[talk-au] Road corridors with no road - what access?

[Adam Horan]

When comparing satellite imagery and various maps on Vic Maps, you can find
what seem to be road corridors that don't have roads in them. (I'm looking
on https://vic.digitaltwin.terria.io/ and
https://mapshare.vic.gov.au/mapsharevic/ and when you show parcel data you
can see these linear areas that extend off the end of roads, usually in
rural areas. These linear areas do not show parcel information, unlike the
surrounding blocks)

They tend to be visible in sat imagery too as scrubby or rougher land
compared to the fields and paddocks around them.

I would love to be able to legally (and safely) use these as walking and
running routes in my  surrounding countryside, and also allow others to do
so. They're attractive as they're traffic free.

I'll link to some examples below, but I'll ask my questions here:
1. How can I validate if these are unbuilt roads, and how can I check what
the access is?
1a. I guess as these aren't main roads that they belong to the local
council?
2. If a path is already present then I can map that as a simple path, but
how could I map and tag the land?

Cheers,

Adam

Example 1 :  Lambert Road, Pearcedale
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-38.1829/145.2334
If you look on VicMap you can see the corridor extends to the west to meet
with Middle Road.
https://vic.digitaltwin.terria.io/#share=s-2TIhhoK5rNdNfc4m2WxVtMMraiG
https://www.bing.com/maps?cp=-38.182821%7E145.233097=17.8=h
This one seems pretty clear to me as there's a nice clear wooded line, when
I recently passed this on Middle Rd you could see an unfenced section.

Example 2 : NW extension of 'Favorite Hill Rd' to North Road

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/-38.17566/145.23470
https://vic.digitaltwin.terria.io/#share=s-5PIrhAi6EP5M1ivchIyH9lfyGxF
https://www.bing.com/maps?cp=-38.174379%7E145.236276=17.3=h

This one is visible on sat imagery, however it does seem to be fenced off
from the established road.
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Re: [talk-au] Maranda or Maranoa Road

[nwastra nwastra]

Thanks Bob, it viewed fine in the Mapillary app. I’ve edit the map to Maranoa 
Road now.


> On 11 Dec 2023, at 3:36 pm, Bob Cameron  wrote:
> 
> Hi Nev
> 
> The Mapillary imagery at the eastern end at Carnarvon Hwy;
> 
> https://www.mapillary.com/app/user/bob3bob3?lat=-27.124729889167=149.06543468617=17%5B%5D=bob3bob3=2018-12-01=894202007803486=photo=0.7498372203522408=0.5576487643887181=2.5378590078328984
> 
> https://www.mapillary.com/app/user/bob3bob3?lat=-27.124956401538=149.06555451822=17%5B%5D=bob3bob3=2018-12-01=536970883983415=photo=0.5062349898034363=0.4869555951651467=0
> 
> The Mapillary interface is far more usable than the tiny OSM-ID window,
> 
> Says Maranoa. Maranoa is also the name of a large Qld river and LGA centred 
> on Roma.
> 
> Pls tell me if the above links work or not. It may get messed up with my 
> login name..
> 
> Cheers
> 
> On 11/12/23 14:02, Nev W wrote:
>> Thanks Graeme. Will correct it soon.
>> Nev
>> 
>>> On 11 Dec 2023, at 12:49 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick  
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Qld Geocoder says Maranoa
>> 
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Re: [talk-au] Maranda or Maranoa Road

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Worked for me, thanks, Bob.

I can see why somebody looking at the first photo could think Maranda
though!

Thanks

Graeme


On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 at 15:40, Bob Cameron  wrote:

> Hi Nev
>
> The Mapillary imagery at the eastern end at Carnarvon Hwy;
>
>
> https://www.mapillary.com/app/user/bob3bob3?lat=-27.124729889167=149.06543468617=17%5B%5D=bob3bob3=2018-12-01=894202007803486=photo=0.7498372203522408=0.5576487643887181=2.5378590078328984
>
>
> https://www.mapillary.com/app/user/bob3bob3?lat=-27.124956401538=149.06555451822=17%5B%5D=bob3bob3=2018-12-01=536970883983415=photo=0.5062349898034363=0.4869555951651467=0
>
> The Mapillary interface is far more usable than the tiny OSM-ID window,
>
> Says Maranoa. Maranoa is also the name of a large Qld river and LGA
> centred on Roma.
>
> Pls tell me if the above links work or not. It may get messed up with my
> login name..
>
> Cheers
> On 11/12/23 14:02, Nev W wrote:
>
> Thanks Graeme. Will correct it soon.
> Nev
>
> On 11 Dec 2023, at 12:49 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
>  wrote:
>
> Qld Geocoder says Maranoa
>
>
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Re: [talk-au] Maranda or Maranoa Road

[Bob Cameron]

Hi Nev

The Mapillary imagery at the eastern end at Carnarvon Hwy;

https://www.mapillary.com/app/user/bob3bob3?lat=-27.124729889167=149.06543468617=17%5B%5D=bob3bob3=2018-12-01=894202007803486=photo=0.7498372203522408=0.5576487643887181=2.5378590078328984

https://www.mapillary.com/app/user/bob3bob3?lat=-27.124956401538=149.06555451822=17%5B%5D=bob3bob3=2018-12-01=536970883983415=photo=0.5062349898034363=0.4869555951651467=0

The Mapillary interface is far more usable than the tiny OSM-ID window,

Says Maranoa. Maranoa is also the name of a large Qld river and LGA 
centred on Roma.


Pls tell me if the above links work or not. It may get messed up with my 
login name..


Cheers

On 11/12/23 14:02, Nev W wrote:

Thanks Graeme. Will correct it soon.
Nev

On 11 Dec 2023, at 12:49 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
 wrote:


Qld Geocoder says Maranoa



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Re: [talk-au] Maranda or Maranoa Road

[Nev W]

Thanks Graeme. Will correct it soon.
Nev

> On 11 Dec 2023, at 12:49 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> 
> Qld Geocoder says Maranoa

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Re: [talk-au] Maranda or Maranoa Road

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Nev

Qld Geocoder says Maranoa

https://apps.information.qld.gov.au/data/cadastre/GenerateSmartMap?q=32\EG14

https://apps.information.qld.gov.au/data/cadastre/GenerateSmartMap?q=2\SP124668

Thanks

Graeme


On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 at 12:19, Nev W  wrote:

> I checked the QSpatial State Controlled Roads dataset listed in the
> Australian Data Sources catalogue but this road is not in the dataset,
>
> > On 11 Dec 2023, at 11:30 am, Nev W  wrote:
> >
> > I noticed this road near Surat in Qld named Maranda Road for all it’s
> history.
> > I have noticed it called Maranoa Road on other maps which I expect is
> correct.
> > Is there an osm suitable source we can refer to for checking road names
> as there is no Maillary imagery or can someone confirm the correct name?
> >
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/141481858/history#map=14/-27.1550/149.0153
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Re: [talk-au] Maranda or Maranoa Road

[Nev W]

I checked the QSpatial State Controlled Roads dataset listed in the Australian 
Data Sources catalogue but this road is not in the dataset,

> On 11 Dec 2023, at 11:30 am, Nev W  wrote:
> 
> I noticed this road near Surat in Qld named Maranda Road for all it’s history.
> I have noticed it called Maranoa Road on other maps which I expect is correct.
> Is there an osm suitable source we can refer to for checking road names as 
> there is no Maillary imagery or can someone confirm the correct name?
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/141481858/history#map=14/-27.1550/149.0153
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[talk-au] Maranda or Maranoa Road

[Nev W]

I noticed this road near Surat in Qld named Maranda Road for all it’s history.
I have noticed it called Maranoa Road on other maps which I expect is correct.
Is there an osm suitable source we can refer to for checking road names as 
there is no Maillary imagery or can someone confirm the correct name?
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/141481858/history#map=14/-27.1550/149.0153
Way History: ‪Maranda Road‬ (‪141481858‬)
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