Re: [talk-au] Bridges in the ACT

2010-08-14 Thread John Smith
On 14 August 2010 14:46, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote:
 What would be the best way to get a publically accessable web map of the ACT
 showing
 the OSM data but with the bridges highlighted?

 Also bridges that have not had their bridge_number tagged could be
 highlighted in red
 and those whose number has been tagged could be highlighted in green.

Are you asking about a custom mapnik style sheet?

Why are you using bridge_number=* instead of ref=* or bridge:ref=* ?

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[talk-au] Bridges in the ACT

2010-08-14 Thread Nick Hocking
Are you asking about a custom mapnik style sheet?

Yes


Why are you using bridge_number=* instead of ref=* or bridge:ref=* ?

My understanding is that ref or bridge:ref would be the ref of the road over
the bridge.
These are numbers relating specifically to the bridge structure itself and
therefore
bridge_number would be of a similar nature to the proposed tag bridge_name.
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Re: [talk-au] Bridges in the ACT

2010-08-14 Thread John Smith
On 14 August 2010 17:50, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote:
 Are you asking about a custom mapnik style sheet?

 Yes

Do you plan to host it locally on your own computer, or just want
someone else to do it all?

 Why are you using bridge_number=* instead of ref=* or bridge:ref=* ?

 My understanding is that ref or bridge:ref would be the ref of the road over
 the bridge.
 These are numbers relating specifically to the bridge structure itself and
 therefore
 bridge_number would be of a similar nature to the proposed tag bridge_name.

name=* should be the bridge name, not the road name, which is why you
shouldn't use name=* on roundabouts unless the roundabout actually has
a name.
same with ref=* or at the very least I would do bridge:ref=* since you
are referring to some kind of reference number for that bridge.

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[talk-au] Bridges in the Act

2010-08-14 Thread Nick Hocking
Do you plan to host it locally on your own computer,

I don't plan to host this locally on my own computer.


 or just want someone else to do it all?

Consider my question withdrawn.
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Re: [talk-au] Bridges in the ACT

2010-08-14 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:54 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:

 name=* should be the bridge name, not the road name

Not necessarily, according to the wiki. It seems that this is still ambiguous.

 ... at the very least I would do bridge:ref=* since you
 are referring to some kind of reference number for that bridge.

This sounds right to me. But if you propose bridge:ref=* then you
should probably also use bridge:name=* rather than the already
proposed bridge_name=*.

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Re: [talk-au] Bridges in the ACT

2010-08-14 Thread John Smith
On 14 August 2010 14:46, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote:
 What would be the best way to get a publically accessable web map of the ACT
 showing
 the OSM data but with the bridges highlighted?

I assumed you meant the bridge casing...

http://maps.bigtincan.com/?z=17ll=-35.293,149.128layer=BFFFT

or did you mean something else?

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Re: [talk-au] Bridges in the ACT

2010-08-14 Thread John Smith
On 14 August 2010 18:19, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:
 This sounds right to me. But if you propose bridge:ref=* then you
 should probably also use bridge:name=* rather than the already
 proposed bridge_name=*.

I still think it should be just name=*, after all what's the point of
the road name being rendered when you expect the bridge name to be?

If you want to do name/ref for the way this is when you need to think
about route relations, in which case you only need the bridge to be
tagged with ref=*

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Re: [talk-au] Bridges in the ACT

2010-08-14 Thread James Livingston
On 15/08/2010, at 1:28 AM, John Smith wrote:
 On 14 August 2010 18:19, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:
 This sounds right to me. But if you propose bridge:ref=* then you
 should probably also use bridge:name=* rather than the already
 proposed bridge_name=*.
 
 I still think it should be just name=*, after all what's the point of
 the road name being rendered when you expect the bridge name to be?

The big problem is that you can't tell what the name=* refers to, and what if 
the road and bridge name are both important?

The unambiguous way to do it is to use a bridge relation - you put the name/ref 
on the relation, have the road, cycleway, footway on the bridge be a member 
with a 'across' roles, and the river or other road be a member with the 'under' 
role. Which also lets you say that the road and cycleway are part of the same 
bridge, not two separate ones.


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Bridges_and_Tunnels
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