Re: [talk-au] New blogs on unsealed roads in Victoria

2022-01-12 Thread Ewen Hill 
Ian,
   I posted this to a private bikepacking group to see if there was any
interest. In 12 hours you had 235 likes, 6 shares and 58 comments all
positive and most putting their hand up. This is a fantastic use of OSM and
the tools around it and will show that OSM is just not a map on their
Strava App. Chapeau!

"Impressive that someone is able to use available resources to put this
together. I have wondered if such a route was possible, but gave up after
10 minutes of searching."
"Im in. Ive done north to south. East to West has to be done! Then we can
turn around and ride home"
"That's fantastic. I've added it to my to-do list - it might take a few
years to get around to it though.. or maybe to be done in sections. The
documentation and blogging on the process looks great - a lot of work."
"jeepers, won’t have legs after something like this"

On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 at 15:59, Little Maps  wrote:

> Hi folks, for everyone interested in OpenStreetMap's fantastic road data…
> I've just posted a series of blogs about unsealed roads in Victoria. I've
> pitched it at cyclists rather than mappers to widen the audience, but you
> should still find lots of interest I hope.
>
>
> https://little-maps.com/2022/01/12/the-great-vic-gravel-route-exploring-victoria-on-unsealed-roads/
>
> It starts with the question, how far can you ride across Victoria without
> hitting a paved road? Then displays Victoria's major 'gravel zones', and
> plots the route that crosses Victoria from west to east which contains the
> shortest possible distance of paved roads. It's very circuitous.
>
> A series of supplementary posts expand on the main theme and describe how
> the maps and routes were made. I hope you find it interesting. Best wishes
> Ian
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Re: [talk-au] New blogs on unsealed roads in Victoria

2022-01-12 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick 
Amazing, thanks Ian! :-)

Just posted it up on MySwag (http://www.myswag.org/index.php) so we'll see
what the interest is there!

Thanks

Graeme


On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 at 14:59, Little Maps  wrote:

> Hi folks, for everyone interested in OpenStreetMap's fantastic road data…
> I've just posted a series of blogs about unsealed roads in Victoria. I've
> pitched it at cyclists rather than mappers to widen the audience, but you
> should still find lots of interest I hope.
>
>
> https://little-maps.com/2022/01/12/the-great-vic-gravel-route-exploring-victoria-on-unsealed-roads/
>
> It starts with the question, how far can you ride across Victoria without
> hitting a paved road? Then displays Victoria's major 'gravel zones', and
> plots the route that crosses Victoria from west to east which contains the
> shortest possible distance of paved roads. It's very circuitous.
>
> A series of supplementary posts expand on the main theme and describe how
> the maps and routes were made. I hope you find it interesting. Best wishes
> Ian
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Re: [talk-au] New blogs on unsealed roads in Victoria

2022-01-12 Thread Little Maps 
Thanks everyone for the kind comments, I’m glad you enjoyed it. Many thanks for 
sharing it on social media Ewen and Graeme, Ewen’s FB post has dominated the 
traffic to the blog today. :)  Two small comments…

Re: “I was prompted to think about steep Alpine grades and cyclists... It's an 
issue I don't think OpenStreetMap can handle as we don't map the steepness of 
grades.“

Most cycling apps overlay OSM data and routes etc on a digital terrain model to 
create slope profile drawings for their routes. You can see a good example of 
this on the Gippsland section on the Vic gravel route here… 
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/38337498. There are definitely some sections 
that would require some hard bike-pushing both up and down hill.

Re: “how in the hell do you get to Nelson and back from Mallacoota? ” 

Yes, it’s definitely an impractical route! Stay tuned for the next installment. 
I suspect that some parts of the route will stay the same no matter where you 
start or finish. If so, it would create a map that looked like tributary 
streams feeding into a major river (the shared route). I’ve got to explore this 
a lot more and work out how to display the results best. Shall be interesting! 

Thanks again everyone, it couldn’t have been done without all of the work done 
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[talk-au] Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all of Australia.

2022-01-12 Thread osm.talk-au 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116091398

To quote my changeset comment:

This undiscussed, undocumented mass edit that didn't follow the
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct is
introducing a huge amount of incorrect data to the database and should be
reverted.

public_transport=platform doesn't automatically go onto every
highway=bus_stop, only in cases where that's the only thing that's mapped. 



If there is an actual waiting area of any kind, the
public_transport=platform belongs on that instead.

see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport#Buses

 

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Opinions?

 

Cheers,

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Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all of Australia.

2022-01-12 Thread Phil Wyatt 
Hi Thorsten,

 

I am pretty sure every bus stop in Tasmania has public_transport=platform
but they are predominately nodes (as we have total rubbish public transport
system here!). I am also not sure if it matters that there is a shelter or
seat, it still gets the platform tag. I think its also a validation in the
ID editor as well (cant be 100% sure)

 

The transport enthusiasts will be able to give more information

 

Cheers - Phil

 

From: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au  
Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2022 5:48 PM
To: 'OSM-Au' 
Subject: [talk-au] Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all of
Australia.

 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116091398

To quote my changeset comment:

This undiscussed, undocumented mass edit that didn't follow the
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct is
introducing a huge amount of incorrect data to the database and should be
reverted.

public_transport=platform doesn't automatically go onto every
highway=bus_stop, only in cases where that's the only thing that's mapped. 

If there is an actual waiting area of any kind, the
public_transport=platform belongs on that instead.

see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport#Buses

 

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931072496403370014
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Opinions?

 

Cheers,

Thorsten

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Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all of Australia.

2022-01-12 Thread osm.talk-au 
Hi Phil,


iD is a major part of the problem here, by very hard pushing an agenda which
doesn't have consensus for it. But that, and even the complete contents of
this edit, is beside the point.

 

The central issue is that this is an Australia wide automated edit of 1000s
of nodes that didn't follow the Automated Edit Code of Conduct. 

 

The planned edit should have been documented, and any discussion about the
merits of it should have taken place before the edit is performed, if it
achieves consensus that it is a desirable edit.

 

On the merits of this edit, the result is now that every place where the
platform has previously been mapped separately as an area now has ended up
with doubled up platform tags on both the area and the bus_stop node. 

 

Cheers,

Thorsten

 

From: Phil Wyatt  
Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2022 17:26
To: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au; 'OSM-Au' 
Subject: RE: [talk-au] Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all of
Australia.

 

Hi Thorsten,

 

I am pretty sure every bus stop in Tasmania has public_transport=platform
but they are predominately nodes (as we have total rubbish public transport
system here!). I am also not sure if it matters that there is a shelter or
seat, it still gets the platform tag. I think its also a validation in the
ID editor as well (cant be 100% sure)

 

The transport enthusiasts will be able to give more information

 

Cheers - Phil

 

From: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au

mailto:osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au> > 
Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2022 5:48 PM
To: 'OSM-Au' mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org> >
Subject: [talk-au] Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all of
Australia.

 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116091398

To quote my changeset comment:

This undiscussed, undocumented mass edit that didn't follow the
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct is
introducing a huge amount of incorrect data to the database and should be
reverted.

public_transport=platform doesn't automatically go onto every
highway=bus_stop, only in cases where that's the only thing that's mapped. 

If there is an actual waiting area of any kind, the
public_transport=platform belongs on that instead.

see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport#Buses

 

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931071450926964786
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931072496403370014
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931073576893825064
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Opinions?

 

Cheers,

Thorsten

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Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all of Australia.

2022-01-12 Thread Warin 


On 13/1/22 5:47 pm, osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au wrote:


https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116091398 



To quote my changeset comment:

This undiscussed, undocumented mass edit that didn't follow the 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct 
 
is introducing a huge amount of incorrect data to the database and 
should be reverted.


public_transport=platform doesn't automatically go onto every 
highway=bus_stop, only in cases where that's the only thing that's 
mapped.


If there is an actual waiting area of any kind, the 
public_transport=platform belongs on that instead.


see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport#Buses 





Umm from the above page

"If there is no real platform and you will only find a simple sign for 
the passengers …
Add a node node at the location of the bus stop sign. It gets following 
tags:


    public_transport=platform
    highway=bus_stop
    name= or ref=
    optional: additional tags like shelter=yes/no, bench=yes/no, 
bin=yes/no, etc."



In most instances in Australia all there is is a 'bus stop sign' and 
shelter with bench if your lucky. So in the majority of cases the 
tagging would be correct.



---

I think this came about from 'public transport version 2'. I don't know 
if it is 'required'.


Personally I see platforms for trains, wharf? for ferries and usually 
nothing for buses.


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Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all of Australia.

2022-01-12 Thread Phil Wyatt 
I agree it should have been discussed and documented - I have advised the
Data Working Group

 

From: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au  
Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2022 6:36 PM
To: 'OSM-Au' 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all of
Australia.

 

Hi Phil,


iD is a major part of the problem here, by very hard pushing an agenda which
doesn't have consensus for it. But that, and even the complete contents of
this edit, is beside the point.

 

The central issue is that this is an Australia wide automated edit of 1000s
of nodes that didn't follow the Automated Edit Code of Conduct. 

 

The planned edit should have been documented, and any discussion about the
merits of it should have taken place before the edit is performed, if it
achieves consensus that it is a desirable edit.

 

On the merits of this edit, the result is now that every place where the
platform has previously been mapped separately as an area now has ended up
with doubled up platform tags on both the area and the bus_stop node. 

 

Cheers,

Thorsten

 

From: Phil Wyatt mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2022 17:26
To: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au
 ; 'OSM-Au'
mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org> >
Subject: RE: [talk-au] Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all of
Australia.

 

Hi Thorsten,

 

I am pretty sure every bus stop in Tasmania has public_transport=platform
but they are predominately nodes (as we have total rubbish public transport
system here!). I am also not sure if it matters that there is a shelter or
seat, it still gets the platform tag. I think its also a validation in the
ID editor as well (cant be 100% sure)

 

The transport enthusiasts will be able to give more information

 

Cheers - Phil

 

From: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au

mailto:osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au> > 
Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2022 5:48 PM
To: 'OSM-Au' mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org> >
Subject: [talk-au] Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all of
Australia.

 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116091398

To quote my changeset comment:

This undiscussed, undocumented mass edit that didn't follow the
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct is
introducing a huge amount of incorrect data to the database and should be
reverted.

public_transport=platform doesn't automatically go onto every
highway=bus_stop, only in cases where that's the only thing that's mapped. 

If there is an actual waiting area of any kind, the
public_transport=platform belongs on that instead.

see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport#Buses

 

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931071450926964786
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931072496403370014
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Cheers,

Thorsten

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