[talk-au] Is it a fence?

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

So, that's the question - is it still a barrier=fence when it's ~40m tall?
:-)

https://goo.gl/maps/jwwJjREMKDmVKqkj9

Thanks

Graeme
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[talk-au] Splitting Ways for small roundabout traffic islands

[Dian Ågesson]

Hello,

Quick question, as I'm not sure that there is an established consensus 
in Australia for this.


Where a way leading to a roundabout has a small traffic island, what is 
the preferred way to map? I have seen both the "traffic island as a 
node" approach (because they aren't really separate carriageways) and 
the "splitting ways" approach (because physical separation and more 
"detailed).


Specific examples: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/121203404/history 
or https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/603989993


Is there a preferred approach, or does it not really matter? If 
splitting ways, are u-turns restrictions required?


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Re: [talk-au] Proposed features/Snow chains

[Adam Steer]

hei all

first - great idea to map areas where snow chains need to be carried.

In the Australian context:

The season for needing to carry chains is generally fixed, and
corresponds to when park entry fees change (on tarred / main roads
which go to snowfields at least). In my experience its not a subject
decision every day, more like:

'between date 1 and date 2 you are required to carry chains, road A
requires all vehicles to carry chains, road B requires only 2wd
vehicles to carry chains'.

I haven't seen a requirement for winter tyres in Australia, but as a
general principle always bought ones with the snow/mountain mark
anyway :)

Chain fitting bays are usually fixed sites - the variable part is
which ones are in use as chain fitting bays on any given day, so
giving it a conditional flag which indicates 'in winter this might be
a chain fitting bay'  is a great idea.

Anyway, I've scanned the proposal and don't see any issues yet, it
seems generally useful given my experience with snow and ice driving
in Australia (seems paradoxical huh?

hope that helps,
Adam


On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 at 09:18, Andrew Harvey  wrote:
>
>  highway=chain_up_area sounds fine, while these places close/open depending 
> on conditions, many are signposted as chain bays and they don't move, so can 
> be surveyed and added.
>
> I think snow_chains:conditional=required @ ... is very useful to show roads 
> which you may be expected to carry and use snow chains, at least during 
> particular seasons. I can't see why anyone would think this is not a good 
> idea?
>
> Leaving the current situation about if you need to use the chains up to local 
> signage which does change with conditions over time so won't be tagged.
>
> On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 at 18:06, Brendan Barnes  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> For the NSW and Victorian snowfield mappers, user Trapicki has submitted a 
>> comprehensive snow chains proposal:
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Snow_chains
>>
>> A lot of Aussie chain bays are (incorrectly) tagged as parking lots, so 
>> proposed tags may be useful.
>>
>> ..Brendan
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Re: [talk-au] Proposed features/Snow chains

[Andrew Harvey]

 highway=chain_up_area sounds fine, while these places close/open depending
on conditions, many are signposted as chain bays and they don't move, so
can be surveyed and added.

I think snow_chains:conditional=required @ ... is very useful to show roads
which you may be expected to carry and use snow chains, at least during
particular seasons. I can't see why anyone would think this is not a good
idea?

Leaving the current situation about if you need to use the chains up to
local signage which does change with conditions over time so won't be
tagged.

On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 at 18:06, Brendan Barnes  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> For the NSW and Victorian snowfield mappers, user Trapicki has submitted a
> comprehensive snow chains proposal:
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Snow_chains
>
> A lot of Aussie chain bays are (incorrectly) tagged as parking lots, so
> proposed tags may be useful.
>
> ..Brendan
>
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