[talk-au] A problem area (maybe) for the someone in Canberra

2010-03-15 Thread Sean
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G'day All

I was testing map a that was made for the TwoNav Aventura GPS.  While I
was looking around the map I come across this
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-35.2394&lon=149.19164&zoom=16&layers=B000FTF
 I don't really like playing around in someone else backyard.  I leave
it to someone in Canberra who is familiar with the area to fix up if it
needs to be.

Sean
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Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2010-02-12 Thread Sean
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I did that about 2 weeks ago.  I didn't have any problems turning it
into a shape file.

John Smith wrote:

> There is a script that turns coastlines into shape files, I wonder
> what sort of error messages it spits out...
> 
> Alternatively we could pull all the coastline ways from one of the
> XAPI servers and then try to build some code to check everything is
> right.
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Re: [talk-au] Duplicate node finder

2010-02-09 Thread Sean
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Well everything outside Brisbane in QLD has been done now.  I'll let
someone else do Brisbane and the Gold Coast.

John Smith wrote:
> SteveC just did a webcast on a new map rendering Matt has come up with
> to show duplicate nodes:
> 
> http://www.opengeodata.org/2010/02/08/screencast-on-how-to-remove-duplicate-node-in-openstreetmap/
> 
> What he didn't bother to put in the post was the web address:
> 
> http://matt.dev.openstreetmap.org/dupe_nodes/
> 
> Although he points it out in the webcast you still can't just click on an 
> image.
> 
> Australia has very few duplicate nodes.
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Re: [talk-au] re Coastline rendering in Garmins Mapsource

2010-02-03 Thread Sean Williams
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Not only have they created sea polygons but they have turned the land
into polygons also.  The only way to do it.

John Kitchener wrote:
> Seems Openmtbmap has recently got 'sea polygons' organized. :)
> 
> Here is a Mapsource Noosa view. It's not 100% for the entire coastline, but
> it's pretty damn good.
> 
> http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/6421/noosamtb.jpg
> 
> Regards
> 
> John k
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Re: [talk-au] Question about lanes

2010-01-21 Thread Sean Williams
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I tag the same way as John does.

Sean

John Henderson wrote:

> If the road is two-way traffic (you can drive in either direction), I 
> use the lanes tag only if the number of lanes is greater than two.
> 
> If the road has one-way traffic, I use the lanes tag for each way, but 
> only if the number of lanes in that direction is greater than one.
> 
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[talk-au] Show Ground Tag

2009-11-14 Thread Sean
G'Day All

I was just marking the show grounds here in Rockhampton but I'm not
quite sure what tag to use.  I've had a look at the tags on the OSM Wiki
under landuse, Amenity and Leisure and nothing seems to be the right
tag.  I even had a look under the Australian tagging guidelines.  I
looked up to see what tag used for the exhibition grounds in Brisbane.
It's been tagged landuse=commercial.  Hmmmye but I still don't
think it's the right tag.  Is the above tag the right one?  If not what
is the right tag?


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Re: [talk-au] How to map out streets the most efficently

2009-06-17 Thread Sean
This is what I do.  I use paper maps to plan my route.  I also take them
with me so I stay on that route or to make changes to my route.  I also
use the maps on the GPS and the track log.  As you driving around the
track log shows on screen so I know what streets I've done.  I use a PDA
to voice record the street names and spelling.  When at home I load the
track log into Google Earth to see if I have missed any streets.  If so
I will plan it into my route next time.  One of the most important
things I do is turn off "Follow Road" in the track log setting otherwise
my tack log WILL NOT BE ACCURATE.


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> --- On Wed, 17/6/09, James Livingston  wrote:
> 
>> There's a nice mathematical algorithm for figuring out
>> that. All you  
>> need for it is a complete map of the area ;)
> 
> Jokes aside, just because we can't directly copy from other maps doesn't mean 
> we can't use them to figure this stuff out, but unfortunately I still don't 
> know of a source of such data :(
> 
> Someone somewhere has probably done something with a google mash up, and I 
> know UPS in the US gives that sort of data out to emergency services to 
> reduce trip times. When they started doing this sort of thing they saved so 
> many tens of millions of dollars on fuel, than again in the US you can turn 
> right on red lights except if otherwise signed.
> 
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Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?

2008-12-17 Thread Sean
Sam Couter sam-at-couter.id.au |OSM list| wrote:
> Sean <4ey0ll...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>   
>> I never said I was mapping for a particular program or device.  Garmin 
>> was just an example.  I'm mapping for all programs and devices.  As all 
>> programs or devices can  render a loop way it just makes more since to 
>> do it that way.
>> 
>
> I don't know of any devices that consume OSM data without some kind of
> conversion process. That conversion process is the only way to relate
> OSM data to a particular device. So the representation of data in the
> OSM database really doesn't matter to any end devices, only to the
> conversion.
>
>   
How do you know we are not representing the data that makes it hard to 
convert to be use in other formats?  If you think about it why do we 
show larger roundabouts as ways if they can't be easily be converted and 
used in other formats.  Because ways can be easily converted even if the 
program or device can or can't understand that ways roundabout tag.  The 
program or device will still display the way as a roundabout that the 
user will still understand what it is even if the roundabout tag is removed.
> It's relatively easy for a converter to take, for example, a node tagged
> mini_roundabout and substitute a small circular way if that makes sense
> for the destination device/format. It's very difficult (call it
> impossible) to go back the other way for a device that does actually
> understand what a roundabout is.
>
>   
I'm not a programmer or script writer so I can't really answer this 
question.  If the guys that write the Garmin program/scripts converters 
are anything to go by then they seem to be having trouble converting a 
tagged roundabout node.  As you said "It's relatively easy" to do then, 
could you please supply the code or tell them how to do it.  I'm sure it 
would be greatly appreciated.
> What you are advocating removes a tag that means something, whatever
> that is defined to mean, and replaces it with something that means
> nothing in the best case, and is confusing (to the device, hopefully not
> the human operator, but then hopefully they're driving, not looking at
> the device) in the worst case. It's nearly always best to keep as much
> meaning as possible in source data.
>   
I'm not advocating the removal of any tags.  I'm advocating that all 
roundabouts no matter on size be drawn as a way and be tagged as 
"juction=roundabout".

Sean

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Re: [talk-au] roundabouts

2008-12-14 Thread Sean
Is this the intersection you are talking about?  It's in Griffith right?

http://www.lizarddrinking.net/images/OSM.JPG

If it is, it's still a loop way as you can see in the pics.  Maybe the 
text you saw was where the roundabout way joins up to the Hillam Drive 
way.  To get a screen shots of your GPS you will have to use a program 
called xImage.  You can download it from Garmin's website 
http://www8.garmin.com/support/agree.jsp?id=545  I believe this program 
may not work with the Nuvi's but give it try.  Should work with all 
other Garmin GPS's.

Sean

Liz edodd-at-billiau.net |OSM list| wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008, Sean wrote:
>   
>>   Quote "Fiddling with my Garmin sat-nav I suspect
>> that it supports a "roundabout on
>> a node" tag.".  Could you please explain this point a bit more.  Going
>> through all the docs I have on the Garmin format I can't find any
>> support for a roundabout on a node.
>> 
>
> I've got one on a City Navigator map which look s as if it is a roundabout on 
> a node.
> I tried to take its picture on the sat-nav but failed.
> The cross streets are Brook Street and Hillam Street and if you set the arrow 
> on the roundabout its marked Hillam Street in one box and Roundabout in 
> another text box.
> The other roundabouts have the two street names in the text boxes.
> That made me wonder about just what might be on the map at that point.
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Re: [talk-au] roundabouts

2008-12-14 Thread Sean
G'Day Liz

Well I just skim read you document.  The design or how they are made, 
how they differ from other countries etc, just doesn't interest me 
sorry.  The only thing that interest me about roundabouts is

1)  What the law says about how I should enter or exit a roundabout when 
I'm driving.
2)  Where they are.
3)  What exit I need to take to get to my destination.

I'm sorry but that's me.  I did see one point that did interest me in 
your Opinions section.  Quote "Fiddling with my Garmin sat-nav I suspect 
that it supports a "roundabout on
a node" tag.".  Could you please explain this point a bit more.  Going 
through all the docs I have on the Garmin format I can't find any 
support for a roundabout on a node.  Can find support for a roundabout 
on a way.  Even looking at Garmin official maps like City Navigator, all 
roundabouts are drawn as loop ways.

Sean

Liz edodd-at-billiau.net |OSM list| wrote:
> "Not again" they all groan
>
> this is today's version of my review 
> you have to read to the end to get my opinion and conclusions
>
> http://billiau.net/~liz/osm/roundabouts.pdf
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> i may get more info and edit it further so it is not going to wiki at the 
> moment
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Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?

2008-12-14 Thread Sean
G'Day Cameron

I never said I was mapping for a particular program or device.  Garmin 
was just an example.  I'm mapping for all programs and devices.  As all 
programs or devices can  render a loop way it just makes more since to 
do it that way.  It doesn't matter what the tagging is or if it is 
removed.  Any tom, dick or harry that uses that data knows straight way 
where the roundabout are don't they.  In the case of Garmin GPS's they 
only support roundabouts as a way and not as a point.  Pretty hard to 
edit a script if that's the case isn't.

Sean




Cameron osm-mailing-lists-at-justcameron.com |OSM list| wrote:
> Sean,
>
> We should not map for a renderer or for a particular use case. If 
> scripts which convert osm data to the garmin data format lose the 
> roundabout information, then the script should be edited to add a 
> roundabout when it encounters the mini_roundabout tag.
>
> ~Cameron
>
> 2008/12/13 Sean <4ey0ll...@sneakemail.com 
> <mailto:4ey0ll...@sneakemail.com>>
>
> I've read through all the post on this discussion so far and I totally
> agree with Darrin.  I also think all roundabouts including ones
> paint on
> the road should be drawn as a loop way.  I see the discussion has been
> about trying to define what a roundabout is.  But no one has thought
> about the end products that this data can be used for.  There are many
> programs and devices out on the market that when the OSM data is
> converted into a format that that the program or device can use, that
> the mini_roundabout tag is lost while being converted.  It basically
> turns that intersection into a four way intersection and you have no
> idea that there is a roundabout at that intersection.  A really good
> example is all Garmin mapping GPS.  All roundabouts HAVE TO be
> drawn as
> a loop way to show up on the Garmin GPS.  I can't be 100% sure but I
> would this would be true for most mapping GPS's.  So what I'm
> sayings is
> you are better to draw a loop way for ALL roundabouts so that if
> the tag
> is lost while being converted to another format or load into another
> program, any Tom, Dick or Harry can still tell there is still a
> roundabout at that intersection.
>
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Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?

2008-12-12 Thread Sean
I've read through all the post on this discussion so far and I totally 
agree with Darrin.  I also think all roundabouts including ones paint on 
the road should be drawn as a loop way.  I see the discussion has been 
about trying to define what a roundabout is.  But no one has thought 
about the end products that this data can be used for.  There are many 
programs and devices out on the market that when the OSM data is 
converted into a format that that the program or device can use, that 
the mini_roundabout tag is lost while being converted.  It basically 
turns that intersection into a four way intersection and you have no 
idea that there is a roundabout at that intersection.  A really good 
example is all Garmin mapping GPS.  All roundabouts HAVE TO be drawn as 
a loop way to show up on the Garmin GPS.  I can't be 100% sure but I 
would this would be true for most mapping GPS's.  So what I'm sayings is 
you are better to draw a loop way for ALL roundabouts so that if the tag 
is lost while being converted to another format or load into another 
program, any Tom, Dick or Harry can still tell there is still a 
roundabout at that intersection.

Sean

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Re: [talk-au] Routable OSM Garmin maps

2008-12-11 Thread Sean
G'Day Matt

Try cutting the VIC and NSW maps up and making them smaller then 8meg.  
When I was making Contours Australia I had problems with rendering and 
Mapsource crashing when the maps were over 8meg.  Making them smaller 
was the fix.

Sean

Matt White mattwhite-at-iinet.com.au |OSM list| wrote:
> I have rebuilt them off last nights OSM file, using newer versions of 
> the various packages to generate them. Hopefully, they will be slightly 
> improved...
>
> Let me know how it turns out - I'm about to give them a go on the 60CSx.
>
> Matt
>
> Nick Hocking wrote:
>   
>> Matt,
>>  
>> I've just tried out freshly dowloaded versions of your NSW and VIC 
>> maps (dec 09)
>>  
>> The VIC map loads just fine and looks great but like the NSW one it is 
>> unroutable on the Nuvi 260.
>> Also like the NSW ones, I can search for POIs but not for street names.
>>  
>> Nick
>> 
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Re: [talk-au] Camping/rest stop POIs

2008-12-05 Thread Sean
Dam it.  I copied the wrong address.  Here's the correct one.  It's just 
to bloody hot here today.

http://www.mainroads.qld.gov.au/web/publicCR.nsf/2911b5cc11cfec994a2569e60005f0b3/c910dc97531bd29a4a2573ae0007613d?OpenDocument

Sean

Sean 4ey0llz02-at-sneakemail.com |OSM list| wrote:
> G'Day Darren
>
> I was just working on some data in the Rockhampton and noticed some new 
> POI.  I just had to delete one.  A camping area POI called "Woolwash 
> Lagoon".  The council has put up sign in the area saying you can't camp 
> there any more.
>
> Anyway QLD Dept of Main Roads has POI database you or someone else might 
> be interested in adding. 
>
> http://www.mainroads.qld.gov.au/web/MRWebHelp.nsf/index/4858B388B6EFF79F4A257352000C5B25?opendocument
>
> Going by the copyright and disclaimer notice it looks like they could be 
> added.
>
>
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> Sean
>
> Darren Osborne darren.osborne-at-mac.com |OSM list| wrote:
>   
>> This week I was clearing through my list of GPX files that I had  
>> recorded over the past 18 months.
>>
>> Amongst them was a zipped folder of POIs I received about a year or  
>> so ago. The data is free from copyright and is associated with a book  
>> about camping.
>>
>> It took some work as they were .wpt files, which had to be  
>> reformatted, converted to GPX and then to OSM/XML format.
>>
>> Needless to say they're all uploaded.
>>
>> However, I have noticed there were a few 'errors' in the data. For  
>> example, rest stops were listed as campgrounds, some co-ords are  
>> slightly out. There has also been a few incidences of duplication.
>>
>> Overall though, I believe it's added to the map, even if there is  
>> some post-upload quality control now needed.
>>
>> Therefore, if in your mapping adventures you notice that one of these  
>> is not correct, please adjust it as you see necessary.
>>
>> If any one else has a copyright free wpt files that they would like  
>> to upload, I'm happy to assist.
>>
>> BTW - There are sets of speed and redlight cameras POI files around.  
>> Have they been uploaded yet?
>>
>> Darren
>>
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Re: [talk-au] Camping/rest stop POIs

2008-12-05 Thread Sean
G'Day Darren

I was just working on some data in the Rockhampton and noticed some new 
POI.  I just had to delete one.  A camping area POI called "Woolwash 
Lagoon".  The council has put up sign in the area saying you can't camp 
there any more.

Anyway QLD Dept of Main Roads has POI database you or someone else might 
be interested in adding. 

http://www.mainroads.qld.gov.au/web/MRWebHelp.nsf/index/4858B388B6EFF79F4A257352000C5B25?opendocument

Going by the copyright and disclaimer notice it looks like they could be 
added.


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exchange of information. However, copyright protects material on this 
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State Government of Queensland. The Queensland Government has no 
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electronically, provided it is for your personal, non-commercial use or 
use within your organisation, the material remains unaltered and the 
State Government of Queensland is recognised as the owner. None of the 
material contained on this website may be reproduced or used for 
commercial purposes without the written permission of the copyright owner.


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Sean

Darren Osborne darren.osborne-at-mac.com |OSM list| wrote:
> This week I was clearing through my list of GPX files that I had  
> recorded over the past 18 months.
>
> Amongst them was a zipped folder of POIs I received about a year or  
> so ago. The data is free from copyright and is associated with a book  
> about camping.
>
> It took some work as they were .wpt files, which had to be  
> reformatted, converted to GPX and then to OSM/XML format.
>
> Needless to say they're all uploaded.
>
> However, I have noticed there were a few 'errors' in the data. For  
> example, rest stops were listed as campgrounds, some co-ords are  
> slightly out. There has also been a few incidences of duplication.
>
> Overall though, I believe it's added to the map, even if there is  
> some post-upload quality control now needed.
>
> Therefore, if in your mapping adventures you notice that one of these  
> is not correct, please adjust it as you see necessary.
>
> If any one else has a copyright free wpt files that they would like  
> to upload, I'm happy to assist.
>
> BTW - There are sets of speed and redlight cameras POI files around.  
> Have they been uploaded yet?
>
> Darren
>
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Re: [talk-au] Road numbers in Garmin

2008-10-22 Thread Sean
G'Day Diego

I see your post has been hijack and gone off in another direction.  It 
should have made as a new thread guys.  Anyway to answer your question 
the answer is yes.  People are adding this data when they map out these 
roads so it is there.  It is just a matter of telling the compiler to 
add it in.  If your making them yourself you will have to give a bit 
more info on how you are making them.  If your downloading them from a 
site just shoot off a email to site owner.  Ask them if they can add 
them in.

Sean


Diego Molla dmollaaliod-at-gmail.com |OSM list| wrote:
> [Some time ago I sent a similar email from a different email address
> and I think it never made it to the group]
>
> In a recent trip I was comparing Shonkymaps and OSM on my Garmin GPSr
> and I saw that Shonkymaps displays a floating icon with the road
> number for major roads. I thought this was cool, and easier to read
> the road numbers. Here'e a screen-shot from the Shonkymaps site:
>
> http://shonkylogic.net/shonkymaps/images/SANY1373.JPG
>
> Does anybody know if this can be done with OSM as well? I looked at
> the documentation on how to render OSM in Garmin but didn't see
> anything about road numbers.
>
> Diego
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Re: [talk-au] Australia.osm.bz2

2008-02-23 Thread Sean
Here's another guy that's making the Australia data available.  Updates 
are weekly and he also converts them to Shape format.

http://www.festy.org/files/OSM/

Liz edodd-at-billiau.net |Open Street Map| wrote:
> If you want a big slice of australia this link gives a subset of planet.osm 
> for australia; updated 6th each month
> http://roland-ramthun.de/osm/extracts/australia/
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