Re: [talk-au] Mass Edit Proposal - South Australia's Arterial Traffic Network

2024-03-03 Thread Frederik Ramm

Hi,

On 3/3/24 09:13, Daniel O'Connor wrote:

Can't be stuffed registering to add comments on that thread.


Please do. Mailing lists are on their way out (speaking as an over 50 
year old person who was using mailing lists before the web even 
existed). The community forum doesn't require a separate registration - 
your OSM account is sufficient.


It's no good for us mailing list users to grumble over here while people 
on the community forum might get the impression that the proposal is a 
great idea.


Bye
Frederik

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Re: [talk-au] Mass Edit Proposal - South Australia's Arterial Traffic Network

2024-03-03 Thread Andrew Welch via Talk-au
It's only occurring again because he's been told that changing roads to
DataSA classifications will result in further blocks.

And yeah, as Daniel has said, this is a pointless edit that offers no real
improvements, and realistically seems like an attempt for one mapper to
continue mapping the way they want to, as per previous efforts. The data
exists elsewhere in a very usable format, so it's not as if it's helping to
put together some kind of dataset that doesn't yet exist, and I don't see
it being used by any current or future data consumer outside of some kind
of academic/research oriented output (which I would expect would take
DataSA's dataset over us).

Thanks,
Andrew Welch
m...@andrewwelch.net


On Sun, 3 Mar 2024 at 18:52, Daniel O'Connor 
wrote:

> Sigh, here we go again.
>
> Can't be stuffed registering to add comments on that thread.
>
> This proposal goes against the "map what's on the ground" principles that
> countless others have surveyed or made good faith judgement calls on.
>
> I am unclear why we are still attempting to have any conversation about
> this: previous efforts to map in the style proposed were to the point we
> considered it nearly vandalism.
> This only slightly changes the approach. I have no faith this materially
> improves the map.
>
> I don't want to be out on a bike ride and find misclassified tracks
> cutting across private property from armchair mapping. I don't want to go
> for a drive and end up routed down things that aren't residential streets
> because a ghost record of a road that was never built is marked as
> residential in a rural council's data set.
>
> And most specifically for this dataset, I don't want trucks going down
> what is at most a highway tertiary but is officially a highway secondary or
> similar based on someone who *isn't in the government* trying to push a
> government dataset as gospel, ignoring mapping efforts that have preceded
> it.
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 3, 2024, 6:05 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> wrote:
>
>> Please have a look at
>> https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/mass-edit-proposal-south-australias-arterial-traffic-network/110006/2
>> & comment if you wish.
>>
>> NB I am only posting this to get the word out, the proposal has nothing
>> at all to do with me!
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] Mass Edit Proposal - South Australia's Arterial Traffic Network

2024-03-03 Thread Daniel O'Connor
Sigh, here we go again.

Can't be stuffed registering to add comments on that thread.

This proposal goes against the "map what's on the ground" principles that
countless others have surveyed or made good faith judgement calls on.

I am unclear why we are still attempting to have any conversation about
this: previous efforts to map in the style proposed were to the point we
considered it nearly vandalism.
This only slightly changes the approach. I have no faith this materially
improves the map.

I don't want to be out on a bike ride and find misclassified tracks cutting
across private property from armchair mapping. I don't want to go for a
drive and end up routed down things that aren't residential streets because
a ghost record of a road that was never built is marked as residential in a
rural council's data set.

And most specifically for this dataset, I don't want trucks going down what
is at most a highway tertiary but is officially a highway secondary or
similar based on someone who *isn't in the government* trying to push a
government dataset as gospel, ignoring mapping efforts that have preceded
it.




On Sun, Mar 3, 2024, 6:05 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

> Please have a look at
> https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/mass-edit-proposal-south-australias-arterial-traffic-network/110006/2
> & comment if you wish.
>
> NB I am only posting this to get the word out, the proposal has nothing at
> all to do with me!
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
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