Re: [talk-au] Solar panels on Stucco building

[Marc Gemis]

Some additional sources:

- The project of the British OSM community:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_2019_Q3_Project:_Solar_Power and a
YouTube video about that project:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYFBM0Dpdvw=1269s
- My Preset for Mapping in Belgium has a preset for solar panels on a roof:
https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Presets/BENELUX

Happy Mapping

m.

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 12:43 PM Mat Attlee  wrote:

> In adding the Stucco building (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/892621508)
> in Newtown, NSW I noticed it has lots of solar panels on its roof and the
> Wikipedia page goes into quite a bit of detail about the panels
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stucco_Co-operative
>
> I'd add them myself though I am not so experienced with adding panels
>
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Re: [talk-au] What is a discussion brief?

[Marc Gemis]

Herbert,

I'm very sorry, but I have no clue what you are trying to achieve with
your series of complaints. At least I see them as complaints. it would
be helpful to me, that you give a number of real examples where the
documentation is lacking or wrong or ...
I have the feeling you either do not understand the way OSM works, or
that you do understand it, but want to change it completely.
Describing some actual problems would solve this.
Also, whenever I see someone coming to OSM with a basket full of
complaints and "demanding" OSM to change, they clash with the existing
community and leave sooner or later. Either disappointed or angry. OSM
will not radically change because some random individual does not like
the way it works.

It's also worrying to me that you write "Going into OSM and mapping is
the least of my concerns". Mapping is AFAIK, the number 1 reason for
many people in the OSM world.
Did you already map something? Was that a problem? If so, why? That
are things we can help with, by giving answers here, or updating the
Wiki.
I wonder whether we can help you if you stay vague and describe some
high level workflow or procedures.

Hopefully Discussion C  confusion about tagging bike tracks in the ACT
will be a real tagging issue.

regards

m.

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 1:43 AM Herbert.Remi via Talk-au
 wrote:
>
> What is a discussion brief?
> A discussion brief serves to describe comprehensively what we know before we 
> go on to review an issue in OSM. The objective is to decide how to solve a 
> nagging problem. I resist in saying the “best way” as I think often there may 
> be no golden rule to be found.
> I think it enough that OSM is consistent and that we have a definition of 
> quality. Quality is important because when we are trying “improve” OSM it is 
> often “quality” issues, but if there is no consensus of what quality is, then 
> there will be differing opinions on what to do. This is one of the reasons 
> that discussion can become quite circular: the same word means to different 
> people different things.
> Therefore, please go through the facts presented at the top of this brief and 
> the quality definition and try to find fault with it. The information should 
> be true and factual. The quality definition should be complete (nothing 
> missing) and fit for the purpose described in the brief.
> The next step is the review of the OSM guidelines and Australia guidelines. 
> Everybody in OSM knows something of these. Even beginners need to know some 
> basics. This section is intended to provide a level playing field: it is a 
> reminder and education all in one. I hope this helps get the participation of 
> the widest possible audience, not just the knockers. Again, please go through 
> the facts presented in this section and suggest corrections if any errors are 
> found.
> The next section of the discussion brief will present a problem with 
> inconsistency or quality found in OSM and specifically in the ACT, which is 
> my area of interest. The purpose is to reconcile what is in OSM with the 
> guidelines and other known facts (laws and regulations) to decide what is the 
> best way to proceed. I think in most cases, the decision will be to revert to 
> the guidelines. There is an issue here that the guidelines are often 
> ambiguous or even conflicting. This can be resolved by changes to state, 
> country or general guidelines. Considering all the work already done, I think 
> guidelines are in many cases likely to be serviceable and that the problem is 
> more likely to arise from poor or inconsistent implementation. A social 
> solution is then best which involves bringing the current generation of 
> mappers for the area up to speed, once again. This is a perpetual task.
> The final step is to fix the problem. Going into OSM and mapping is the least 
> of my concerns. OSM mappers do that very well and it is the reason that OSM 
> is so successful. Another task that may arise from time to time is updating 
> OSM guidelines. This is a wiki job and not suited to everybody. Any football 
> team has only one goalkeeper but many players on the field. Wiki is like 
> that. You need some people doing it but many more mapping. We would hope, 
> that the wiki guidelines are the first place that the mapper goes, but if 
> not, then it will guide future controversy. At the very least, this process 
> should feed some mapper experience back improving the guidelines.
> This process could be done for other states and countries, but I am not 
> getting personally involved in that. I would like to thank, however, the many 
> people who do map areas they have never been and never likely to go. This 
> makes the OSM task a lot easier for the rest of us.
> I hope to release the first discussion brief soon.
> Discussion C: Two steps forward and one step back - confusion about tagging 
> bike tracks in the ACT.
> I look forward to your contributions.
>
> 

Re: [talk-au] topic A: the platform itself

[Marc Gemis]

Please allow me to share some experiences of moving to another
platform we had in our community.

In Belgium we moved from the mailing list to Matrix/Riot . Most active
participants in the community made the move, but in the process we
lost some people
Matrix/Riot is good for short questions, but is IMHO very bad for
longer discussions. We have 1 or 2 people that insist on using the
forum, so some things have to be repeated there.

When I look at the neighbouring countries, it notice that it is
difficult to move people from one platform to another. Some stick with
mail, some with the forum, etc.

It will probably be hard to convince people to use a new platform and
they will be the first to pinpoint any weaknesses in the new platform
and either go back to the old platform or "leave" the community.


Just my 2 cents

regards

m

On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 9:27 AM Edoardo Neerhut  wrote:
>
> Thanks for bringing this up Herbert.
>
> Similar sentiments
> This has actually been bothering me the last few weeks as I started to 
> realise how much of my day is spent reading through talklists that do not 
> have relevance to me or that I do not have time to respond to. For those of 
> us subscribed to multiple talklists, it becomes a very time consuming and 
> inefficient communication method.
>
> The problem is that you need to read every single one in case you miss 
> something relevant. There are lot of good conversations taking place and I 
> wish I had time to engage more, but I need to be selective.
>
> The platform
> I like the idea of a forum which can be categorised and allow the viewer to 
> make quicker decisions about which topics that would like to engage with. 
> Whether that is the OpenStreetMap forum or something else doesn't bother me. 
> Although the OpenStreetMap forum would make sense so that people can find it 
> easily.
>
> Slack is very convenient, but it is not good for important discussions 
> because the messages get archived unless you sign up to a cost prohibitive 
> plan which our community would not be able to afford.
>
> Setting a standard
> I am not sure any of this can be dictated, but it is a good discussion to 
> have and I would be interested to see how the rest of the community feels. Of 
> course asking here is inherently going to target those already using the 
> talklists, so I will bring this up in other places as well.
>
> Overall I support the interest to discuss this on a more efficient, intuitive 
> platform.
>
> On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 09:10, David Wales  wrote:
>>
>> I am a member of some international OSM Slack channels.
>>
>> However, because it requires a whole different app (which I only have space 
>> for on my computer), I only check it monthly at best.
>>
>> On the other hand, I read every talk-au message within a few days of 
>> original posting, because they all arrive in my email inbox on my phone.
>>
>> If the number of talk-au emails reaches overwhelming levels, it might be 
>> necessary to investigate other solutions. However, I don't think we have 
>> reached that point yet.
>>
>> If we ever did explore alternatives, I would prefer an open platform, which 
>> we can host ourselves, rather than Slack or some other proprietary system.
>>
>> Regards,
>> David
>>
>> On 20 September 2019 4:31:44 pm AEST, Frederik Ramm  
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On 9/20/19 03:14, Herbert.Remi via Talk-au wrote:

 I will post several concerns and information on several issues, but the
 first is this platform itself.
>>>
>>>
>>> You call this platform a "forum" which is ok in the abstract sense, but
>>> note that there is actually an Australia forum in addition to this
>>> Australia mailing list
>>> (https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=24). The forum
>>> provides a slightly different user experience but is used less.
>>>
>>> In other countries, people have set up Slack channels or Facebook groups
>>> or even more esoteric channels of communication, in addition of or as a
>>> replacement for mailing lists - browse
>>> https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index if you want to get an idea.
>>>
>>> There's no strict rule about where the OSM community should discuss
>>> their issues, however media that requires prior registration with a
>>> third-party entity - like Slack or Facebook - are sometimes frowned upon
>>> as they give control over who can participate to that third party and
>>> might require the participant to agree to wide-ranging exploitation of
>>> their personal data by a commercial entity.
>>>
>>> In Germany where I hail from, the forum and the mailing list are used by
>>> about the same number of (but largely different) people, and since the
>>> total number of contributors is large enough to guarantee lively
>>> discussion on both, that's totally fine. Germany also has mailing lists
>>> for individual states but they are used very little, and even
>>> state-specific issues would often be discussed on the nationwide list to
>>> ensure 

Re: [talk-au] Correct way to tag pedestrian crossings with traffic signals

[Marc Gemis]

Hallo Thomas,

I only use the second method. If I see the first one, I add the nodes
for the crossings, tag them as in the second way and remove
crossing=traffic_signals from the original node.

regards

m.

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 1:04 AM Thomas Manson  wrote:
>
> I am trying to determine the best way to tag pedestrian crossings.
>
> These are the map features that I am trying to tag: 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3500829415 and 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2039208753
>
> They are currently tagged:
> crossing:traffic_signals
> highway:traffic_signals
>
> However, on the page 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtraffic_signals, there 
> appears
> to be 2 ways to tag this, with the alternative being:
> highway:crossing
> crossing:traffic_signals
> for the cases (like this is) where the pedestrian crossing is not separately 
> mapped - in this case it is only a pedestrian crossing, not an intersection.
>
> My reading is that the second way is preferred for this type of crossing. Am 
> I correct?
>
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Re: [talk-au] Our work in last two weeks

[Marc Gemis]

I think the QA tool should/could see that the sharp corner is in a point
shared with another way and that there is no reason to report a warning.


On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 4:26 PM Nemanja Bračko  wrote:

> Because tool doesn't know is this a special (allowed) case, or user's
> mistake. It just reports that geometry is not logical.
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 4:21 PM Marc Gemis  wrote:
>
>> Why does a split make any difference ? Is this a "special" feature of the
>> QA-tool you are using ?
>> The QA tool should understand that the sharp U-turn is not the only route
>> one can follow.
>>
>> m.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 10:58 AM Nemanja Bračko 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> You've been flagged as "Impossible angle in highway" many times because
>>> of these situations:
>>> [image: 2019-01-21 10_52_54-Window-min.jpg]
>>>
>>> Just split this way (do not map it as one segment), and you will avoid
>>> to get flagged.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Nemanja
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 8:51 AM Horea Meleg 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> As we informed you two weeks ago we started working on Australia
>>>> editing in Canberra, Perth and Melbourne.
>>>>
>>>> If you’re curious in what we did, you can find our changesets using
>>>> these links:
>>>>
>>>> AUS ALL
>>>> https://osmcha.mapbox.com/filters?aoi=22638c89-517b-45b7-889a-749a6d99ffa9
>>>>
>>>> AUS Flagged only
>>>> https://osmcha.mapbox.com/filters?aoi=9a2c90a1-6a45-4bb9-b52b-6f64b99e1cb5
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you have any questions, feel free to ask us.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Horea
>>>>
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Re: [talk-au] Our work in last two weeks

[Marc Gemis]

Why does a split make any difference ? Is this a "special" feature of the
QA-tool you are using ?
The QA tool should understand that the sharp U-turn is not the only route
one can follow.

m.

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 10:58 AM Nemanja Bračko  wrote:

> Hi!
>
> You've been flagged as "Impossible angle in highway" many times because of
> these situations:
> [image: 2019-01-21 10_52_54-Window-min.jpg]
>
> Just split this way (do not map it as one segment), and you will avoid to
> get flagged.
>
> Best Regards,
> Nemanja
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 8:51 AM Horea Meleg 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> As we informed you two weeks ago we started working on Australia editing
>> in Canberra, Perth and Melbourne.
>>
>> If you’re curious in what we did, you can find our changesets using these
>> links:
>>
>> AUS ALL
>> https://osmcha.mapbox.com/filters?aoi=22638c89-517b-45b7-889a-749a6d99ffa9
>>
>> AUS Flagged only
>> https://osmcha.mapbox.com/filters?aoi=9a2c90a1-6a45-4bb9-b52b-6f64b99e1cb5
>>
>>
>>
>> If you have any questions, feel free to ask us.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Horea
>>
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Re: [talk-au] Fwd: Editing road geometry Australia

[Marc Gemis]

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 10:53 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Also using the tag lanes how can the turn restrictions that exist be tagged, 
> the right 2 must turn right and the left 2 must go straight on ?
>

A combination of turn:lanes (through|through|right|right) and
change:lanes (yes|only_left|only_right|yes) and lanes=4 before the
split and lanes=2 on both ways after the split, should be enough.

AFAIK routers do not handle the change:lanes at this moment, but do a
good job based on the turn:lanes.

regards

m.

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Re: [talk-au] Use of AIS message as input to OSM

[Marc Gemis]

AFAIK, OpenSeaMap is dedicated rendering based on the same
OpenStreetMap database as the map of e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org
The OpenSeaMap project also defines certain tags that are only used
for navigation on water. See [1] for more info on how it works.

So on one hand they are already combined (use the same database), but
they are also separate (OpenSeaMap provides their own rendering of the
data).

regards

m.

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenSeaMap

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 7:17 AM Arthur Geeson  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I would like to use the position data received from Automatic Identification 
> System (AIS) messages that are used for navigational aids for marine ships to 
> plot the position of these piles on the OSM but I am not sure if this would 
> be copy right information?
>
> Perhaps we could have a 'source - AIS' ?
>
> Looking at the OSM wiki I find that there is a 'man_made - beacon' tag.  
> Further searching I find there is an OpenSeaMap.  I am not sure why we would 
> need OpenStreetMap and OpenSeaMap should these not be combined? However if 
> they are separate so be it.  It would seem that OpenSeaMap has a number of 
> suitable icons but I was not able to search it.  Basically AIS does not seem 
> to be supported on either of the maps.
>
> MarineTraffic.com uses the OpenStreetMap to display the positions of many 
> thousands of ships around the world based on AIS input.
>
> Is anyone able to help?
>
> Thanks - Arthur
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[talk-au] Sotm 2018 talk by Microsoft on OSM Australia

[Marc Gemis]

Microsoft gave talk on how they use OSM data in their Bing maps
product at SOTM 2018 the past weekend. See
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q602O9VGy3A (starts around minute 32)

They stressed a few times how great the Australian community is.

The video's will be cut in individual presentations later on I have heard.

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Re: [talk-au] Mapping houses and addresses in Sydney

[Marc Gemis]

Both Andrew and the wiki say that you can only use ESRI World Imagery
(aka World Imagery map). You are not allowed to use anything else from
Esri.

m

On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 7:38 AM,   wrote:
> From: Andrew Harvey 
> Sent: Monday, 4 June 2018 05:13
> To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Mapping houses and addresses in Sydney
>
>
>
> What do you mean by "ESRI as a base map" do you mean the "ESRI World
> Imagery" available in ID and JOSM? ESRI's map layers are not allowed, just
> like Google Maps or Google Street View which must not be used as we don't
> have the copyright permissions to use these.
>
>
>
>
>
> That statement does not seem to match the information on the wiki?
>
>
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Esri#Legal_permissions
>
>
>
> Using Esri imagery in editors
>
> The easiest way to do this is to select the “Esri satellite imagery” layer
> as an option in either iD or JOSM.
>
> Legal permissions
>
> Esri and its imagery contributors grant Users the non-exclusive right to use
> the World Imagery map to trace features and validate edits in the creation
> of vector data. Users that create vector data from the World Imagery map may
> want to publicly share that vector data through a GIS data clearinghouse of
> its own or through another open data site. This public sharing could be
> achieved through ArcGIS Open Data or the OpenStreetMap (OSM) Initiative. For
> ArcGIS users that want to contribute such vector data to OSM, Esri provides
> applications and services directly accessible from ArcGIS platform. Users
> acknowledge that any vector data contributed to OSM is then governed by and
> released under the OpenStreetMap License (e.g. ODbL).
>
> Except for the additional limited rights granted above, any and all other
> uses of the World Imagery map remain subject to the terms and conditions set
> forth in the Esri Master Agreement or Terms of Use, as applicable. Esri and
> its imagery contributors retain all right, title, and interest in and to
> their respective imagery data contributed to the World Imagery map. (source)
>
> Attribution should be in either source=Esri or imagery_used=Esri tags on a
> changeset.
>
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Re: [talk-au] Canberra Contact

[Marc Gemis]

I guess this is the same person that started the thread
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=62047 on the forum.
Andrew was so kind to give some feedback there. He invited the person
to join this mailing list.

regards

m

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:24 AM, Alex Sims  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I’ve been approached by email from an ACT Government public servant wanting a 
> contact to discuss sharing (Canberra) data with OSM. Is there a Canberra/ACT 
> based mapper who would like to take this on? (I’m in Adelaide)
>
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Re: [talk-au] How do I map left only turning lanes on a motorway?

[Marc Gemis]

One could use change:lanes to indicate that one cannot change lanes
over during those 200m.
Unfortunately no data consumer understands this tag yet.

As for the exact position of the split, there are several opinions, as
one can see from the comments on this [1] diary entry.
AFAIK, Belgium,The Netherlands and Germany, split at the physical divider.

regards

m


[1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/daniel-j-h/diary/43148

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 11:09 AM, cleary  wrote:
>
> I am no expert on mapping lanes and I defer to those with better knowledge.
> However common sense suggests to me that vehicles are able to move between
> lanes, whether into other lanes for vehicles travelling in the same
> direction or overtaking in a lane normally used for traffic in the oppisite
> direction.
>
> However if it is not possible or permissible for traffic to move into a
> nearby way, then I think it is a separate way, not a lane. I mapped one
> location in suburban Sydney where the left lane was for traffic turning left
> a couple of hundred metres further along, but traffic was not permitted to
> change in that last 200 metres. The left lane traffic had to turn left while
> other lanes could not move into the left lane or vice versa. I think it
> correct to map a separate way for that 200m.
>
> The most extreme example I know is on the Sydney Harbour Bridge where the
> most eastern lanes are physically separated from other lanes for a couple of
> kilometres and they are signposted with different names Cahill Expressway
> and Bradfield Highway. They may be physically adjacent but there is no
> crossover except one place for buses in the buses-only lane. It would only
> confuse people if the two ways were merged and regarded as lanes of the same
> way.
>
> I don't know the road about which this discussion started but, if not
> possible to change lanes, then I think it is correctly mapped as a separate
> way. If it is possible to change lanes, then they would be correctly mapped
> as lanes.
>
> I would say that physical proximity is not the determining characteristic.
> However I defer to those with better knowledge, if they hold a different
> view.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018, at 8:20 PM, Joel H. wrote:
>
> Hey everyone scrap that last message, I found out myself it has to be
>
> turn:lanes=slight_left|left;through
>
>
> On 29/01/18 17:02, David Dean wrote:
>
> Hi Joel,
>
> I believe that that example is not mapped correctly, as the turning lane
> should only become a separate way when it reaches an actually, physical
> separation. While it is just a turning lane, it should just be indicated by
> lane tagging on the main way.
>
> I'd move the separation up to the physical separation, and map the turning
> lane information on the main way.
>
> We have a few of those in the Brisbane area where intersections are overly
> complicated because an early (no longer active) mapper really liked mapping
> turning lanes as separate ways, and not all have been fixed.
>
> - David
>
> On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 at 16:59 Joel H. <95.5.ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello, I'm adding lane data to the Inner City Bypass in Brisbane.
>
> In this spot here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/23615424 there is 3
> lanes, however the left turn only lane is already mapped as a separate
> motorway link. My intention is to add turning lane data to this part of
> the ICB.
>
> Should I map this third left lane on the ICB and move the linking lane
> closer to the turn off. Or should these lanes be as separate roads, as
> it is now with the linking lane having 1 lane and the ICB having 2.
>
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Re: [talk-au] correct mapping of overtaking lanes

[Marc Gemis]

possible tags:

lanes, lanes:forward, lanes:backward, change:lanes:forward,
change:lanes:backward

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:lanes
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/change

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 8:11 AM,   wrote:
> Can someone point me to some examples of the correct method of mapping
> overtaking lanes on country highways?
>
>
>
> I need examples for where it is both permissible and not permissible for the
> contrary direction to use the overtaking lane.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Ian
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Re: [talk-au] RSL clubs?

[Marc Gemis]

> Unfortunately, the club tag still doesn't render, although it does at least
> display the name.


FYI Nominatim recognizes the club tag, so searching for clubs is possible

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[talk-au] Mapper of the Month

[Marc Gemis]

Hallo,

I'm escada, one of the people behind the "Mapper of the Month" interviews [1].
I've already tried to get an Australian mapper in the series, but the
people that I contacted preferred to stay anonymous, which is
perfectly fine for me.

So, if you want to participate or know someone with an interesting
mapping story,
feel free to contact me via a private message

thanks in advance

regards

m

[1] 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Belgian_Mapper_of_the_Month

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Re: [talk-au] Mobile phone towers

[Marc Gemis]

You could add the operator tag to indicate the owner.

regards

m

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 7:24 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick
 wrote:
> Hi
>
> Just putting a nearby newish mobile tower on the map.
>
> Due we worry about naming who's tower it is?
>
> Couldn't see anything in the wiki about it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] Changing speed limits

[Marc Gemis]

AFAIK a split is handled correctly in  JOSM, but you have to be
careful when you merge 2 way segments as you advice. Besides making
sure that the tags are the same on both segments, you should also
check whether the relations are the same.

m.

> If there is a route relation on the way, I find using JOSM a bit
> easier to manage relations than iD (default web editor). I assumed
> that JOSM and iD would apply the relation to the new section after the
> split so you shouldn't need to do anything special, but you might want
> to double check this.
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[talk-au] help site - Australian topic - unincorporated areas

[Marc Gemis]

Hallo

on the help site, there is someone looking for help with
unincorparated areas in Australia. I referred him to the discussion on
the mailing list from December & January, but it might be helpful if
someone from Australia could join the discussion.

The topic can be found under
https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/55136/how-to-tag-an-unincorporated-area-within-a-town

regards

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Re: [talk-au] Advice on Tags in a Hamlet

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On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 5:29 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For Australia .. most people think of the 'centre' as the post office, in
> Europe it would be the train station.

You can add churches for villages where there is no train station.

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Re: [talk-au] Advice on Tags in a Hamlet

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On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 1:01 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Placing of the hamlet (or other place) names is always fuzzy. Where it is
> now renders well on the map, if you place it centrally that may overwrite
> other objects - cluttering the map.

That looks like mapping for the renderer. imho, the node should be
placed near the location where you want to be guided to when you
specify the hamlet without street name in a navigation system. i.e.
not only you, but "most" people.

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Re: [talk-au] Wikidata IDs in OSM

[Marc Gemis]

I guess you are aware that one of the recent updates of iD adds the
wikidata code when you add the wikipedia page ?
The feature is described in https://www.mapbox.com/blog/id-wikidata/
This makes it rather easy to add both tag.
It will also search for the wikipedia page when you start typing the
wikipedia page name

regards

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>> Secondly, we have had success in using a bot to add IDs automatically,
>> but the bot approval list requires local agreement. How would you feel
>> about us, or one of you (I think the code can be shared), doing so for
>> all of Australia, or on a state-by-state (or other division) basis?
>
> Interesting, I recently had a go at adding Wikidata IDs into OSM for
> some features in Australia, but I quickly gave up on the manual
> process.
>
> I'm keen an an automated/semi-automated approach, but of course it
> would be important that any automated process didn't overwrite
> existing wikidata keys (but maybe reported them for follow up if they
> are in conflict).
>
> Interested in what others here think.
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Re: [talk-au] Mount Warren Park Edits

[Marc Gemis]

did you try to contact the user via a changeset comment ?

m

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Peter Watson  wrote:
> Most of the area of Beenleigh has had the Relations destroyed in this
> changeset
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/40380680#map=14/-27.7311/153.2197
> This is my backyard. I am extremely upset about this, There was nothing
> wrong in this area apart from some more addresses need adding. Now most of
> the residential areas are broken, as well as the river relations. This user
> uses Potlatch which doesn't show existing relations.
>
> Peter W34
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Re: [talk-au] place town subject and Download

[Marc Gemis]

with this query, you immediately have a CSV file as output.

Use this  http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/gdp

or copy the query below to http://overpass-turbo.eu/



[out:csv (name, population)][timeout:25];
// gather results
(
  // query part for: “place=town”
  node["place"="town"]({{bbox}});
  way["place"="town"]({{bbox}});
  relation["place"="town"]({{bbox}});
);
// print results
out body;
>;
out skel qt;

see 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_API/Overpass_QL#Output_Format_.28out.29
for more options on the CSV output

You can make the timeout longer in case you want to cover a larger area.

regards

m

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 4:48 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/14/2016 11:30 AM, Simon Slater wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 13 May 2016 07:11:39 PM Warin wrote:
>> 2 things:
>> First, I may have mussed up the threading here but the subject of Warin's
>> last
>> thread looked like "ￜￜￜￜ...".  My e-mail client has been playing
>> silly-buggers lately, so was this the intended subject or just my client?
>
>
> Yer... I think that is the use of ? and/or = characters that much up these
> email clients. Sorry about that, did not realise.
>
>>
>>> I have gotten some 1,400 'towns from the OSM data base ..
>>
>> Second, how does one extract data like this from the OSM database?  Is
>> there a
>> wikipage or other guide?
>
>
> I am using JOSM -
>
> file - Download from Overpass API
> Build query ... enter 'place=town' in the box on the right then  click on
> the 'Build query' and that gets the Overpass query built blow your entry.
> Then select the area .. if you make this too large it will time out.
> Download...
>
> This gets you it into JOSM .. then save as to get a .osm file and I then use
> a small script to extract the name and population from that file into a .csv
> file.
>
> I just followed my nose to get here.
>
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Re: [talk-au] Routing instructions

[Marc Gemis]

Did you try the same route on openstreetmap.org ? Can you provide a
link to that route ? (of course without providing your home address)

regards

m

On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 3:15 AM, Simon Slater  wrote:
> G'day all
> We had a possible deviation to our standard rounds today and 
> thought
> I'd check for a shorter way to get us back on track.  We use Marble for this
> sort of thing, which, in turn, uses OSM.  One of the routing instructions is:
>
> 
> Drive null onto bMurray Valley Highway,
> B400/b
> 
> 
> 0
> 
> 
>
> The usual green arrow in the route instructions has been replaced with a blue
> 'i' information symbol.
>
> I have never seen this before at this location.  Would this be 
> something
> in the OSM tags at this location that I could correct, or is it in how Marble
> is reading the tags?
>
> Hooroo
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Re: [talk-au] LPI Base Map - green areas ?

[Marc Gemis]

What about landuse=basin ? [1]
Or natural=water, water=reservoir [2]
or landuse = reservoir, reservoir_type=water_storage [3]


[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dbasin
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:water
[3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dreservoir

regards

m

On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 15/01/2016 2:19 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote:
>
> Looking at the old Parish map it would appear that it used to be part of the
> State Forest until they built the Mangrove Creek Dam at which point it
> became reserved for water conservation purposes.
>
> That makes sense.
>
> I suppose you could tag it:
>
>  boundary=protected_area
>  protect_class=12
>
> Not sure what name you'd give it because the map just says "FOR WATER
> SUPPLY".
>
>
> landuse=water_catchment would probably be best (another new tag that I just
> made up). It cannot be logged. And in some places at least the water people
> don't even want walkers, let alone campers there. I think part of the Blue
> Mountains National Park has restrictions like this around a water catchment
> area. I think Hong Kong has areas for water catchment that are paved to
> increase the run off/harvest. So there is a vast verity in what water
> catchments physically are.
>
> As I don't know what name it has .. it could be anything ... 'McPherson
> Water Catchment' or 'Mangrove Creek Water Catchment' ... arrr
> https://www.wyong.nsw.gov.au/getmedia/7ca695e8-748d-4bca-beba-3b7bff8296e4/Mangrove-Creek-Dam-Brochure.pdf.aspx
> says 'Mangrove Creek Dam Catchment' .. so I'll go with that. No copyright on
> the pdf... :-)
> It does say access is restricted.. but not what the restrictions are.
>
> -
> For those also using the LPI base Map to plot State Forests ... be carefull.
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From:
> "Warin" <61sundow...@gmail.com>
>
> To:
> "talk-au" 
> Cc:
>
> Sent:
> Fri, 15 Jan 2016 10:58:49 +1100
> Subject:
> [talk-au] LPI Base Map - green areas ?
>
>
> Hi,
>
> On the LPI base map green areas apear at first to be
> National Parks - a darker green area that is visible at all zooms.
> State Forests - lighter green, visible when zoomed in.
>
> I have mapped out the McPherson State Forest boundary using the LPI base
> map. Fine (apart from a typo in the name!). Relationship 5748137.
>
> However when I use the 'Administration Boundaries State Forests' the
> northern section I have plotted does not look to be a State Forest.
>
> So what is this green area on the LPI base map .. when it is not a State
> Forest?
> I have mapped some as parks as shown by their name. And I found one
> where I know it as a 'common'.
>
> Maybe they are "miscellaneous crown lands"?
>
> I'll reduce the relationship 5748137 to match the smaller admin boundary.
> But what to do with the other green bit from the base map? I can leave
> it behind with a note .. and no other tags. Would be usefull if someone
> comes across it and knows what it is.
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Re: [talk-au] Translink Bus Stops - South East Queensland

[Marc Gemis]

Hallo,

In Belgium we also did an import of all bus stops during the past
months [1]. However, we did notice that several bus stops were in a
different location [2], up to 650 meters from where the public
transport company thought they were. I don't know the quality of this
data set, but it is still worth checking out the real position in the
field.

regards
m

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/De_Lijndata
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Bus_stops

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:30 AM, Jason Ward  wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> Imports are tough but I'd still be adding bus stops as you have been.  If or
> when the import occurs it would deal with existing stops in a logical way so
> the work individuals have done will not be wasted.  It would in fact be
> treated with a higher level of trust in the context of the TMR provided
> dataset so there is continued value in adding and updating bus stops.
>
> On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 at 13:17 David Findlay  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I think for now preparing the import is beyond me. I guess for now don't
>> bother adding or updating bus stops? Thanks,
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:03 PM Jason Ward  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> We have permission.  If there are able resources with the know-how then a
>>> page for a State-wide import already exists.  Its current status is that it
>>> hasn't been presented to the @imports list yet but it is quite close (If
>>> you're importing en-masse then it needs to go through this process).  Please
>>> review the page below [1] and if this is something you are able to continue
>>> with then I suggest following on from there.
>>>
>>> I no longer contribute to the project other than being on this list now
>>> so you're free to chop, change or start again but explicit permission has
>>> been granted for this dataset [2].  If you need access to the Github
>>> repository which is where the raw, transformed and osm files are kept [3]
>>> then ping me on that platform and I'll provide full access (or you can just
>>> fork/branch it).
>>>
>>> [1] -
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/Queensland_GTFS_Data
>>> [2] -
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/qld.data.gov.au_explicit_permission
>>> [3] - https://github.com/systemtester/QLD-GTFS-Data-Imports
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 at 10:22 FlashKiwi  wrote:

 I will follow up with translink and confirm licencing.

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[talk-au] (no subject)

[Marc Gemis]

Hallo,

It seems like some Australian mapper (stweb) [1] is reaching out for
help on the forum [2]. One of his complaints is the number of nodes
used to trace lakes, beaches, etc. He did several "simplifications" in
his last changesets [3]. I don't know how the Australian community
thinks about this.

Perhaps it is worthwhile to reach out to him.


regards

m
(from Belgium)




[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/stweb
[2] http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=566043#p566043
[3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/stweb/history#map=6/-33.591/151.597

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Re: [talk-au] Railways

[Marc Gemis]

According to  the legend of http://www.openrailwaymap.org/ , both disused
and abandoned railways are a rendered (in different styles)

regards

m

On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Leon Kernan lker...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 I've recently noticed a tenancy for people to tag railways as disused,
 even when all traces have been gone for decades.
 This is probably because railway=abandoned has been removed from the
 rendering on openstreetmap.org (to try and stop people tagging abandoned
 railways..)

 Just a reminder to all that railway=abandoned is still the correct tag for
 a track that doesn't exist anymore.
 railway=disused is only for tracks that are still in place and able to be
 used (at least in theory).

 Has anyone seen a site that renders historical or current railway lines so
 I can direct people there to see their work rendered?



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Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 89, Issue 2 - Railways (Marc Gemis)

[Marc Gemis]

Hallo Tim,

Two confessions, I'm not an Australian, but a Belgian lurking on your
mailing list and I'm not into railway mapping. I just knew about this
website.
IMHO, what is useful is up to the individual mapper to decide. Here in
Belgium similar situations as you describe, are all mapped with abandoned
it seems. After all, they are still recognizable landscape features in an
otherwise rather flat country. So I would say, just map them.

regards

m

On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 11:10 PM, NeyFamily neyfami...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Marc,

 In the Mackay area, North Queensland, we are a variety of railways
 particularly to the west of the city.  There is the main North Coast
 Railway, tag as normal for a fully operational railway, than there is
 railway=disused.  Tracks are still there but no longer used heading
 directly west of city, tagged railway=disused, we also have
 railway=narrow_guage for cane lines to ensure differentiation between heavy
 and light loco's.  Further west, there is clear evidence of the original
 track beds and bridges (no tracks) still in place, but now party absorbed
 into private property.  I have not plotted any of these beds because its
 possibly just superfluous now, as it will never be reinstated.

 Is this the sort of rendering, tagging that may be useful?  Username:
 Mackay Mapper  (I am mapping exclusively in central and northern
 queensland, as I operate across a large area as part of my job and do most
 mapping by survey methods)



 Kind Regards,

 Tim Ney
 Senior Surveyor

 Mobile 0448095589



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 Hi all,
 I've recently noticed a tenancy for people to tag railways as disused,
 even when all traces have been gone for decades.
 This is probably because railway=abandoned has been removed from the
 rendering on openstreetmap.org (to try and stop people tagging abandoned
 railways..)

 Just a reminder to all that railway=abandoned is still the correct tag for
 a track that doesn't exist anymore.
 railway=disused is only for tracks that are still in place and able to be
 used (at least in theory).

 Has anyone seen a site that renders historical or current railway lines so
 I can direct people there to see their work rendered?
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 According to  the legend of http://www.openrailwaymap.org/ , both disused
 and abandoned railways are a rendered (in different styles)

 regards

 m

 On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Leon Kernan lker...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi all,
  I've recently noticed a tenancy for people to tag railways as disused,
  even when all traces have been gone for decades.
  This is probably because railway=abandoned has been removed from the
  rendering on openstreetmap.org (to try and stop people tagging
  abandoned
  railways..)
 
  Just a reminder to all that railway=abandoned is still the correct tag
  for a track that doesn't exist anymore.
  railway=disused is only for tracks that are still in place and able to
  be used (at least in theory).
 
  Has anyone seen a site that renders historical or current railway
  lines so I can direct people there to see their work rendered?
 
 
 
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