[talk-au] "Wrong" phone numbers

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Just fixing a Note, & the company's phone number is listed on their website
as 1300 xx xx, as they have their name in it. If you dial it though,
the system will ignore the last two digits, as the first 10 make a valid
number

So how do we map it?

Phone numbers are supposed to be formatted as 1300 xxx xxx, so will
including the last two digits cause an error?

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] Proposed Bulk Edit: Road Route Numbering.

[Mark Pulley]

Sounds OK to me.

I’ve been doing some work on the relations - I’ve been arranging the ways in 
order, to make it easier to see where any gaps are, and adding missing ways 
back in. (I’m assuming that when some editors have split ways, the relations 
haven’t been copied to both ways, e.g. a new bridge is missing from the 
relation)

I’ll upload what I’ve done later today or tomorrow (with the new network tags), 
prior to the bulk edit. There’s still some relations I haven’t done (mainly 
A/B/C routes, and routes without numbers) - I won’t be able to look at these 
for the next few weeks.

For the ‘Alternative’ routes I’ve used AU:VIC:ALT_NR, AU:WA:ALT_NR, 
AU:WA:ALT_S, and tor the Alt-A2 in QLD I’ve used AU:QLD:ALT.

Mark P.

> On 20 Sep 2022, at 8:13 pm, Dian Ågesson  wrote:
> 
> Hello list,
> 
> You may recall earlier this month the road route tagging guidelines were 
> updated to adopt the "AU:" country prefix in the network field. 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2022-September/016533.html 
> 
> In order to make the transition as quick and seamless as possible, I'd like 
> to propose a bulk edit to adjust the network tabs across Australia.
> 
> The edit would:
> 
> Change all road network tags to use the AU prefix in alignment with the new 
> tagging guidelines 
> (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Roads#Routes
>  
> )
> If there is support for this effort, I will make the change in one weeks time.
> 
> 
> 
> Would appreciate your thoughts and concerns.
> 
> Dian
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Re: [talk-au] Place name as name=Scarborough, Queensland, Australia

[Nev]

Thanks Alex,
that’s very helpful to me.
Nev


> On 21 Sep 2022, at 9:55 pm, Alex Sims  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
>  
> In general abbreviations and commas are avoided in tagging OpenStreetMap 
> wide, so no don’t add a comma but add an appropriate tag.
>  
> The Australian  tagging guidelines 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Land_and_boundaries
>  don’t have an example using a node as a label, but the suburb of Cremorne, 
> NSW does, https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5655122
>  
> So in the case of Scarborough, the relation 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11677688 should have the node 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421 added as a “label”. This will 
> then show up as the “centre” of Scarborough.
>  
> The node https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421 should have the name 
> changed back to just “Scarborough” and the population tags moved to the 
> relation.
>  
> Alex
>  
> From: Nev W 
> Date: Wednesday, 21 September 2022 at 8:22 pm
> To: talk OSM Australian List 
> Subject: [talk-au] Place name as name=Scarborough, Queensland, Australia
> 
> Hi
> I have noticed that place names are altered to add the state, or country, 
> city in OSM.
> Here is an example https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421/history
> I have tried correcting what I see as incorrect tagging.
> But on reflection, is it ok to define the place with the addition of a comma 
> and further definition?
> Is there something on the wiki to point these mappers to that clarifies this?
>  
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dsuburb
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Re: [talk-au] Place name as name=Scarborough, Queensland, Australia

[Alex Sims]

Hi,

In general abbreviations and commas are avoided in tagging OpenStreetMap wide, 
so no don’t add a comma but add an appropriate tag.

The Australian  tagging guidelines 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Land_and_boundaries
 don’t have an example using a node as a label, but the suburb of Cremorne, NSW 
does, https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5655122

So in the case of Scarborough, the relation 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11677688 should have the node 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421 added as a “label”. This will then 
show up as the “centre” of Scarborough.

The node https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421 should have the name 
changed back to just “Scarborough” and the population tags moved to the 
relation.

Alex

From: Nev W 
Date: Wednesday, 21 September 2022 at 8:22 pm
To: talk OSM Australian List 
Subject: [talk-au] Place name as name=Scarborough, Queensland, Australia
Hi
I have noticed that place names are altered to add the state, or country, city 
in OSM.
Here is an example https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421/history
I have tried correcting what I see as incorrect tagging.
But on reflection, is it ok to define the place with the addition of a comma 
and further definition?
Is there something on the wiki to point these mappers to that clarifies this?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dsuburb
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Re: [talk-au] Place name as name=Scarborough, Queensland, Australia

[nwastra]

I expect the best solution for now is to revert the name to Scarborough and add 
the is_in tag

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:is_in
I thought it was depreciated but seems to be useful in this case

> On 21 Sep 2022, at 8:53 pm, Nev W  wrote:
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[talk-au] Place name as name=Scarborough, Queensland, Australia

[Nev W]

Hi
I have noticed that place names are altered to add the state, or country, city 
in OSM.
Here is an example https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/268549421/history 

I have tried correcting what I see as incorrect tagging.
But on reflection, is it ok to define the place with the addition of a comma 
and further definition?
Is there something on the wiki to point these mappers to that clarifies this?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dsuburb___
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Re: [talk-au] add boundary=forest tag to Qld State Forests and Timber Reserves

[Nev W]

Hi
this is complete now for Qld.
When the boundary=forest get rendered, it should help to improve landuse and 
landcover mapping. 
The landuse=forest makes it difficult to map separate natural and plantation 
areas within a forest and see it rendered.
I came across a few duplicate overlapping landuses within in the forests so I 
changed the tagging for these to landcover=trees + plantation=yes. 
Hopefully the messiness in these things get resolved to everyones satisfaction 
eventually.  
I notice that that gas extraction seems to be the main activity in many of the 
State Forests in southern Qld west of the ranges until the trees regrow.
Nev
> Hi, I want to check the boundaries of the Qld State Forests and Timber 
> Reserves which are included in the Protected areas of Qld dataset of 2022 
> which we have explicit permission to use.
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Data_Sources#Queensland 
>  
>  >
> Both boundaries are legislated under the Forestry Act 1959.
> 
> The tags I intend to use are as follows, and introduce the new 
> boundary=forest tag which will hopefully be rendered on the Standard layer 
> with more use:
> 
> attribution=Queensland Department of Environment and Science
> boundary=forest
> governance_type=government
> landuse=forest
> name=xx State Forest or Timber Reserve
> operator=Queensland Department of Environment and Science
> protection_title=State Forest or Timber Reserve
> ref:paoq:sysintcode=3406TBF001
> source=Protected areas of Queensland - boundaries - 2022
> type=boundary (for the multi-polygons only) 
> 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dforest 
>  
>  >
> 
> If requested I can post the ogr2osm translation file and the .osm data file.
> 
> Nev

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