Re: [talk-au] Are Health Centres, hospitals

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 10:12, cleary  wrote:

>
> Reading what is stated by Queensland Health on its website, as you have
> quoted it, I think that taking the information and incorporating into OSM
> is one of the areas that requires the permission of Queensland Health.


On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 13:11, Andrew Harvey  wrote:

>
> Yeah I don't see how we can use that, for starters "No Derivatives" means
> we can't adapt it into a new work, which is exactly what incorporating it
> in OSM is doing.
>

Thanks, fellas.

Had hoped that it may have been OK :-(

Ahh well, will write them a letter & see what they say?

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] Are Health Centres, hospitals

[Andrew Harvey]

On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 at 10:19, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

> All of the search results that I've looked at so far have referred back to
> this Qld Health page:https://www.health.qld.gov.au/services, so I'm
> wondering whether we're allowed to use it, to access details of all Qld
> hospitals?
>
> Health copyright (https://www.health.qld.gov.au/global/copyright-statement)
> is shown as being under a Creative Commons Attribution No Derivatives 3.0
> Australia 
> licence, & states
> "In essence, you are free to copy and communicate the work in its current
> form, as long as you attribute Queensland Health as the source of the
> copyright material and abide by the licence terms".
>

Yeah I don't see how we can use that, for starters "No Derivatives" means
we can't adapt it into a new work, which is exactly what incorporating it
in OSM is doing.
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Re: [talk-au] Are Health Centres, hospitals

[cleary]

Graeme, In regard to your question about copyright.  

Reading what is stated by Queensland Health on its website, as you have quoted 
it, I think that taking the information and incorporating into OSM is one of 
the areas that requires the permission of Queensland Health. 



On Mon, 7 Sep 2020, at 12:17 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
> Continuing on with this, I've started looking at hospitals shown on the 
> Overpass search & updating their details based purely on a search for 
> "Whichever Hospital" (& have so far already found another normal 
> medical centre tagged as a hospital!). 
> 
> All of the search results that I've looked at so far have referred back 
> to this Qld Health page:https://www.health.qld.gov.au/services, so I'm  
> wondering whether we're allowed to use it, to access details of all Qld 
> hospitals?
> 
> Health copyright 
> (https://www.health.qld.gov.au/global/copyright-statement) is shown as 
> being under a Creative Commons Attribution No Derivatives 3.0 Australia 
>  licence, & 
> states
> "In essence, you are free to copy and communicate the work in its 
> current form, as long as you attribute Queensland Health as the source 
> of the copyright material and abide by the licence terms".
> 
> The link for further permission to use their copyright material says:
> "Queensland Health permission is required to: 
> 
>  * adapt material from the Queensland Health website or other source 
> where it is not expressly permitted by a copyright notice or Creative 
> Commons licence.
> 
>  * use material from the Queensland Health website or other source in a 
> manner that is expressly prohibited by the copyright notice or Creative 
> Commons licence.
> 
> Queensland Health permission is *not required to: *
> 
> * * * * provide a hyperlink to any Queensland Health internet page from 
> another website*
> 
>  * do any act that is expressly permitted by a copyright notice or 
> creative commons licence on the material. 
> 
>  * print, download or *communicate whole or parts of documents sourced 
> from any Queensland Health internet page*, provided that it is not 
> expressly prohibited by a copyright notice or Creative Commons licence, 
> the source is attributed (see below) and the material remains 
> unaltered."
> 
> So, would we need to go through the full permission & waiver process to 
> use data off that Health page?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Graeme
> 
> 
> On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 at 09:28, Graeme Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 at 20:25, Ewen Hill  wrote:
> >> We also have the grey area of Bush Nursing Centres that are clearly not 
> >> hospitals but are the best place to head to in an emergency and may be the 
> >> difference when you are looking at two equal sized communities. The ten 
> >> staff sounds arbitrary. 
> >> 
> >> Shouldn't the difference be based on the capability of the premises to 
> >> resuscitate, handle compound fractures and prolong life until the patient 
> >> can be moved to a more appropriate facility rather than a "must have ten 
> >> medical staff"?
> > 
> > Good points, Ewen. 
> > 
> > Thanks, everyone - you've convinced me that I was looking at it the wrong 
> > way & that these type of facilities should stay as hospitals.
> > 
> >>   Further more, should it be defined as "an official hospital or the first 
> >> place of medical support in a rural setting"?
> > 
> > You're probably correct but I think we'd have issues changing the main 
> > definition of hospital, as it wouldn't suit the Western European / US point 
> > of view :-( 
> > 
> > As Cleary mentioned earlier: "Perhaps the Australian Guidelines should 
> > permit the "hospital" tag where that is consistent with usage of the term 
> > by the local community, would be a lot easier to do, so I'll make that 
> > amendment if there's no major objection? 
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Graeme
> > 
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