Re: [talk-au] access=destination was [Ticket#2021093010000048] HighRouleur

2022-03-25 Thread forster

Hi Sebastian

access=privateAccess is only with permission on an individual basis
access=destinationTransit traffic forbidden
access=permissive open to general traffic until such time as the  
owner revoke the permission


My inclination is that if you are not sure, don't use the tag. Its OK  
to use less tags.


It would be good to know which village you are referring to. In the  
case of Penguin Resort changeset#118193819 where I have just taken  
mapillary images, I think I would leave it at just highway=service and  
not use any of permissive, destination or private unless I had good  
evidence.


Tony



In using the tag access=permissive, how does one verify that access   
has not been revoked by the owner?
In one of the changesets in question, the site clearly private   
property (as it is a retirement village)
I would have thought that access=private would have been a better   
tag to use in lieu of destination.





regards,

Sebastian


On 21 Mar 2022, at 1:44 pm, Andrew Harvey  wrote:
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 at 10:22,  wrote:

Then there are networks that are clearly signed indicating Transit
traffic is forbidden. These are the only places I would use the
access=destination tag.

Have I got it right? Right enough to revert any tagging that does   
not conform?


See also   
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Local_Traffic_Only and the linked discussion   
thread.


Those example changesets look questionable to me, but I don't have   
the local knowledge. Private property open to the public is more   
"access=permissive". access=destination really should only be for   
something signed as not allowing through traffic. I'd suggest   
adding a changeset comment to invite them here to discuss further,   
if you don't hear back then I think it's reasonable to revert.

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Re: [talk-au] access=destination was [Ticket#2021093010000048] HighRouleur

2022-03-25 Thread Sebastian Azagra Flores via Talk-au
In using the tag access=permissive, how does one verify that access has not 
been revoked by the owner?
In one of the changesets in question, the site clearly private property (as it 
is a retirement village)
I would have thought that access=private would have been a better tag to use in 
lieu of destination. 




regards,

Sebastian 

> On 21 Mar 2022, at 1:44 pm, Andrew Harvey  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 at 10:22,  wrote:
>> Then there are networks that are clearly signed indicating Transit  
>> traffic is forbidden. These are the only places I would use the  
>> access=destination tag.
>> 
>> Have I got it right? Right enough to revert any tagging that does not 
>> conform?
> 
> See also 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Local_Traffic_Only
>  and the linked discussion thread.
> 
> Those example changesets look questionable to me, but I don't have the local 
> knowledge. Private property open to the public is more "access=permissive". 
> access=destination really should only be for something signed as not allowing 
> through traffic. I'd suggest adding a changeset comment to invite them here 
> to discuss further, if you don't hear back then I think it's reasonable to 
> revert.
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Re: [talk-au] "Road names" around airports

2022-03-25 Thread forster

Hi
Sound like destinations, not road names. Is destination=* suitable?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination

Tony


Have spotted 2 notes concerning what names should be added to functional
roads around airports (& other places would have similar).

https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3100210, the OP is saying that the names
(Arrival, Departure etc) are made up so shouldn't be there, while

https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3064660, seems to be suggesting that
they be named as Rental Car Return & so on!

So, should they be named, or just tagged with access=no + taxi=yes etc?

Thanks

Graeme







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[talk-au] "Road names" around airports

2022-03-25 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Have spotted 2 notes concerning what names should be added to functional
roads around airports (& other places would have similar).

https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3100210, the OP is saying that the names
(Arrival, Departure etc) are made up so shouldn't be there, while

https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3064660, seems to be suggesting that
they be named as Rental Car Return & so on!

So, should they be named, or just tagged with access=no + taxi=yes etc?

Thanks

Graeme
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