaries
> 
> 
> 
> I am a volunteer contributor to OpenStreetMap (OSM)
> (www.openstreetmap.org) which provides a map, based on open data, for
> use by anyone who wishes to access it. I understand that OpenStreetMap
> is the largest open data map project in the world. Various bodies,
> including some Government organisations, are increasingly using OSM and
> I was pleased to note that some pages on the data.gov.au website are
> using OSM.
> 
> Approximately five years ago, OSM was given explicit permission to
> incorporate data from Australian Government public information datasets
> which had been