[talk-au] Ways to map boundaries that won't go into OSM

[Ben Kelley]

Hi.

A project I have been thinking about for a while is creating a map of
Anglican (church) parish boundaries in Australia.

In some sense these are like admin boundaries, but the source of the
boundary is not easily verifiable. While the resulting map would be based
on OSM, the data itself probably does not belong in OSM.

Any thoughts on a tool set for how to do this?

I'm after ideas for a way for people to edit this data, ways to store it,
ways to display it online, and ways to make a printed map (if necessary).

The source data in some areas can be written, like "The boundary runs north
from the end of Railway Parade until it crosses the creek." The person
editing this map would use OSM to draw the boundary (making it a derivative
work), possibly for display as a layer on top of OSM data.

If I needed to stand up a server to store edits, that's a possibility. Is
it possible to integrate existing editing UI tools with a different back
end, or would this require people to use JOSM?

In the past some people have done similar using Google's tool set, but then
the resulting maps are derivatives of Google's base map, which creates
problems if you want to reproduce that map outside of Google Maps.

 - Ben.
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Re: [talk-au] Suspicious or disallowed sources

[Adam Horan]

I have dropped a changeset comment already, and will wait a bit longer. I
don't see that the user is making other changes currently.

There's too much detail in the shape for it to be sourced from a vague
ground survey, and for the sports tracks in this changeset there is nothing
in the available iD imagery.

To be honest it was the direct reference to 'nearmap' as a source in
something drawn ~1 month ago that got me started on this.

Adam

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 at 13:51, Andrew Harvey 
wrote:

> I agree it's best to ask via a changeset comment first. It could be they
> observed where it was on the ground, then lined that up with what they
> could reference in the Bing imagery.
>
> On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 at 13:39, Phil Wyatt  wrote:
>
>> Hi Adam,
>>
>>
>>
>> First thing I would do is drop a comment on the changesets asking where
>> he got the outlines from – there may be some other ‘open’ source that he
>> has used.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers - Phil
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Adam Horan [mailto:aho...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, 17 June 2019 1:26 PM
>> *To:* OpenStreetMap-AU Mailing List
>> *Subject:* [talk-au] Suspicious or disallowed sources
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I've been around a while, but don't join in the chat much :)
>>
>>
>>
>> A new user has added contributed some data via iD editor, and the source
>> is listed as Bing Imagery. However the imagery doesn't show the features
>> that have been added as they're too new. (I've checked through all other
>> imagery sources in iD)
>>
>> One of their contributions from within the last month lists nearmap as
>> the source. It is quite possible this is true, as again none of the listed
>> imagery sources in iD or JOSM include the features added.
>>
>> I've attempted to contact the user (it's only been 24 hrs since i tried),
>> and had nothing yet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is this a revert or wait scenario?
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/69893632  <- the car park and
>> the soccer pitches are not in Bing or elsewhere. Google does have it.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/69917230 <- running track not in
>> bing or elsewhere.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> Adam
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Re: [talk-au] Suspicious or disallowed sources

[Andrew Harvey]

I agree it's best to ask via a changeset comment first. It could be they
observed where it was on the ground, then lined that up with what they
could reference in the Bing imagery.

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 at 13:39, Phil Wyatt  wrote:

> Hi Adam,
>
>
>
> First thing I would do is drop a comment on the changesets asking where he
> got the outlines from – there may be some other ‘open’ source that he has
> used.
>
>
>
> Cheers - Phil
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Horan [mailto:aho...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, 17 June 2019 1:26 PM
> *To:* OpenStreetMap-AU Mailing List
> *Subject:* [talk-au] Suspicious or disallowed sources
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I've been around a while, but don't join in the chat much :)
>
>
>
> A new user has added contributed some data via iD editor, and the source
> is listed as Bing Imagery. However the imagery doesn't show the features
> that have been added as they're too new. (I've checked through all other
> imagery sources in iD)
>
> One of their contributions from within the last month lists nearmap as the
> source. It is quite possible this is true, as again none of the listed
> imagery sources in iD or JOSM include the features added.
>
> I've attempted to contact the user (it's only been 24 hrs since i tried),
> and had nothing yet.
>
>
>
> Is this a revert or wait scenario?
>
>
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/69893632  <- the car park and the
> soccer pitches are not in Bing or elsewhere. Google does have it.
>
>
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/69917230 <- running track not in
> bing or elsewhere.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Adam
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Re: [talk-au] Suspicious or disallowed sources

[Phil Wyatt]

Hi Adam,

 

First thing I would do is drop a comment on the changesets asking where he got 
the outlines from – there may be some other ‘open’ source that he has used.

 

Cheers - Phil

 

From: Adam Horan [mailto:aho...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, 17 June 2019 1:26 PM
To: OpenStreetMap-AU Mailing List
Subject: [talk-au] Suspicious or disallowed sources

 

Hi,

 

I've been around a while, but don't join in the chat much :)

 

A new user has added contributed some data via iD editor, and the source is 
listed as Bing Imagery. However the imagery doesn't show the features that have 
been added as they're too new. (I've checked through all other imagery sources 
in iD)

One of their contributions from within the last month lists nearmap as the 
source. It is quite possible this is true, as again none of the listed imagery 
sources in iD or JOSM include the features added.

I've attempted to contact the user (it's only been 24 hrs since i tried), and 
had nothing yet.

 

Is this a revert or wait scenario?

 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/69893632  <- the car park and the 
soccer pitches are not in Bing or elsewhere. Google does have it.

 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/69917230 <- running track not in bing 
or elsewhere.

 

Cheers,


Adam

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[talk-au] Suspicious or disallowed sources

[Adam Horan]

Hi,

I've been around a while, but don't join in the chat much :)

A new user has added contributed some data via iD editor, and the source is
listed as Bing Imagery. However the imagery doesn't show the features that
have been added as they're too new. (I've checked through all other imagery
sources in iD)
One of their contributions from within the last month lists nearmap as the
source. It is quite possible this is true, as again none of the listed
imagery sources in iD or JOSM include the features added.
I've attempted to contact the user (it's only been 24 hrs since i tried),
and had nothing yet.

Is this a revert or wait scenario?

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/69893632  <- the car park and the
soccer pitches are not in Bing or elsewhere. Google does have it.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/69917230 <- running track not in
bing or elsewhere.

Cheers,

Adam
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Re: [talk-au] Fwd: Currently, OSM is rendering water throughout the suburbs of Perth

[Warin]

OSMInspector reports some problem with the Tasman Sea relation - far too big on 
my computer to reasonably check...:-\


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Re: [talk-au] Fwd: Currently, OSM is rendering water throughout the suburbs of Perth

[Mateusz Konieczny]

It happens regularly in many places across the world. It is a data issue,
especially as rendering bug would become visible after map style update.


16 Jun 2019, 12:02 by ewen.h...@gmail.com:

> Hi, 
>   Has anyone else noticed that the great flood of 2019 is on us. I can't find 
> the issue so is it a mapping issue or a rendering issue please as I cannot 
> find the source? See > 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/-32.2436/115.9987 
> >  
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[talk-au] Fwd: Currently, OSM is rendering water throughout the suburbs of Perth

[Ewen Hill]

Hi,
  Has anyone else noticed that the great flood of 2019 is on us. I can't
find the issue so is it a mapping issue or a rendering issue please as I
cannot find the source? See
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/-32.2436/115.9987
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