Hi Sebastian.
I don't think we have permission to use information from
https://transportnsw.info so we would need other sources in order to add this
information in OSM.
However I am not sure that this information is necessary. Over a few years, I
have added some bus stops and bus routes and I think the route number is very
important and stop numbers and names are also helpful but other information not
so important.
Recently I caught a bus on a minor route. The route was formerly operated by
Sydney Buses but now appears to be operated by Hillsbus. It really didn't
matter to me as a commuter - a bus with the right route number came to my stop
and took me to where I wanted.
The NSW Government owns all the routes and now owns all the vehicles. Private
companies (including corporatised government owned organisations) bid for
contracts to operate particular services for specified periods. Periodically
the "operator" (which maintains the vehicles and employs the drivers) may
change. But it is fairly seamless for passengers. In the past, different
operators painted vehicles in their own colours but now the NSW Government
wants all its vehicles the same blue and white colours, so that any differences
will be minimal when a different operator takes over a route. Older buses still
have old colours but I understand that the Government's standard colours will
be used when the vehicles are re-painted. All timetables and information is
issued by Transport for NSW not by individual companies.
Some buses have signs such as "Operated by Sydney Buses for Transport NSW" or
"Operated by Busways for NSW Government". Operators whose names I have seen on
buses include : Sydney Buses, Transdev, Busways, Hillsbus, Westbus but I think
there are others and I am not sure who operates all current services. As a
passenger, it has not really mattered to me and it does not seem to affect
stops, routes, timetables, or the map.
Various names are a bit confusing to me even though I have been a regular user
of public transport. Each new Governemnt sometimes seeks to re-badge something
as if it is new. I think the name "State Transit Authority" refers to the
overarching government office which operates the corporatised government-owned
operators (which I think include Sydney Buses and maybe another operator) and
will probably be sold off eventually to private owners.
As I said at the start, route numbers are really useful. The numbers and names
of stops are also helpful. Otherwise I'm not sure what is correct and I'm not
sure it is necessary for the map.
On Sat, 4 Jul 2020, at 9:33 AM, Sebastian Spiess wrote:
> Hello list,
>
> it's been a while for me to be active, life got in the way :-) I hope
> everyone is sane and safe.
>
>
> Every now and then I add some bus stops around my area. I wanted to add
> operator and network tags as well but am not quite sure.
>
>
> What I found so far was:
>
> network=Sydney Buses
> operator=State Transit Authority, Transit Systems West
> operator=Transport NSW
> network=Sydney Buses Network
> network=TNSW - Sydney Buses
> operator=State Transit Authority
> operator=Sydney Busses
> This is as a result of this query https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/VMz
>
> Now my first point for a source is/was https://transportnsw.info where
> I've learned that NSW is structured in several Regions
> (https://transportnsw.info/regions#/) and Sydney is in the "Sydney and
> surrounds" region (https://transportnsw.info/regions/sydney-surrounds)
>
> This region has a multitude of operators providing different types of
> services. One the operators page (https://transportnsw.info/operators) I
> can filter for Sydney + Bus. In the big list I can find "State Transit"
> (https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/state-transit) and by the images of
> the buses there I guess that most of the stops I'm adding are from that
> operator.
>
> This leads me to believe operator="State Transit" correct. But reading
> on https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/state-transit/about-us I can learn
> that they are an organisation of 3,500 people with approximately 2,900
> bus operators. Which leaves me again puzzled and unsure.
>
> So the tags I currently thing are correct are
>
> operator=Transport for NSW
>
> network=Sydney Buses
>
> but I'm sure there are others that can shed a better light onto this and
> maybe provide some guidance.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Sebastian
>
>
>
>
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