[talk-au] (NSW) Email Update – Changes to permanent speed limits
Thank you all for your comments. I will send off an email later today to see if we can get a higher level of permission, but I agree that planning a survey is not by nature in violation of any license—seeing copyrighted advertising about a new shop does not mean that surveying that shop is in violation of copyright. I will forward any responses to the mailing list if/should I get a reply. Cheers, Luke ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] (NSW) Email Update – Changes to permanent speed limits
Thanks Mateuz, That is helpful. On 16 November 2019 7:27:47 pm AEDT, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: >Note that CC 4.0 is not significantly helpful, without special waiver >it is also incompatible with ODBL >See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/ODbL_Compatibility > >AFAIK: > >(1) planning survey may be done based on even fully copyrighted data >without trouble >(2) data incompatible with ODBL is by definition incompatible with ODBL > >Creating notes based on a copyrighted source sounds OK (I am not a >lawyer!) >as long as people will not use them more than for planning survey. >Note that confirming note to be true is not sufficient. > >I would suggest notes in form >"according to an official source on licence incompatible with OSM there >is a new speed limit here since X" >to ensure that somebody will not copy copyrighted data by accident or >due lack of understanding. > >Or getting needed waiver, what would make data ODBL compatible. > >15 Nov 2019, 21:26 by daviewa...@disroot.org: > >> I have since signed up to the service. >> Clicking on the link in the email takes me to a page on the website, >which is explicitly CC 4.0. I suspect this means it is OK to manually >add a note or FIXME requesting resurvey. >> >> I don't think that should cause trouble with the ODBL, because you're >not importing the data. >> >> (Open to correction here) >> >> Regards, >> David Wales >> >> On 14 November 2019 5:15:07 am AEDT, David Wales > wrote: >> >>> A relevant paragraph from the terms of use: >>> >>> "The Service is intended for personal use only. You must not use it >for business purposes or re-supply the information to others." >>> >>> This seems at odds with the CC 4.0 license which the website itself >is under! >>> >>> I suspect you would need to either track down the original data >source behind the emails, or you would need to contact Transport for >NSW to get permission. >>> >>> Regards, >>> David >>> >>> >>> >>> On 13 November 2019 10:21:58 pm AEDT, Luke Stewart > wrote: >>> In case you were not aware, there is a bi-monthly service from the >NSW government advising when and where new speed limits have been >introduced across the state, allowing us to keep our maxspeeds up to >date. https://www.saferroadsnsw.com.au/emailupdates.aspx I was considering adding a note to the locations that have been >changed each time the email is sent, but would this count as adding >non-copyrighted data, even though it would only request a resurvey? Interested to hear your thoughts, Luke ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] (NSW) Email Update – Changes to permanent speed limits
Note that CC 4.0 is not significantly helpful, without special waiver it is also incompatible with ODBL See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/ODbL_Compatibility AFAIK: (1) planning survey may be done based on even fully copyrighted data without trouble (2) data incompatible with ODBL is by definition incompatible with ODBL Creating notes based on a copyrighted source sounds OK (I am not a lawyer!) as long as people will not use them more than for planning survey. Note that confirming note to be true is not sufficient. I would suggest notes in form "according to an official source on licence incompatible with OSM there is a new speed limit here since X" to ensure that somebody will not copy copyrighted data by accident or due lack of understanding. Or getting needed waiver, what would make data ODBL compatible. 15 Nov 2019, 21:26 by daviewa...@disroot.org: > I have since signed up to the service. > Clicking on the link in the email takes me to a page on the website, which is > explicitly CC 4.0. I suspect this means it is OK to manually add a note or > FIXME requesting resurvey. > > I don't think that should cause trouble with the ODBL, because you're not > importing the data. > > (Open to correction here) > > Regards, > David Wales > > On 14 November 2019 5:15:07 am AEDT, David Wales > wrote: > >> A relevant paragraph from the terms of use: >> >> "The Service is intended for personal use only. You must not use it for >> business purposes or re-supply the information to others." >> >> This seems at odds with the CC 4.0 license which the website itself is under! >> >> I suspect you would need to either track down the original data source >> behind the emails, or you would need to contact Transport for NSW to get >> permission. >> >> Regards, >> David >> >> >> >> On 13 November 2019 10:21:58 pm AEDT, Luke Stewart >> wrote: >> >>> In case you were not aware, there is a bi-monthly service from the NSW >>> government advising when and where new speed limits have been introduced >>> across the state, allowing us to keep our maxspeeds up to date. >>> >>> https://www.saferroadsnsw.com.au/emailupdates.aspx >>> >>> I was considering adding a note to the locations that have been changed >>> each time the email is sent, but would this count as adding non-copyrighted >>> data, even though it would only request a resurvey? >>> >>> Interested to hear your thoughts, >>> Luke >>> ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] (NSW) Email Update – Changes to permanent speed limits
I have since signed up to the service. Clicking on the link in the email takes me to a page on the website, which is explicitly CC 4.0. I suspect this means it is OK to manually add a note or FIXME requesting resurvey. I don't think that should cause trouble with the ODBL, because you're not importing the data. (Open to correction here) Regards, David Wales On 14 November 2019 5:15:07 am AEDT, David Wales wrote: >A relevant paragraph from the terms of use: > >"The Service is intended for personal use only. You must not use it for >business purposes or re-supply the information to others." > >This seems at odds with the CC 4.0 license which the website itself is >under! > >I suspect you would need to either track down the original data source >behind the emails, or you would need to contact Transport for NSW to >get permission. > >Regards, >David > > > >On 13 November 2019 10:21:58 pm AEDT, Luke Stewart > wrote: >>In case you were not aware, there is a bi-monthly service from the NSW >>government advising when and where new speed limits have been >>introduced >>across the state, allowing us to keep our maxspeeds up to date. >> >>https://www.saferroadsnsw.com.au/emailupdates.aspx >> >>I was considering adding a note to the locations that have been >changed >>each time the email is sent, but would this count as adding >>non-copyrighted >>data, even though it would only request a resurvey? >> >>Interested to hear your thoughts, >>Luke ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] (NSW) Email Update – Changes to permanent speed limits
A relevant paragraph from the terms of use: "The Service is intended for personal use only. You must not use it for business purposes or re-supply the information to others." This seems at odds with the CC 4.0 license which the website itself is under! I suspect you would need to either track down the original data source behind the emails, or you would need to contact Transport for NSW to get permission. Regards, David On 13 November 2019 10:21:58 pm AEDT, Luke Stewart wrote: >In case you were not aware, there is a bi-monthly service from the NSW >government advising when and where new speed limits have been >introduced >across the state, allowing us to keep our maxspeeds up to date. > >https://www.saferroadsnsw.com.au/emailupdates.aspx > >I was considering adding a note to the locations that have been changed >each time the email is sent, but would this count as adding >non-copyrighted >data, even though it would only request a resurvey? > >Interested to hear your thoughts, >Luke ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] (NSW) Email Update – Changes to permanent speed limits
In case you were not aware, there is a bi-monthly service from the NSW government advising when and where new speed limits have been introduced across the state, allowing us to keep our maxspeeds up to date. https://www.saferroadsnsw.com.au/emailupdates.aspx I was considering adding a note to the locations that have been changed each time the email is sent, but would this count as adding non-copyrighted data, even though it would only request a resurvey? Interested to hear your thoughts, Luke ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
