Re: [talk-au] Cycle routes and MTB routes
On 13/02/2013, at 9:15 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > I haven't done it, but I understood the Mawson Trail to be dirt roads > rather than mountain biking, so would be a better candidate for an RCN > tag. I've only seen small bits of the Mawson Trail (while doing walks in the Flinders Ranges a couple of years ago). Of the bits I saw, some parts are on dirt roads, some are on vehicular tracks or fire trails. Mark P. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Cycle routes and MTB routes
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Barker, Nicholas wrote: > As many of you will know we have a few well known long distance (100km+) > cycle routes, some of which cross state boundaries. These routes are also > rugged and designed to be ridden on mountain bikes or hybrids only. A few > examples of these are: > > The Bicentennial (VIC/NSW/QLD) > The goldfields track (VIC) > The Mawson Trail (SA) > The Munda Biddi (WA) Hi Nick, Like John, I can only know one of these well - the Great Dividing Trail (aka "goldfields track"). It's extremely rough, and very little of it could be sensibly ridden by anything less than a mountain bike. So, definitely MTB route only. I'm actually intending to ride (and hence map) the entire thing in a bit less than a month. > As these are extended bicycle routes (albeit for MTBs or tough hybrids) are > of national significance do they constitute a national cycling network and > should they be mapped as such? They would constitute a national mountain biking network, if such a thing existed. But LCN/RCN/NCN are clearly for cycling in the sense of "a practical way of getting from A to B". > Indeed if they do not cross state borders are the only of state significance > and to be mapped as a RCN? That's a harder problem. I don't think crossing state borders is relevant. In the case of walking routes, I think the most nationally significant routes (eg, the Overland, the Lara Pinta...) should be NWN in order to show up prominently on route maps. > If a cycle route is rough enough to be MTB only (an unsurfaced rail trail > for example) does that relegate it from the LCN, RCN or NCN to just being a > MTB route only? Yes. > Should these routes carry two relations, NCN and MTB routes? I think you'd only see that situation where a section of track is part of two distinct routes, like where a mountain bike route temporarily uses a rail trail or something. If a significant section of an MTB route is suitable for normal cycling, it might be worth creating an extra relation - discuss maybe? Could happen on the BNT. The easiest way to think of it is that MTB and cycling are two completely distinct activities. If you can't ride a hybrid with panniers along it, it's not a cycle route. I haven't done it, but I understood the Mawson Trail to be dirt roads rather than mountain biking, so would be a better candidate for an RCN tag. Similarly, I'm pretty sure the Munda Biddi trail is intended for all kinds of cycling. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Cycle routes and MTB routes
On 12/02/13 12:29, Barker, Nicholas wrote: Hi all I’m after a bit of clarification regarding national cycle route and mountain bike route relations in Australia. I've searched the wiki but still have some questions. I hope someone can point me in the right direction. As many of you will know we have a few well known long distance (100km+) cycle routes, some of which cross state boundaries. These routes are also rugged and designed to be ridden on mountain bikes or hybrids only. A few examples of these are: The Bicentennial (VIC/NSW/QLD) The goldfields track (VIC) The Mawson Trail (SA) The Munda Biddi (WA) My Questions… As these are extended bicycle routes (albeit for MTBs or tough hybrids) are of national significance do they constitute a national cycling network and should they be mapped as such? If I can comment on the BNT, I started mapping that a long time ago in my region (with a lot of discussion on this list). I created a relation for it, and believe further mapping should be added to that as the primary relation - http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/176684 Some of what I mapped is now out of date, as urban sprawl has changed the route in places. Redaction damage may not be fully repaired either. The BNT is primarily an equestrian route, with walking and cycling as important activities. All of it is suitable for walking - cycling a little less so in places. John H Indeed if they do not cross state borders are the only of state significance and to be mapped as a RCN? If a cycle route is rough enough to be MTB only (an unsurfaced rail trail for example) does that relegate it from the LCN, RCN or NCN to just being a MTB route only? Should these routes carry two relations, NCN and MTB routes? Can anybody assist? Thanks Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Cycle routes and MTB routes
Hi all
I'm after a bit of clarification regarding national cycle route and mountain
bike route relations in Australia. I've searched the wiki but still have some
questions. I hope someone can point me in the right direction.
As many of you will know we have a few well known long distance (100km+) cycle
routes, some of which cross state boundaries. These routes are also rugged and
designed to be ridden on mountain bikes or hybrids only. A few examples of
these are:
The Bicentennial (VIC/NSW/QLD)
The goldfields track (VIC)
The Mawson Trail (SA)
The Munda Biddi (WA)
My Questions...
As these are extended bicycle routes (albeit for MTBs or tough hybrids) are of
national significance do they constitute a national cycling network and should
they be mapped as such?
Indeed if they do not cross state borders are the only of state significance
and to be mapped as a RCN?
If a cycle route is rough enough to be MTB only (an unsurfaced rail trail for
example) does that relegate it from the LCN, RCN or NCN to just being a MTB
route only?
Should these routes carry two relations, NCN and MTB routes?
Can anybody assist?
Thanks
Nick
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