Re: [talk-au] "Illegal", & "asked to be closed" tracks?

[forster]

Hi Graeme

"Illegally constructed trail bike tracks", so
 possibly just tagging it as motor_vehicles=private, foot & bikes=yes, would
 solve it?

No, I don't think so.
Its a trail bike track so its probably too narrow for cars,  
motor_vehicles=private seems irrelevant
foot & bikes=yes, It sounds like the landowner didn't want the track  
constructed and most likely doesn't want any traffic at all. access=no  
is probably the most accurate.


Strava, glowing dull red cuts out the lifecycle prefixes.

I would probably tag it access=no and close it with a comment that  
removing it from the map is not a simple process and that the creator,  
Cormacticii probably should ask on talk-au


Tony



On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 at 17:34,  wrote:



   https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2788602#map=15/-33.7227/150.6317
Contact the land manager, if the land manager can make a serious job
of closing the track to traffic then it might be OK to use a lifecycle
prefix, there are a few to choose from.



Thanks - now who to ask?

The Note's OP says that it's "Deerubbin LALC land", which I'm thinking is
Local Aboriginal Land Council?, while we show that it comes under Blue
Mountains City Council. Which of the two would have the say? Or is it State
Govt?

Also thought to have a look on Strava, which shows this looped track as
glowing dull red, so a reasonable number of people are certainly using it!

Complaint was that it was "Illegally constructed trail bike tracks", so
possibly just tagging it as motor_vehicles=private, foot & bikes=yes, would
solve it?

Thanks

Graeme

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Re: [talk-au] "Illegal", & "asked to be closed" tracks?

[cleary]

In regard to second link which refers to a private road on Crown land :  

Crown land is not the same as public land. There are many areas of 
government-owned land that are closed to the public.  The land may be reserved 
or dedicated for particular purposes that are best served by exclusion of the 
public. Or land may be leased so that the leaseholder has exclusive access for 
the duration of the lease.  Thus a private road on Crown land would not be open 
to the public.

In my view, the fact that the Council-maintained road appears to cease at the 
point where the "private road" commences supports the view that it is probably 
private.  

Many roads in western NSW are on Crown land that is leased by farmers. The farm 
roads are private and not open to the public.




On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, at 6:34 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
> Graeme
>
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2788602#map=15/-33.7227/150.6317
> Contact the land manager, if the land manager can make a serious job  
> of closing the track to traffic then it might be OK to use a lifecycle  
> prefix, there are a few to choose from.
>
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2348884#map=15/-34.6020/150.6799
> I think this one can't work out if its  public or private land, often  
> the private party is bluffing and its public land.
>
> Tony
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