Re: [talk-au] Abbreviations in bus stop names (Was Re: Mapping Transport for NSW transit stop numbers)

[Andrew Harvey]

I'd lean towards the full word in line with already standards for street
name abbreviations. Usually it's easier for data consumers to abbreviate
these later than going the other way. At the same time though if we're
talking about importing these, then I'd be okay with the initial import
being abbreviated, with the expectation that eventually they'll become
expanded.

On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 at 16:20, Andrew Davidson  wrote:

> On 10/11/2020 9:08 am, Andrew Harvey wrote:
> > There was some work going on at
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfNSW_Data_Imports which I don't
> > think made it to the list. So this is the perfect opportunity to raise
> > it on the list and if there are any concerns or discussions for that
> > import, let's work that out here.
>
> What are people's views on abbreviations in bus stop names?
>
> When I was working on bus stops in Canberra I converted names such as:
>
> River St Opp Morpeth St
> Yamba Dr 2nd After Wisdom St
>
> to
>
> River Street Opposite Morpeth Street
> Yamba Drive Second After Wisdom Street
>
> Is it worthwhile doing this for the TfNSW data or are people happy if
> the abbreviated versions get imported?
>
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Re: [talk-au] Abbreviations in bus stop names (Was Re: Mapping Transport for NSW transit stop numbers)

[Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-au]

Note that we have short_name alt_name and other name tags.


Nov 14, 2020, 01:24 by s...@samwilson.id.au:

>
> I'm not sure it applies everywhere, but one reason to keep the  original 
> abbreviations is that some transit apps aren't smart  enough to search 
> for the unabbreviated names. For example, on the  Transperth app (but 
> not, it seems, their > website > )  
> searching for "hampton road" gives one result of "Hampton Road,  Perth" 
> whereas searching for "hampton rd" gives lots of results  that are actual 
> bus stop names.
>
>
> That said, I actually don't often map these names because they're  not 
> written on the signs in Perth. The stop ref numbers are more  verifiable 
> and can be typed into the app without too much trouble  (I usually look 
> up a bus stop on OsmAnd and then copy its ref to  the transit app).
>
> On 14/11/20 6:12 am, cleary wrote:
>
>> When I have added bus stop names in the past, using signposts or local 
>> knowledge, I have avoided abbreviations as I have understood that to be 
>> usual OSM practice. I am familiar with abbreviations so I am comfortable 
>> with them, especially "St" instead of "Street" and "Dr" instead of "Drive".  
>>  Both methods convey the necessary information to users so I have no strong 
>> view.   My particular request is to avoid capitalising words other than 
>> street or place names so that "Opp" would be "opposite" or "opp" and "After" 
>> would be "after" without capital letter. I don't think these intermediary 
>> words are usually capitalised and it was this unfamiliar capitalisation that 
>> jarred with me as I read the names of the bus stops.  Whichever way it is 
>> done, this data will be a welcome addition to OSM. Thanks.On Fri, 13 Nov 
>> 2020, at 4:17 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/11/2020 9:08 am, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>>>
 There was some work going on at  
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfNSW_Data_Imports  which I don't 
 think made it to the list. So this is the perfect opportunity to raise it 
 on the list and if there are any concerns or discussions for that import, 
 let's work that out here.

>>> What are people's views on abbreviations in bus stop names?When I was 
>>> working on bus stops in Canberra I converted names such as:River St Opp 
>>> Morpeth StYamba Dr 2nd After Wisdom SttoRiver Street Opposite Morpeth 
>>> StreetYamba Drive Second After Wisdom StreetIs it worthwhile doing this for 
>>> the TfNSW data or are people happy if the abbreviated versions get 
>>> imported?___Talk-au mailing 
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Re: [talk-au] Abbreviations in bus stop names (Was Re: Mapping Transport for NSW transit stop numbers)

[Sam Wilson]

I'm not sure it applies everywhere, but one reason to keep the original 
abbreviations is that some transit apps aren't smart enough to search 
for the unabbreviated names. For example, on the Transperth app (but 
not, it seems, their website ) 
searching for "hampton road" gives one result of "Hampton Road, Perth" 
whereas searching for "hampton rd" gives lots of results that are actual 
bus stop names.


That said, I actually don't often map these names because they're not 
written on the signs in Perth. The stop ref numbers are more verifiable 
and can be typed into the app without too much trouble (I usually look 
up a bus stop on OsmAnd and then copy its ref to the transit app).


On 14/11/20 6:12 am, cleary wrote:

When I have added bus stop names in the past, using signposts or local knowledge, I have avoided abbreviations as I have understood that to be usual OSM practice. I am 
familiar with abbreviations so I am comfortable with them, especially "St" instead of "Street" and "Dr" instead of "Drive".   
Both methods convey the necessary information to users so I have no strong view.   My particular request is to avoid capitalising words other than street or place names 
so that "Opp" would be "opposite" or "opp" and "After" would be "after" without capital letter. I don't think these 
intermediary words are usually capitalised and it was this unfamiliar capitalisation that jarred with me as I read the names of the bus stops.  Whichever way it is done, 
this data will be a welcome addition to OSM. Thanks.




On Fri, 13 Nov 2020, at 4:17 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote:

On 10/11/2020 9:08 am, Andrew Harvey wrote:

There was some work going on at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfNSW_Data_Imports which I don't
think made it to the list. So this is the perfect opportunity to raise
it on the list and if there are any concerns or discussions for that
import, let's work that out here.

What are people's views on abbreviations in bus stop names?

When I was working on bus stops in Canberra I converted names such as:

River St Opp Morpeth St
Yamba Dr 2nd After Wisdom St

to

River Street Opposite Morpeth Street
Yamba Drive Second After Wisdom Street

Is it worthwhile doing this for the TfNSW data or are people happy if
the abbreviated versions get imported?


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Re: [talk-au] Abbreviations in bus stop names (Was Re: Mapping Transport for NSW transit stop numbers)

[cleary]

When I have added bus stop names in the past, using signposts or local 
knowledge, I have avoided abbreviations as I have understood that to be usual 
OSM practice. I am familiar with abbreviations so I am comfortable with them, 
especially "St" instead of "Street" and "Dr" instead of "Drive".   Both methods 
convey the necessary information to users so I have no strong view.   My 
particular request is to avoid capitalising words other than street or place 
names so that "Opp" would be "opposite" or "opp" and "After" would be "after" 
without capital letter. I don't think these intermediary words are usually 
capitalised and it was this unfamiliar capitalisation that jarred with me as I 
read the names of the bus stops.  Whichever way it is done, this data will be a 
welcome addition to OSM. Thanks.




On Fri, 13 Nov 2020, at 4:17 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote:
> On 10/11/2020 9:08 am, Andrew Harvey wrote:
> > There was some work going on at 
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TfNSW_Data_Imports which I don't 
> > think made it to the list. So this is the perfect opportunity to raise 
> > it on the list and if there are any concerns or discussions for that 
> > import, let's work that out here.
> 
> What are people's views on abbreviations in bus stop names?
> 
> When I was working on bus stops in Canberra I converted names such as:
> 
> River St Opp Morpeth St
> Yamba Dr 2nd After Wisdom St
> 
> to
> 
> River Street Opposite Morpeth Street
> Yamba Drive Second After Wisdom Street
> 
> Is it worthwhile doing this for the TfNSW data or are people happy if 
> the abbreviated versions get imported?
> 
> 
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