Re: [talk-au] Question Regarding multiple alt_names

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Here you go Andrew

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/-27.9389/153.3974

The main road shown here is the Gold Coast Hwy & has major signs saying so
(& once upon a time was Highway 1!). The East-West section is Brisbane Rd
(with street level signs saying so & addresses as xx Brisbane Rd).

Where it turns the corner, it then becomes Frank St (yy Frank St)

A k or 2 further South, it then becomes Marine Pde!

Thanks

Graeme


On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 09:30, Andrew Harvey 
wrote:

> Do you have an Australian example?
>
> Highway name where the road segment has a different name I would create
> the relation and put it there. local_name is good for a local or informal
> or colloquial name.
>
> On Wed., 21 Nov. 2018, 4:22 am Nemanja Bračko 
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Can anyone help us, what we should do in the situation when we have
>> more then one alt_name?
>> Imagine the situation:
>> RD_NAME1: New York Street
>> RD_NAME2: Big Apple Street
>> RD_NAME3: US Highway
>>
>> This is not a problem, let's say NY Street is name, US Highway is
>> alt_name (which is part of wider area, but without relation), and Big
>> Apple Street can be Local name. What if you have one extra or two
>> extra names? How do you want to map it?
>>
>> Please advice,
>> Nemanja
>>
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Re: [talk-au] Question Regarding multiple alt_names

[Alex Sims]

I have an example that has bothering me for some time.

This building https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/228033047 is on a dual named 
street. The ten or so houses on the Southern side of so called “Elderslie 
Avenue” East of Braund Road  are actually Martin Close. Every other house on 
“Elderslie Avenue” is legally and survey wise on “Elderslie Avenue”.

I’ve surveyed it and there are extra street signs and some houses have a street 
name as well as a number on the outside. I looked at historical land titles 
records and it gives no answer as to how this came about. There were some 
street re-namings in the area to split streets at Prospect Road but nothing 
that shed’s any light on the history, but that’s another question.

I obviously need to split the way into the normal section and the dual named 
section, but how do I express this with one name on the South and one on the 
North?

Alex

From: Andrew Harvey 
Date: Wednesday, 21 November 2018 at 9:59 am
To: Nemanja Bračko 
Cc: OSM Australian Talk List 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Question Regarding multiple alt_names

Do you have an Australian example?

Highway name where the road segment has a different name I would create the 
relation and put it there. local_name is good for a local or informal or 
colloquial name.
On Wed., 21 Nov. 2018, 4:22 am Nemanja Bračko 
mailto:brack...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

Can anyone help us, what we should do in the situation when we have
more then one alt_name?
Imagine the situation:
RD_NAME1: New York Street
RD_NAME2: Big Apple Street
RD_NAME3: US Highway

This is not a problem, let's say NY Street is name, US Highway is
alt_name (which is part of wider area, but without relation), and Big
Apple Street can be Local name. What if you have one extra or two
extra names? How do you want to map it?

Please advice,
Nemanja

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Re: [talk-au] Question Regarding multiple alt_names

[Andrew Harvey]

Do you have an Australian example?

Highway name where the road segment has a different name I would create the
relation and put it there. local_name is good for a local or informal or
colloquial name.

On Wed., 21 Nov. 2018, 4:22 am Nemanja Bračko  Hi all,
>
> Can anyone help us, what we should do in the situation when we have
> more then one alt_name?
> Imagine the situation:
> RD_NAME1: New York Street
> RD_NAME2: Big Apple Street
> RD_NAME3: US Highway
>
> This is not a problem, let's say NY Street is name, US Highway is
> alt_name (which is part of wider area, but without relation), and Big
> Apple Street can be Local name. What if you have one extra or two
> extra names? How do you want to map it?
>
> Please advice,
> Nemanja
>
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Re: [talk-au] Hello!

[Martijn van Exel]

By the way - I started collecting the Top Mapper lists for various cities in 
Australia using my Meet Your Mapper tool[0]. If you find it interesting you can 
review them here: 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1axVjSpcCuD14AubLzA6E00fMxRLfXBHWPQvdijwsyUM/edit?usp=sharing
 

 . It looks like you are the #1 mapper for the Brisbane area :) (when sorted by 
number of nodes last touched).

These lists are based on data publicly available from Overpass, and I haven’t 
shared the link more widely, but if you object to having this data readily 
available to the community I will unshare it right away.

Martijn

[0] The tool is at https://mym.rtijn.org/ and the code is at 
https://github.com/mvexel/meetyourmappers, a diary entry is at 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mvexel/diary/44833 

> On Nov 20, 2018, at 12:32 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Joel, 
> 
> Nice to make your virtual acquaintance. 
> 
> I noticed there was a bit of discussion as to how to snap _link / ramp roads 
> to the main highway. 
> The Telenav team uses the convention as described on the wiki, snapping to 
> the main road where the physical separation ends or begins. So the way you 
> described it yourself is the ‘right’ way, as endorsed by the wiki. (See 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction 
>  ) 
> 
> In general, our team follows the conventions as described on the wiki, and if 
> there’s no clear decision, we work with the community to reach one, and edir 
> the wiki afterwards. 
> 
> I agree fully with your use of destination tags, but according to the wiki 
> they belong on the _link way and not on the junction node, 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination#Where_to_use.3F 
>  
> 
> Motorway junction nodes should be tagged even if there is no junction number 
> (not sure if those are common / signposted in Australia?) See again 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction 
>  The 
> destination should not go on junction nodes but on the _link road.
> 
> I have not used the placement=transition tag myself and am not sure how it is 
> used in applications, but interesting!
> 
> I hope OpenStreetCam (and also Mapillary) will continue to be useful. For 
> signposts and speed limits these are pretty much indispensable tools lacking 
> official GIS data that has this info. Telenav created and maintains 
> OpenStreetCam as you may know. I am happy to answer any questions about it 
> that you may have. We are planning to hold a few mapping competitions in the 
> near future for a few cities in Australia, I’ll make an announcement 
> separately when we’re ready to do that. (Early next year I think)
> 
> Another tool I’ve found really useful for checking complete / correct tagging 
> of motorways is CheckAutopista: 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CheckAutopista 
>  . For M5: 
> http://k1wiosm.github.io/checkautopista2/?id=7985811=-27.5645=152.8959=12
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Martijn
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2018, at 12:06 AM, Joel H. > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for introducing yourself.
>> 
>> A little while ago I fixed up the whole M5 motorway (and I believe some of 
>> the M3 as well) in Brisbane and wrote a diary post about it. Mostly with 
>> what I did.
>> 
>> I was wondering whether what I did was correct, or if my method has given 
>> you any ideas?
>> 
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Joel%20Hansen/diary/43896 
>> 
>> 
>> On 8/11/18 4:10 am, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>>> I’m new on this list. My name is Martijn van Exel. I am Dutch but live in 
>>> the U.S.A. where I work for Telenav. I already introduced myself on Slack 
>>> where I talked a bit about Telenav looking at possibly helping improve the 
>>> map in Australia. I am just not sure if there’s folks here who are not on 
>>> Slack so I wanted to say hi. We’re not making any improvements yet and we 
>>> will keep you updated as our plans materialize. 
>>> 
>>> We have a page on the OSM wiki that has more about how / what we typically 
>>> work on in OSM: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Telenav 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Please do get in touch with any questions!
>>> 
>>> Happy mapping,
>>> Martijn
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [talk-au] Hello!

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi Joel, 

Nice to make your virtual acquaintance. 

I noticed there was a bit of discussion as to how to snap _link / ramp roads to 
the main highway. 
The Telenav team uses the convention as described on the wiki, snapping to the 
main road where the physical separation ends or begins. So the way you 
described it yourself is the ‘right’ way, as endorsed by the wiki. (See 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction 
 ) 

In general, our team follows the conventions as described on the wiki, and if 
there’s no clear decision, we work with the community to reach one, and edir 
the wiki afterwards. 

I agree fully with your use of destination tags, but according to the wiki they 
belong on the _link way and not on the junction node, 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination#Where_to_use.3F 
 

Motorway junction nodes should be tagged even if there is no junction number 
(not sure if those are common / signposted in Australia?) See again 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction 
 The 
destination should not go on junction nodes but on the _link road.

I have not used the placement=transition tag myself and am not sure how it is 
used in applications, but interesting!

I hope OpenStreetCam (and also Mapillary) will continue to be useful. For 
signposts and speed limits these are pretty much indispensable tools lacking 
official GIS data that has this info. Telenav created and maintains 
OpenStreetCam as you may know. I am happy to answer any questions about it that 
you may have. We are planning to hold a few mapping competitions in the near 
future for a few cities in Australia, I’ll make an announcement separately when 
we’re ready to do that. (Early next year I think)

Another tool I’ve found really useful for checking complete / correct tagging 
of motorways is CheckAutopista: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CheckAutopista 
 . For M5: 
http://k1wiosm.github.io/checkautopista2/?id=7985811=-27.5645=152.8959=12
 

 

Martijn

> On Nov 8, 2018, at 12:06 AM, Joel H.  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for introducing yourself.
> 
> A little while ago I fixed up the whole M5 motorway (and I believe some of 
> the M3 as well) in Brisbane and wrote a diary post about it. Mostly with what 
> I did.
> 
> I was wondering whether what I did was correct, or if my method has given you 
> any ideas?
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Joel%20Hansen/diary/43896 
> 
> 
> On 8/11/18 4:10 am, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>> I’m new on this list. My name is Martijn van Exel. I am Dutch but live in 
>> the U.S.A. where I work for Telenav. I already introduced myself on Slack 
>> where I talked a bit about Telenav looking at possibly helping improve the 
>> map in Australia. I am just not sure if there’s folks here who are not on 
>> Slack so I wanted to say hi. We’re not making any improvements yet and we 
>> will keep you updated as our plans materialize. 
>> 
>> We have a page on the OSM wiki that has more about how / what we typically 
>> work on in OSM: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Telenav 
>>  
>> 
>> Please do get in touch with any questions!
>> 
>> Happy mapping,
>> Martijn
>> 
>> 
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Re: [talk-au] Question Regarding multiple alt_names

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi Nemanja,
You can use semicolons if there are multiple alternate names, like alt_name=Big 
Apple Street;Highway 666.
Folks used to use name_1, name_2 but this seems to be generally discouraged now.
There is also loc_name but the use of that has always been a bit unclear to me, 
since local (posted) information should always be considered before anything 
else.
For numbered highways you can also use the ref / network tag, especially if 
‘Highway 666’ is not the posted name.
Wiki pages that are relevant:
* https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Multiple_names 

* https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name 
 
* https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multiple_values 
 
I don’t know if there’s any local conventions that would trump this general 
rule — I am not familiar with that, since I am not in / from Australia. Just 
trying to help :)
Martijn

> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:20 AM, Nemanja Bračko  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Can anyone help us, what we should do in the situation when we have
> more then one alt_name?
> Imagine the situation:
> RD_NAME1: New York Street
> RD_NAME2: Big Apple Street
> RD_NAME3: US Highway
> 
> This is not a problem, let's say NY Street is name, US Highway is
> alt_name (which is part of wider area, but without relation), and Big
> Apple Street can be Local name. What if you have one extra or two
> extra names? How do you want to map it?
> 
> Please advice,
> Nemanja
> 
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[talk-au] Question Regarding multiple alt_names

[Nemanja Bračko]

Hi all,

Can anyone help us, what we should do in the situation when we have
more then one alt_name?
Imagine the situation:
RD_NAME1: New York Street
RD_NAME2: Big Apple Street
RD_NAME3: US Highway

This is not a problem, let's say NY Street is name, US Highway is
alt_name (which is part of wider area, but without relation), and Big
Apple Street can be Local name. What if you have one extra or two
extra names? How do you want to map it?

Please advice,
Nemanja

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